Las Vegas NFBC League 6

Kimo · Post by **Kimo** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:52 pm

Originally posted by Wire2Wire:

Spy, I have your team as follows:

Sexson ..32HR..98rbi...0sb....263avg

Freel .. 5....47......30.....270

LaRoche ..14....53......0......285

Boone.....22....76......10.....255

Guzman....6.....55......13.....276

Womack....4.....39......19.....282

Abreu.....24....90......28.....290

Suzuki....9.....75......30.....320

Edmonds...39....108.....4......281

Sosa......31....85......0......254

Berkman...22....83......3......291

Molina....9.....39......0......257

Ausmus....2.....18......2......225

Roberts...4.....30......38.....250

runs total for all starters...953

I have Your starting pitchers at:

82wins...75saves...3.85era...1.26whip and 985k's

I know you are expecting a lot out of Sosa, but his numbers will decline this year. And crashing into walls/age will reduce Edmonds #s as well.Berkman coming back off a torn ACL will be very carefull sb's will be down.Sexson is now in a poor hr pk for righties...so don't pay NO attention to those little dingers in Spring

Roberts...well he is 32...watch that groin & hammy this year!

Team 15 here!! Still in Vegas and plenty to drink with a super hot night at the craps table and with the bookie! So what the hell !!!! Lets Bet!!!!!

I blew i at the draft! I also lost Borowski. But, just to make this season fun...I will wager any owner $100 that my team will beat your team!!!!

Wire2Wire, you or any other owner, I will bet that I will finish ahead of you.

I will be more than happy to send the money to Greg so that he can hold it!

Put up or shut up!

Team 15, who wants a piece of me???

Owner, Jim Ferrari

Wire2Wire and any other owner

Wire2Wire · Post by **Wire2Wire** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:39 pm

Hey Jim, Still in Vegas and I'm feeling your luck on the Crap table. I love Craps!

Now about this wager & your team...

Are you sure about this? I don't want to take advantage of your intoxication.

I'm looking at your team...

Thome(hrs steadily falling the last 3 years)

Doug Mirabelli? Choi? Are you kidding?

I will say I am a big fan of Glaus & A Ramirez will be a stud in this contract year.I think Everett will help your numbers. Eaton will do fine at Petco!

Cameron sb's are nice but his avg. is KILLER! Borowski is already on your DL...

Well hey...if you are of sound mind and body. I am all for that bet. Just let me know

Wire2Wire · Post by **Wire2Wire** » Thu Mar 24, 2005 7:56 pm

Zefurs... Hey guy... you fell @#7 according to my predictions. Anything can happen, look @ Barry and teams that took him with confidence.

Anyways here is my team as requested and I know we are WEAK @ catcher

Huff/Blalock/T.Lee/Figgins/Bobby Crosby/Infante/V.Wells/Rowand/J.Guillen/L.Ford

Bigbie/J.Phillips/T.Hall/J.Rivera

Johan Santana& crew...Maddux/Moyer/J.Vasquez/Wolf/Webb/Urbina

Foulke/Donnelly

on the pine....

Dallas McPherson/J.Encarnacion/WilyMoPena

J. Lopez-seattle.ss

A. Otsuka/W.Alvarez/B.McCarthy

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:26 am

Originally posted by Kimo:

I blew i at the draft! I also lost Borowski. But, just to make this season fun...I will wager any owner $100 that my team will beat your team!!!!

Wire2Wire, you or any other owner, I will bet that I will finish ahead of you.

I will be more than happy to send the money to Greg so that he can hold it!

Put up or shut up!

Team 15, who wants a piece of me???

Owner, Jim Ferrari

Wire2Wire and any other owner Hey Jim, If you're still interested once sober and you get out of Vegas with your bankroll intact - you're on, just say the word - we could settle up at the football draft if I have a big enough lead by then

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:44 am

Originally posted by Wire2Wire:

Zefurs... Hey guy... you fell @#7 according to my predictions. Anything can happen, look @ Barry and teams that took him with confidence.

Anyways here is my team as requested and I know we are WEAK @ catcher

Huff/Blalock/T.Lee/Figgins/Bobby Crosby/Infante/V.Wells/Rowand/J.Guillen/L.Ford

Bigbie/J.Phillips/T.Hall/J.Rivera

Johan Santana& crew...Maddux/Moyer/J.Vasquez/Wolf/Webb/Urbina

Foulke/Donnelly

on the pine....

Dallas McPherson/J.Encarnacion/WilyMoPena

J. Lopez-seattle.ss

A. Otsuka/W.Alvarez/B.McCarthy Ran my numbers W2W; should be good for around 5th place. Good pwr/spd balance, but a little light on R/RBI production. Staff looks OK but one closer costs you there.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:51 am

Originally posted by Kimo:

quote:Originally posted by Wire2Wire:

Spy, I have your team as follows:

Sexson ..32HR..98rbi...0sb....263avg

Freel .. 5....47......30.....270

LaRoche ..14....53......0......285

Boone.....22....76......10.....255

Guzman....6.....55......13.....276

Womack....4.....39......19.....282

Abreu.....24....90......28.....290

Suzuki....9.....75......30.....320

Edmonds...39....108.....4......281

Sosa......31....85......0......254

Berkman...22....83......3......291

Molina....9.....39......0......257

Ausmus....2.....18......2......225

Roberts...4.....30......38.....250

runs total for all starters...953

I have Your starting pitchers at:

82wins...75saves...3.85era...1.26whip and 985k's

I know you are expecting a lot out of Sosa, but his numbers will decline this year. And crashing into walls/age will reduce Edmonds #s as well.Berkman coming back off a torn ACL will be very carefull sb's will be down.Sexson is now in a poor hr pk for righties...so don't pay NO attention to those little dingers in Spring

Roberts...well he is 32...watch that groin & hammy this year!

Team 15 here!! Still in Vegas and plenty to drink with a super hot night at the craps table and with the bookie! So what the hell !!!! Lets Bet!!!!!

I blew i at the draft! I also lost Borowski. But, just to make this season fun...I will wager any owner $100 that my team will beat your team!!!!

Wire2Wire, you or any other owner, I will bet that I will finish ahead of you.

I will be more than happy to send the money to Greg so that he can hold it!

Put up or shut up!

Team 15, who wants a piece of me???

Owner, Jim Ferrari

Wire2Wire and any other owner [/QUOTE]Mimo: I will take the $100 Bet- though your HR power scares me - but that pitching makes me smile, so let's rock and roll for $100!!!!!

Still willing to make it??

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:55 am

Originally posted by Wire2Wire:

Spy, I have your team as follows:

Sexson ..32HR..98rbi...0sb....263avg

Freel .. 5....47......30.....270

LaRoche ..14....53......0......285

Boone.....22....76......10.....255

Guzman....6.....55......13.....276

Womack....4.....39......19.....282

Abreu.....24....90......28.....290

Suzuki....9.....75......30.....320

Edmonds...39....108.....4......281

Sosa......31....85......0......254

Berkman...22....83......3......291

Molina....9.....39......0......257

Ausmus....2.....18......2......225

Roberts...4.....30......38.....250

runs total for all starters...953

I have Your starting pitchers at:

82wins...75saves...3.85era...1.26whip and 985k's

I know you are expecting a lot out of Sosa, but his numbers will decline this year. And crashing into walls/age will reduce Edmonds #s as well.Berkman coming back off a torn ACL will be very carefull sb's will be down.Sexson is now in a poor hr pk for righties...so don't pay NO attention to those little dingers in Spring

Roberts...well he is 32...watch that groin & hammy this year!

Now seriously - EVERY one of my offensive players will do WORSE than they have done in the past?

For example, Suzuki will hit 50 points lower than last year? Sosa will hit LESS HR than he did in 120 games, though he is healthy and wants revenge? Ausmus will hit 2 HR - now I am not saying he is great, but 2???? This basically states that EVERY ONE of my players including LaRoche who hit ~14 HR in only ~300 ab last year has 0 upside. Do you really truly believe that?

Spy

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:21 am

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wire2Wire:

[qb] Spy, I have your team as follows:

Now seriously - EVERY one of my offensive players will do WORSE than they have done in the past?

For example, Suzuki will hit 50 points lower than last year? Sosa will hit LESS HR than he did in 120 games, though he is healthy and wants revenge? Ausmus will hit 2 HR - now I am not saying he is great, but 2???? This basically states that EVERY ONE of my players including LaRoche who hit ~14 HR in only ~300 ab last year has 0 upside. Do you really truly believe that?

Spy Spy, perhaps you could name your team "LaRoche & the Past Their Prime Club" lol, OK I have the day off, I'm bored and still impatiently waiting to see how everyone's team looks. If I don't see the teams soon I'm fairly certain I'll start talking fantasy baseball with my three dogs.

Rototitan · Post by **Rototitan** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:41 am

Kevin,

If you want the rosters for LV #6, I have it in a file. I can e-mail if you want, just not 100% sure if it is all accurate.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:44 am

Originally posted by Rototitan:

Kevin,

If you want the rosters for LV #6, I have it in a file. I can e-mail if you want, just not 100% sure if it is all accurate. definitely, I'll send you a private msg

thx

Rototitan · Post by **Rototitan** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:12 am

So is everyone in this league happy with their roster set-up? i.e. Were there any mistakes?

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:19 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Spyhunter:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wire2Wire:

[qb] Spy, I have your team as follows:

Now seriously - EVERY one of my offensive players will do WORSE than they have done in the past?

For example, Suzuki will hit 50 points lower than last year? Sosa will hit LESS HR than he did in 120 games, though he is healthy and wants revenge? Ausmus will hit 2 HR - now I am not saying he is great, but 2???? This basically states that EVERY ONE of my players including LaRoche who hit ~14 HR in only ~300 ab last year has 0 upside. Do you really truly believe that?

Spy Spy, perhaps you could name your team "LaRoche & the Past Their Prime Club" lol, OK I have the day off, I'm bored and still impatiently waiting to see how everyone's team looks. If I don't see the teams soon I'm fairly certain I'll start talking fantasy baseball with my three dogs. [/QUOTE]I prefer to think of the team as the 'LaRoche and Undervalued Proven Super Studs'

Anyway, I don't have my rosters yets!!!! do you guys?

Rototitan · Post by **Rototitan** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:55 am

Rosters are posted. I count 11 players not listed.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:12 pm

Hey guys, thanks to Rototitan for shooting me the draft earlier today I was able to run a full league analysis on my numbers. If anyone cares ...

A few surprises, to me anyway. The #6 double-punt strategy looks like its gonna work, at least to get them into the legaue money. Forecast bias of course puts me on top, so my #1 rank really doesn't mean much, but for everyone else, an independent appraisal assuming no catastrophic injuries ...

BATTING avg hr sb r rbi

13 Zefurs 0.286 300 153 1187 1147

1 McLloyds 0.284 297 138 1196 1201

6 Connors 0.288 253 157 1190 1115

14 West Coast 0.287 301 105 1209 1107

9 Piggy 0.282 298 142 1260 1055

11 Sutton 0.279 319 71 1229 1168

12 Longood 0.281 306 133 1139 1163

7 Wire to Wire 0.283 292 143 1127 1082

5 Senators 0.283 295 121 1160 1136

4 Shairson 0.278 271 167 1193 1038

3 Cameron 0.280 278 126 1188 1095

2 Sunshine Boys 0.286 251 122 1176 1068

15 Ferrari 0.274 309 126 1130 1076

10 Throop/ Spyhntr 0.280 242 194 1085 957

8 Shiksas 0.281 253 91 1164 1009

PITCHING era whip K W Sv

13 Zefurs 3.66 1.23 1246 97 83

4 Shairson 3.52 1.25 1159 107 70

8 Shiksas 3.63 1.25 1238 110 61

6 Connors 3.17 1.20 444 29 109

9 Piggy 3.85 1.26 1152 98 68

10 Throop/ Spyhntr 3.94 1.26 1155 99 70

7 Wire to Wire 3.58 1.22 1133 90 48

12 Longood 3.86 1.28 1281 109 37

5 Senators 3.76 1.29 1181 96 72

15 Ferrari 3.69 1.28 1070 86 109

1 McLloyds 3.79 1.28 1198 92 45

3 Cameron 3.72 1.29 1108 92 62

2 Sunshine Boys 3.95 1.27 1066 89 83

14 West Coast 3.79 1.29 1142 94 45

11 Sutton 3.95 1.29 1009 97 54

OVERALL PTS

13 Zefurs 117

6 Connors 97

4 Shairson 93

9 Piggy 89

1 McLloyds 87

12 Longood 84

8 Shiksas 79

7 Wire to Wire 78

14 West Coast 77

5 Senators 76

11 Sutton 69

15 Ferrari 68

10 Throop/ Spyhntr 65

3 Cameron 63

2 Sunshine Boys 58

[ March 25, 2005, 08:18 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Rototitan · Post by **Rototitan** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:40 pm

Seems to me, that everyone has their own projections, and their projections show they are the top team or near the top. At least I would hope that each owners projections show this, or you really screwed up your draft. I think in the end, someone's projections will be better than the next, but historically, I have never seen any one publication be right 100% of the time. If it did, then we would all be using that publication.

For what it is worth, team 6 and team 14 deployed similar strategies on the hitting side. I knew who they were going to take for the most part and they anticipated our moves. We only differed in our pitching strategy. They punted 2 categories, and we wanted to try and get points in all categories. We'll see who comes out on top, but based on our projected stats, I have them rated #1 and us #2. At least I know what they will be looking for in FAAB, so maybe a little more gamesmenship is still to be played out here.

Good Luck to all in LV League 6, but best of luck to US

. See you at the winner's circle.

Wire2Wire · Post by **Wire2Wire** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:04 pm

Spy/Zefurs and league 6...

The numbers in my projections for our league are

as SPY has mentioned VERY CONSERVAtIVE.

ALL THE PLAYERS ARE on the conservative side of their 04/3yr actuals. So the good news is we should all see slightly better numbers. This would not change your rankings though

Good Luck to All in lg 6, and we hope to see great competition this year.

Ferrari... Did you take me up on our wager?

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 10:58 am

Well,

Since RT and I are the consensus underdog, I want odds on any bets

It is kind of funny - reading the projects like they were science but that is ok, we don't have any real baseball to keep us busy!

I will put out an open call for side bets - who wants a part of me? Put your $$$ where your mouth is

Spy

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:15 pm

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

Well,

Since RT and I are the consensus underdog, I want odds on any bets

It is kind of funny - reading the projects like they were science but that is ok, we don't have any real baseball to keep us busy!

I will put out an open call for side bets - who wants a part of me? Put your $$$ where your mouth is

Spy I'm up for a side bet Spy ...

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 4:37 am

ok my std. side bet is $100 - I can't afford th $1k I see others doing! what is the bet? better overall finish or better finish in league?

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sun Mar 27, 2005 1:14 pm

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

ok my std. side bet is $100 - I can't afford th $1k I see others doing! what is the bet? better overall finish or better finish in league? Your choice, name it here.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:15 am

How about overall better finish?

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 9:42 am

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

How about overall better finish? you're on

Wire2Wire · Post by **Wire2Wire** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:48 pm

Great to see our league is one of the most active on the board.

Still need confirmation from Ferrari on our $100.00 bet! Are we On? Or did you sober up and realize, Its time for you to start thinking who you like for next years draft

Proud to be in League 6!

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:06 am

I agree KJ, great to have an active league!

Wire to Wire, we need to finish finalizing our details!

Wire2Wire · Post by **Wire2Wire** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:45 am

Spy, Lets do best in league for $100.00

... agreed?

Rob