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Those Fun Cubs

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:42 am
by DOUGHBOYS
The Cubs are so much fun.
With an embarrassment of riches, every move they make will be scrutinized. Yesterday, with the signing of John Jay, Cubs Management essentially told their fans that Dexter Fowler would not be re-signed.
For us, that means that Fowler's adp would take a bit of a hit it it were the height of drafting season.
At least until we find out where he DOES end up.

According to fantasy radio analysts and some writers, the Cubs will have Kyle Schwarber and Kris Bryant in left field, Jason Heyward in right field, and a mixture of Albert Almora, Heyward, John Jay, Ben Zobrist, and Javier Baez in center field.
Jorge Soler, meanwhile, is giving them the middle finger.
Soler probably has more promise than Heyward. But the Cubs are in that situation that we are in when we buy an expensive new car and it keeps breaking down.
We don't want to admit it's a lemon, so we give it every chance to produce before giving up.
Heyward is getting every chance even though he was one of the worst players in baseball last year.
Heyward coming to the plate in a big situation was met with the same collective groan at Wrigley Field as girls on 'The Bachelor' if I walked through their door.
If thinking that his defense keeps him in the game, remember where Heyward spent most of the World Series, while teammates were on the field.
Really, Heyward and CC Sabathia could tussle (pleasant vision) over who is, pound for pound, the worst player in baseball, while Bartolo Colon laughs out loud. Not lol, really, laughing out loud.
But this isn't a post to pay tribute to Heyward's large satchel of ineptness.

The Cubs are fun in that Anthony Rizzo, Addison Russell, and Willson Contreras will be their only stable pieces defensively.
And even Contreras and Russell have qualified on fantasy teams at another position in the past.
While a lot of other teams will call on their AAA team to fill a position due to injury, the Cubs just reshuffle their cards.
But, let's get back to center field.
Heyward's only pixie dust is the way he plays right field. In center field, he is just another guy. And at 240 pounds, he becomes more susceptible to injury.
Jay, Zobrist, and Baez could play center field in a pinch, but none of them are every day center fielders.
This gives the Cubs two options.
One is that they can run with Almora, who already is one of the best defensive center fielders in baseball. The problem with that is that for some reason it is tough to blossom offensively as a center fielder.
For every Andrew McCutchen, there are a hundred Juan Lagares'.
Fans say they love good defense in their outfield. So do Managers and execs.
But when it comes right down to it, if a center fielder can't hit, he loses his status as a center fielder and becomes the dreaded... fourth outfielder.

The Cubs second choice is to make a trade. That trade probably would involve the middle finger wielding, Soler.
On previous Cubs teams, Soler would have been the guy who gave Cubs fans hope.
This team doesn't need hope. They want production from any player not named Heyward (I'm such a liar. I said I'd stop).
There just doesn't seem to be a place for Soler on this team.

The fun part is thinking about who comes to the Cubs to play center field and possibly lead off.
And who is more fun than Billy Hamilton?
Hamilton on the bases while pitchers face Bryant, Rizzo, and Schwarber just made you smile. Admit it.
If nothing else, Spring Training drills with Lester on the bump and Hamilton on the bases would, alone, make for must-watch television.
If staying healthy, I believe that Hamilton would re-write all stolen base records in that scenario.
Speed is the only element that is limited in the Cubs lineup. And the entertainment, priceless.

The Cubs could also trade for McCutchen. He could go back to his old leadoff spot.
It may resurrect McCutchen to his days of yore.
Like Heyward (yep, total liar), McCutchen's best stats were more than two years ago.
Putting McCutchen in front of Bryant, Rizzo, and Schwarber would enable him to see a lot of pitches not seen now and take the burden of having to be 'The Man' off his back.

A look at the Cubs best lineup with a Hamilton/McCutchen addition.....

1. Hamilton/McCutchen-CF
2. Bryant-3B
3. Rizzo-1B
4. Schwarber-LF
5. Baez-2B
6. Zobrist- RF
7. Contreras-C
8. Russell-SS
9.Lester-P

That's a heckuva lineup.

Edited- Because I need an Editor

Re: Those Fun Cubs

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:00 am
by headhunters
so how much does your new job at roto- wire pay?

Re: Those Fun Cubs

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:35 am
by DOUGHBOYS
headhunters wrote:so how much does your new job at roto- wire pay?
Ha! If I worked at Roto-Wire, it would go something like this....

BILLY HAMILTON
'According to Mike Diedrich, there is a chance that Billy Hamilton could be traded to the Cubs in exchange for Jorge Soler.
Diedrich is close to the Chicago area and once met Steve Trout, lending credence to the story.
Hamilton would roam center field and wreak havoc on opposing pitchers while they faced the middle of the Cubs batting order'

Re: Those Fun Cubs

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:03 pm
by Edwards Kings
How about the Cubbies relieve their OF glut by bundling a couple to Tampa for Dickerson? Heyward (Comback Player of the Year - 2017) bats leadoff?

I am just having a hard time imagining Schwarber in LF full-time.

Re: Those Fun Cubs

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:09 pm
by DOUGHBOYS
Wayne- Would you like Jason Heyward back in Atlanta at his price?

Re: Those Fun Cubs

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:18 pm
by DOUGHBOYS
By the way....Rick Porcello as 'Comeback Player of the Year' ?

Porcello wallowed in mediocrity for seven years.
What did he come back from?

If mediocre next year, I believe it is THEN that he would deserve the 'Comeback Player of the Year'.
Because he came back to what we were used to.
Right?

Re: Those Fun Cubs

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:46 pm
by DOUGHBOYS
Edwards Kings wrote:How about the Cubbies relieve their OF glut by bundling a couple to Tampa for Dickerson?
Why do the Cubs need/want Dickerson?
He's a platoon hitter with the same defensive qualities as Schwarber.
A lefty hitter like Schwarber, Heyward, and Jay, who cannot play center field.
They can do better.

Re: Those Fun Cubs

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:21 pm
by DOUGHBOYS
And VOILA! Three hours later.....

'Cubs general manager Jed Hoyer indicated Wednesday that the club is unlikely to re-sign Dexter Fowler.
It's not a big surprise, especially after the club signed Jon Jay on Tuesday. "We'd never close the door on Dexter, but we're aware that's something that may not happen for us," said Hoyer. Fowler rejected a qualifying offer from the Cubs and while he had to settle for a one-year deal to return to Chicago last offseason, he should have no problem landing a lucrative multi-year contract this time around. The Blue Jays are among the teams who reportedly have interest. The Cubs appear set to move on with Jay and Albert Almora in center field, but Jason Heyward is also an option if they want to go with Ben Zobrist and Kyle Schwarber in the corner spots.'

They could just come here to get this stuff first!!! :D

Re: Those Fun Cubs

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:25 pm
by Edwards Kings
DOUGHBOYS wrote:Wayne- Would you like Jason Heyward back in Atlanta at his price?
If the question is "Did the Cubs overpay for Heyward?" Yes.

If the question is "Would I (or the Braves) like to see Heyward in right at Suntrust"? Yes again.

Now would I want the Braves to pick up his entire stupid salary (seven more years at between $20M and $22M)? Oh hell no...

Psssst....this could be the year Heyward breaks out! :lol: 8-)

Re: Those Fun Cubs

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:31 pm
by Edwards Kings
DOUGHBOYS wrote:And VOILA! Three hours later.....

'Cubs general manager Jed Hoyer indicated Wednesday that the club is unlikely to re-sign Dexter Fowler.
It's not a big surprise, especially after the club signed Jon Jay on Tuesday. "We'd never close the door on Dexter, but we're aware that's something that may not happen for us," said Hoyer. Fowler rejected a qualifying offer from the Cubs and while he had to settle for a one-year deal to return to Chicago last offseason, he should have no problem landing a lucrative multi-year contract this time around. The Blue Jays are among the teams who reportedly have interest. The Cubs appear set to move on with Jay and Albert Almora in center field, but Jason Heyward is also an option if they want to go with Ben Zobrist and Kyle Schwarber in the corner spots.'

They could just come here to get this stuff first!!! :D

And as you wrote...not one mention of Soler.

Re: Those Fun Cubs

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:35 pm
by NorCalAtlFan
wayne, there are only absolutes in Dan's world, and then the narrative shifts :D

it's moved from dayton moore to votto to heyward. i'm guessing one of the mutt's broken down arms is next. harvey?

Re: Those Fun Cubs

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 3:49 pm
by DOUGHBOYS
NorCalAtlFan wrote:wayne, there are only absolutes in Dan's world, and then the narrative shifts :D

it's moved from dayton moore to votto to heyward. i'm guessing one of the mutt's broken down arms is next. harvey?

Poor Heyward.
It started out so innocently. A friend of mine when on and on about how brilliant Theo Epstein is.
Almost making him incapable of making mistakes.
Polar opposite of me, you might say.
I mentioned Heyward and he defended him by stating his defensive skills.
Ugh.
Relying on 'good glove, bad bat' is like relying on a 'good personality' for a blind date.
So, I asked why he couldn't say that Epstein just may have been mistaken in signing him to that contract.
"Epstein doesn't make mistakes." was his reply.

I personally wish Heyward the best, I really do.
But, he WAS horrible last year. And it DOES look like a bad signing.
With the Cubs winning though, it seems to be hard for some Cubs fans to go against the Godliness of Theo. :D

Oh, and Bryan, injuries are too plentiful and too easy to pick on.
I pick on performance then wait for the sombitch to prove me wrong (again) :D

Re: Those Fun Cubs

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:25 pm
by NorCalAtlFan
fair enough

wayne is in the minority of braves fans who would want heyward back. stand up guy. solid defender. but a guy that still hasn't eclipsed a good dion james year in ops

i'll take jacob heyward at this point

just don't take a run about my boy hoskins dan. then we'd really be at odds :D