One Pitcher on Friday

[DOUGHBOYS]

I know that I may be in the minority of substituting one pitcher on Friday's.
I get it.
One more thing that'll take time. Invites streaming, blah blah blah...
Already in this first week, several teams benched Yu Darvish thinking he wouldn't pitch. Now, he will start on Sunday.
A lost start.
Then, with the rain out today, Drew Smyly and Ace Ventura will be skipped this week.

To me, it is worth the time and the of streaming be damned.
I want the power for a Starter to pitch against one team and not another.
I want the power to possibly switch a Starter for a Closer.
I want the power to now take a Smyly or Ventura out of my lineup for the weekend and replace them with Darvish.
It would add just a little bit more control to our game. And add a dimension we are missing.
Like said, I know I'm in the minority, but maybe, just maybe, if I list all the pitchers affected here, some will see that there would be merit in the change.

First Week...
Darvish
Smyly
Ventura
Parnell
N Jones
Janssen
Br Wilson
Henderson
Milone

[ikenbaseball]

Dan,

I agree with your opinion. I like the idea of substituting one pitcher on a Friday.
However, I don't know how we would go about lobbying for this for the 2015.

By the way, you can probably add Jordan Zimmerman to the list of pitchers skipped this week.

Krys

[Roy's Outlaws]

Dan , I agree with One pitcher Friday. I make total sense to me

[Captain Hook]

While I do agree with the baby step of one pitching change on Friday I really think owners should be able to reset both hitting and pitching lineups on Monday and Friday. Before one of the whiners jumps on this I think the term "streaming" is totally misued - streaming really pertains to daily lineups and adding and dropping pitchers on a daily base to maximize the number of starts. Being able to change you pitchers on Friday for the weekend series is just good team management - as Dan said for matchups or changing SP to RP or replacing a DL pitcher or getting one back like Darvish. It is maximizing the contributions of your pitchers just like you would do for your hitters.

And it is a very good way to play rotisserie baseball (as those who played in the two failed contests can tell you)

[Glenneration X]

I like Dan's idea.

[DOUGHBOYS]

Dan,

I agree with your opinion. I like the idea of substituting one pitcher on a Friday.
However, I don't know how we would go about lobbying for this for the 2015.

By the way, you can probably add Jordan Zimmerman to the list of pitchers skipped this week.

Krys

I think if we get enough folks that like the idea here, we can bring it up to Greg before season's end when new rules for 2015 begin being discussed.
I'll use this thread to keep a running count of all the pitchers that were in a lot of lineups that could have been substituted for, and pitchers that catch some off guard (like Darvish) who could have been inserted.

[lrr]

I also like the idea and supported it last year but Smyly owners have to be happy today (at least so far).

[COZ]

I know that I may be in the minority of substituting one pitcher on Friday's.
I get it.
One more thing that'll take time. Invites streaming, blah blah blah...
Already in this first week, several teams benched Yu Darvish thinking he wouldn't pitch. Now, he will start on Sunday.
A lost start.
Then, with the rain out today, Drew Smyly and Ace Ventura will be skipped this week.

To me, it is worth the time and the of streaming be damned.
I want the power for a Starter to pitch against one team and not another.
I want the power to possibly switch a Starter for a Closer.
I want the power to now take a Smyly or Ventura out of my lineup for the weekend and replace them with Darvish.
It would add just a little bit more control to our game. And add a dimension we are missing.
Like said, I know I'm in the minority, but maybe, just maybe, if I list all the pitchers affected here, some will see that there would be merit in the change.

First Week...
Darvish
Smyly
Ventura
Parnell
N Jones
Janssen
Br Wilson
Henderson

Totally support this rule. But if I recall, last September, someone was flip-flopping more than a politician and going around in circles like a dog chasing its tail. In the legal business, we call this impeachment by a prior inconsistent statement:

Re: NFBC Rules Changes For 2014
Postby DOUGHBOYS » Wed Sep 25, 2013 4:32 pm

Ok, totally against the rule now.
(Yes, I was always the last to get a joke, and would laugh two days later.)

Roster moves for the proposed rule change could ONLY be made on Friday.
For those on vacation who might do their hitters early in the week, they could not do their pitcher.
It works for a guy like me who is around a computer a lot and for a lot of folks, but don't think its fair to make it manadatory for everybody to check in every Friday.
(I have got to stop thinking about this stupid rule change )
Next!!!
Just because a person writes a lot, it doesn't make them smart.
Take me, for instance....
DOUGHBOYS

COZ

[DOUGHBOYS]

WRONG!
That proposal was for the one pitcher who hadn't thrown MON-THURS
Like said, that just won't work. There are several drawbacks to it, which I illustrated with more and more thought.
If it is ANY pitcher, we wouldn't have to wait till every Friday to make a move.


One pitcher, ANY pitcher works.

Legal folks also collect all their facts and get them straight before submission, no?

[COZ]

I stand corrected then. Did not have the desire nor necessary time to re-read the entire thread, so I may have neglected to read earlier posts. There were so many twists and turns trying to appease everyone's little desires and minor inconveniences that we lost sight of the value of the rule. And your turning on the rule (or so I thought) helped seal its demise.

I think its a good rule and if there was not so much fear of streaming and gaming of the rules, it would add to the game and allow us to manage match-ups and control our pitching staff. More control, and more decisions, to me, equals more fun. More control to the owner, while limiting streaming, to me, is a great thing. If people are honest with themselves, more control and more decisions scares them because it leads to a greater possibility of a mistake and mismanagement. And really, what is the point of a bench if we cannot use it to replace an injured player? And why do we allow changes for hitters but not pitchers? (and that is rhetorical; i know it is due to streaming of pitchers issues). But it is consistent with the Friday rule for hitters.

I truly hope we can engender the necessary support and not over-think it and over-complicate it. Allow pitching changes on Fridays just the same as hitters. Whether we limit the Friday changes to only one pitcher change or as many as we want, that is the issue to be discussed in my opinion. This year let's try the K.I.S.S. method so we don't confuse the issue here and let the fear-mongers and the too-little-timers defeat a good rule.

COZ

[DOUGHBOYS]

I stand corrected then. Did not have the desire nor necessary time to re-read the entire thread, so I may have neglected to read earlier posts. There were so many twists and turns trying to appease everyone's little desires and minor inconveniences that we lost sight of the value of the rule. And your turning on the rule (or so I thought) helped seal its demise.

I think its a good rule and if there was not so much fear of streaming and gaming of the rules, it would add to the game and allow us to manage match-ups and control our pitching staff. More control, and more decisions, to me, equals more fun. More control to the owner, while limiting streaming, to me, is a great thing. If people are honest with themselves, more control and more decisions scares them because it leads to a greater possibility of a mistake and mismanagement. And really, what is the point of a bench if we cannot use it to replace an injured player? And why do we allow changes for hitters but not pitchers? (and that is rhetorical; i know it is due to streaming of pitchers issues). But it is consistent with the Friday rule for hitters.

I truly hope we can engender the necessary support and not over-think it and over-complicate it. Allow pitching changes on Fridays just the same as hitters. Whether we limit the Friday changes to only one pitcher change or as many as we want, that is the issue to be discussed in my opinion. This year let's try the K.I.S.S. method so we don't confuse the issue here and let the fear-mongers and the too-little-timers defeat a good rule.

COZ

Agreed in full.

I did not go through that thread. I remember pushing for the one pitcher rule and the 'one pitcher who hadn't thrown Mon-Thurs' became a topic and derailed the one pitcher discussion. It mucked up the simplicity of just one pitcher.

I find it amusing that so many folks worry about streaming, yet, we virtually all do it through faab.
One pitcher is a good compromise from no substituting and all out streaming.
To be sure, it is a game changer and not a change to be taken lightly.
At the same time, so were twice a week hitting moves. And now, everybody seems to love that.
Change. Change of any kind is hard for fantasy players.

[Glenneration X]

I agree that it would be an improvement if we could figure something out here.

I think there's a general sense of dread amongst both the management and its constituency beyond the "streaming" concerns and related to the failed DL and end of the season Friday pitching change rules of yore. There's an atmosphere that we tried it, it didn't work, obviously the current system is best. However it isn't. We should have tweaked instead of abandoned the concepts.

The benefits so outweigh the negatives, I hope that something can be worked out.

[COZ]

I think there's a general sense of dread amongst both the management and its constituency beyond the "streaming" concerns and related to the failed DL and end of the season Friday pitching change rules of yore. There's an atmosphere that we tried it, it didn't work, obviously the current system is best. However it isn't. We should have tweaked instead of abandoned the concepts.

Which, unfortunately, is why I don't think it will get enough support for Greg to make the change. Those against it are soooo adamant against it that they threaten not to play, whereas those in support of it will still play. Change is often difficult because people are afraid of the unknown, most especially when there has been a negative experience with it before. It's too bad because I think the pitching rule change would make it a better game. But I understand the other side's opposition to it.

COZ

[DOUGHBOYS]

I was the lead in getting batting lineups changed from weekly to Monday and Friday. With help from KJ and Juprinka, and others we finally convinced Greg that it would better our game.
That process took three years

In my mind, we are only on the second year of trying to introduce the one pitching change concept. When I said that change is hard, it covers the whole realm of the NFBC. Glenn is right that the previous rule changes will make this tougher for some to swallow. Streaming at the end of one season left a bad taste on many players pallets.
It'll be hard to convince these players that the one pitching change is a good concept, sure. But, I think the more they look at it and the more that pitchers get hurt or miss turns during weeks, that they'll realize that it is a better thing for our game.
Our game has to change with the times and in these times some pitchers don't pitch every week.

If we can convince these folks and get a slight majority, Greg was behind the 'pitcher not throwing on Mon-Thurs concept till holes were found that did not make it viable. He is not afraid of being on the cutting edge of change.
He's also heard the 'if making this change, I'll take my ball and go home' threats before. They were made when hitting lineups went from once a week to twice and I don't think anybody really left.
If it benefits the NFBC,Greg is up for change.

[Gekko]

This would add more time to trying to manage lots of DC leagues. From that perspective, I don't like it.

For a main event, I think it could work.

[DOUGHBOYS]

Ha!
I just got a PM from a fella who wonders if I like the NFBC at all with the catterwalling of live scoring and hoping for a pitcher change.
The answer is a resounding..... YES! I LOVE IT!
I would play in the NFBC regardless of any changes or non-changes. I don't even look at the competition and doubt that I will ever enter another high stakes contest.
I know that ROI is important to others. To me, the integrity of the game is much more important.
For me, there is no other place to play than right here in the NFBC.

At the same time, there is nothing wrong with beating the drum in trying to make our game even better, is there?
We play in a wonderful and terrific environment where most folks are as smart in real life as they are running a fantasy team.
They and I know that THIS is the best place to play fantasy baseball. I'd feel that way whether changes are made or not.

[DOUGHBOYS]

This would add more time to trying to manage lots of DC leagues. From that perspective, I don't like it.

For a main event, I think it could work.

It cannot be separated. That won't work.
We know that the separation of rules for different leagues only mucks the process.

We know it'll take a little more time in pitcher consideration. That's a given. Friday lineups had the same arguments against.
The ends of more control for our pitchers justifies the means of time.

[rockitsauce]

Even if I didn't have Yu I'd be FOR this. Guys like Dan & KJ are on the ball, always thinking of ways to improve the game. The NFBC could use more like them.

[DOUGHBOYS]

Thank you, David.

First Week...
Darvish
Smyly
Ventura
Parnell
N Jones
Janssen
Br Wilson
Henderson
Milone

Second Week...
Robertson
Moore (second start)

[DOUGHBOYS]

Off to a blazing start...

First Week...
Darvish
Smyly
Ventura
Parnell
N Jones
Janssen
Br Wilson
Henderson
Milone

Second Week...
Robertson
Uehara
Moore (2nd start)

Third Week...
Tanaka (2nd start)
Hammel (2nd start)
McAllister (2nd start)
An Sanchez (2nd start)
Cliff Lee (2nd start)
David Hale (2nd start)
M Gonzalez (2nd start)
Kimbrel?

[Captain Hook]

This would add more time to trying to manage lots of DC leagues. From that perspective, I don't like it.

For a main event, I think it could work.

No reason to change this in DC leagues ... although seems like a minor deal since you already can change hitting lineups on Friday

[ikenbaseball]

Braves are skipping David Hale because of the rainout....

[DOUGHBOYS]

First Week...
Darvish
Smyly
Ventura
Parnell
N Jones
Janssen
Br Wilson
Henderson
Milone

Second Week...
Robertson
Uehara
Moore (2nd start)

Third Week...
Tanaka (2nd start)
Hammel (2nd start)
McAllister (2nd start)
An Sanchez (2nd start)
Cliff Lee (2nd start)
David Hale (2nd start)
M Gonzalez (2nd start)

Fourth Week...

Sale (Both starts)

[DOUGHBOYS]

Week 5

Trevor Bauer
Jeff Samardzjia

For those that picked Bauer up in faab, good job.
Without the one pitcher start for Friday, you are forced to wait another week for his start.
For those that already had Bauer rostered in 50 round drafts, current rules do not permit the insertion of Bauer since his team played on Monday.

Also added to the list is Jeff Samardzjia who loses his second start due to a postponement.
Samardzjia cannot be taken out of the lineup because his team was scheduled to play last night.
Postponements can have a double whammy effect on fantasy baseball.

[Gekko]

I'm a Bauer owner and am fine with the rules "as is". Again, Implementing this will require more time to set lineups. I can't speak for other owners, but If this rule was implemented, I would reduce the number of teams I buy.