Rule Changes For 2006 NFBC

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 2:21 pm

I didn't read most of the posts here. But this is what I would do. If it goes to twice a week I can't play again. Its not that its a bad idea I just don't have the time. I'm not going to play if I can't even try to compete. I'm sure many are in the same boat.

viper · Post by **viper** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 3:11 pm

I favor twice-weekly moves but ...

reading all the posts here reminds me that sometimes the most prudent action is to do nothing at all.

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 1:47 am

I think replacing DL'd players at any stage during the week will accomodate both sides of the argument because like someone said, "you'd know if your guy was on the DL". I don't think such a decision would require that much more time of managers or make someone less competitive. As for having to spend more research, well that's "bullix" as most managers already know the facts based on their Monday roster research and decisions and the fact that many websites have already done the research for you. If anything, I think it would have improved many managers chances this year. Most leaders have been fortunate, as is always the case, to avoid major injuries. It's us middle class folk (good managers with unfortunate injuries) that have suffered most.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:41 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

I didn't read most of the posts here. But this is what I would do. If it goes to twice a week I can't play again. Its not that its a bad idea I just don't have the time. I'm not going to play if I can't even try to compete. I'm sure many are in the same boat. This isn't a proposal for twice a week moves, John. This is a proposal to help owners whose players officially go on the DL on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday. If that happens, then this new rule would allow you to put a player from your reserve roster (if you had one that qualified at that position) into your starting lineup for the weekend games. It's just a safety net to allow owners who get players on the DL early in the week a chance to still get some production later in the week.

Honestly, we've learned more through this thread than we've accomplished, but that's okay:

1) We learned with 300 owners (and more in the future) that setting starting lineups once a week is probably the way to go. I've had many requests for twice-weekly moves and apparently that won't fly with this large of a group.

2) We learned that nobody wants a system that allows streaming in pitchers easily. That was never the intention anyway, but it's good to know.

3) We learned that everyone is frustrated when teams DL a player late Monday night without anyone knowing that injury was serious enough for the DL. So what I'm trying to do is allow a late week move to replace that player if you have someone on your reserve roster that qualifies at that same position. We'd use the official DL list for this, even though it's tough. This might only help your team once or twice during the year, but anything to take out the luck factor is a move in the right direction (in my opinion, at least).

So that's what this whole thread is about. We won't move any farther than this. No Quality Start points. No streaming pitchers. No twice-weekly starting lineups. We'll crawl before we walk with any changes for 2006.

Now are we all okay with this?

Now about Tampa.....we're close to adding this!

Bags · Post by **Bags** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:43 am

Rule 1: Good.

Rule 2: Good.

Rule 3: Bad.

Also, additional prize money should first go to making 2nd in the league receive double the entry fee ($2500) and 3rd in the league getting your money back ($1250).

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:04 am

Greg, I disagree with it taking some of the luck factor out of it. You lose a picther on Friday after the deadline that was to start Saturday thats still bad luck. There will always be a luck factor involved. What this rule change does is rewards those that have access to a computer before the DL deadline and handicaps those who don't. Many have to travel over a weekend. Expecting everyone to be able to do moves twice a week for half a year isn't right. But I'll live with the DL if it goes to that. After all I might get lucky.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:11 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

We'll crawl before we walk with any changes for 2006.

Now are we all okay with this?

Greg, what is the argument against allowing a DL move at ANY time, not just Friday?

Impact of player hurt on:

Anytime DL ... Friday DL

Mon +6 ... +3

Tue +5 ... +3

Wed +4 ... +3

Thu +3 ... +3

Fri +2 ... +0

Sat +1 ... +0

Sun +0 ... +0

TOTAL +21 .. +12

Assuming an equal probability of getting hurt anyday of the week, expected days recovered due to injury improves from 12 days to 21 days - 75% increase. Of course, if STATS can't do it, thats another story.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:21 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

Greg, I disagree with it taking some of the luck factor out of it. You lose a picther on Friday after the deadline that was to start Saturday thats still bad luck. There will always be a luck factor involved. What this rule change does is rewards those that have access to a computer before the DL deadline and handicaps those who don't. Many have to travel over a weekend. Expecting everyone to be able to do moves twice a week for half a year isn't right. But I'll live with the DL if it goes to that. After all I might get lucky. Yes, if your pitcher misses a start on Saturday because he got hurt during Friday's batting practice, that's bad luck. No argument there.

As for sitting at your computer, that's not the goal here. You could change 1 or 2 players from your starting lineup on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday if you know they are definitely on the DL. My concern is guys who land on the DL Tuesday morning from a previous injury. I agree, this doesn't happen all the time, but allowing just DL'd players to be moved out just prevents some week-long 0-fers.

Like learning FAAB for the first time, this will hurt a little at first and then seem like no big deal. Or maybe I'm wrong.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:24 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

We'll crawl before we walk with any changes for 2006.

Now are we all okay with this?

Greg, what is the argument against allowing a DL move at ANY time, not just Friday?

Impact of player hurt on:

Anytime DL ... Friday DL

Mon +6 ... +3

Tue +5 ... +3

Wed +4 ... +3

Thu +3 ... +3

Fri +2 ... +0

Sat +1 ... +0

Sun +0 ... +0

TOTAL +21 .. +12

Assuming an equal probability of getting hurt anyday of the week, expected days recovered due to injury improves from 12 days to 21 days - 75% increase. Of course, if STATS can't do it, thats another story. [/QUOTE]Well, you already have a chance to change your lineup on Monday, so factor that +6 out. I think you've already heard from some owners who don't want to sit in front of their computer each day to make moves, so having the option to DL a player each day would make some people feel like they missed a few days' worth of stats because they were at their real job. Your analysis makes sense for some, but for the majority I could see where many owners would be against it because of time constraints.

As I said above, we must crawl before we walk. And I definitely am listening to the majority's voice here.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:12 am

Honestly, Greg, I think the opposite is true. You hear a guy goes on the DL, you login and make a change. Not having a deadline means you don't have a deadline to miss.

Any of the "I don't sit in front of the computer all the time" guys want to chime in on this?

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:17 am

Well, you already have a chance to change your lineup on Monday, so factor that +6 out.

If a guy gets hurt during Monday's game ... you insert a replacement for Tue, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat, Sun .... +6.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:35 am

KJ, So you put in your lineup Sunday because you'll be out of town all week. Your guy gets hurt Monday and you don't know because your on the road and ESPN doesn't report it. Well if its Bonds they do. So you get home Saturday and its too late to do anything about it. But several other leagues had the chance to change it. Bad owner or bad luck? In a perfect world we all get the chance to check every day and make moves. But its not a perfect world and if you try and base it around fantasy sports your going to end up with maybe 50 owners.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:48 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

KJ, So you put in your lineup Sunday because you'll be out of town all week. Your guy gets hurt Monday and you don't know because your on the road and ESPN doesn't report it. Well if its Bonds they do. So you get home Saturday and its too late to do anything about it. But several other leagues had the chance to change it. Bad owner or bad luck? In a perfect world we all get the chance to check every day and make moves. But its not a perfect world and if you try and base it around fantasy sports your going to end up with maybe 50 owners. What's your point Walla? If you're out of town all week, how is a Friday morning deadline to replace a DL guy any different than the option to replace him at anytime once he hits the DL? The only difference is that if you get back Friday night after the deadline, you'd still have a shot at getting a replacement in for Sat and Sun = advantage to guy who was on vacation.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:03 am

If he gets home after the deadline???

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:09 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

If he gets home after the deadline??? The only debate here John is when (not if) you can you replace a guy thats goes on the DL.

If you get home saturday night, under an anytime replacement rule, you could still get your guy in for Sunday. Under the Friday deadline rule, too bad you missed it.

My argument is that if we're gonna have the option for a DL replacement (which now seems 100% certain), it would be preferable to not have a hard deadline which requires people to be home at a certain time.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:16 am

My point is if it ain't broke don't fix it. Trying to fix the luck factor is a lost cause.

Lady luck will get her way no matter what you do.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:30 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

My point is if it ain't broke don't fix it. Trying to fix the luck factor is a lost cause.

Lady luck will get her way no matter what you do. But Greg has already said he's fixing it, its only a matter of how he fixes it.

And BTW, "it ain't broke don't fix it" is the downfall of many businesses. We're in a change-oriented world, and if you don't fix it before its broken somebody will be there to take the business away from you.

la Jolla · Post by **la Jolla** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:37 am

i like your point kj duke, makes the most sense to me thus far...if stats can put a notation next to any player on anyones team that is currently on the d.l.....all it would take for us as players would be to log on and if we see a starter that is d.l.'d....replace him with a bench guy...that would take all of 1 minute to do.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 7:52 am

If stats could do it? Are you kidding me??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:14 am

If in fact its a done deal I'll go ahead and cancel now. I get the feeling the inmates have overrun the place. See Ya!

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:14 am

I think Walla Walla made a good point about someone being able to get to a computer to make the necessary changes, for a hard 'one time' deadline (ie Friday). I think any day of the week as long as the person is officially DL'd at least gives someone more than one chance in the week to right the ship.

I'm someone whom has had daily access to a computer at home and work, but I must admit there are times throught the year when you get stuck without that access (ie vacation, travel, etc.).

la Jolla · Post by **la Jolla** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:24 am

walla, why must you constantly threaten to quit if greg does anything you disagree with, ever...grow up already...how hard will it be to take 1 minute on friday morning and see if any of your players have been put on the d.l....i've seen sites that already put the d.l. sign next to any players that are on it...yahoo is one i believe...what makes you think stats can't provide that or at least an official list of any players on the d.l.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:39 am

lajolla, Why do you think I must pay for something if I don't like it? If Greg decides to put rules out for his contest and I don't like them do I have to pay? Well no and if others like those rules they can. Its not that big a deal lajolla. This is for feed back. I wish Greg the best of luck in his contests and Greg knows I'm pulling for him. But if I decide not to play because of a rule you shouldn't get your panties in a knot.

la Jolla · Post by **la Jolla** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:51 am

trust me, i don't take anything on these boards seriously enough to get my panties in a knot walla....all i'm saying is each time a discussion comes up on these boards and you favor one side, you throw out the phrase "i won't play anymore" if greg does anything opposite of what you want. if you feel strongly about something , you certainly have the right not to pay, but let's be honest...if you cannot devote 1 minute each friday morning to check on injured players in your line-up then you probably shouldn't play at these stakes anyway....i personally do not care how many rules greg changes, i love the contests and will play regardless....

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:00 am

lajolla, The whole point I was making was that many might not be able to do that on a Friday.

It comes down to if you don't think those of us shouldn't be in the contest because we can't meet your deadline than we shouldn't be playing than your right. Than you can have your 50 owners playing for 10,000. Thats life.