Boston Marathon Attack

[Chthroop]

Caught! So glad for RSN and everyone else in Boston. Congrats to all our police etc. who brought this guy down. Everyone can sleep a bit easier!!!

[MadCow Sez]

Nearly 90% of Americans want expanded background checks (and what nut job doesn't ? perhaps the type of person who would set off a bomb or shoot up a school), yet these elected officials grabbed their ankles for the NRA.

Next time we are able to meet face to face, I would like to have several cold beers with you (my treat) so that I can properly introduce you to a nutjob who does not want to sacrifice his Constitutional rights on a piece of legislation targeted at CONTROL and not at solving the problem, which is, as I see it, the proliferation of violence in the United States. I do not want to turn this string into a shit storm of pro- versus con-gun control, but please consider the negative impact of other poorly considered legislation in this area.

You and I are on the same page. We want this country of ours to be safer. We just differ I think on identifying the right issue to attack.

Thanks for stating this much more diplomatically than I would have, Wayne.

[MadCow Sez]

2014. The MadCow will run the Boston Marathon...mark it down

[rockitsauce]

Nearly 90% of Americans want expanded background checks (and what nut job doesn't ? perhaps the type of person who would set off a bomb or shoot up a school), yet these elected officials grabbed their ankles for the NRA.

Next time we are able to meet face to face, I would like to have several cold beers with you (my treat) so that I can properly introduce you to a nutjob who does not want to sacrifice his Constitutional rights on a piece of legislation targeted at CONTROL and not at solving the problem, which is, as I see it, the proliferation of violence in the United States. I do not want to turn this string into a shit storm of pro- versus con-gun control, but please consider the negative impact of other poorly considered legislation in this area.

You and I are on the same page. We want this country of ours to be safer. We just differ I think on identifying the right issue to attack.

I agree in that I didn't mean to turn this into a pro vs con gun control debate. It just seemed like an asinine comment to say this was "a terrorist attack on his watch" w/ regard to Pres. Obama. Nobody could've known 2 pyschos were planning to do something like that (unlike 9/11 when Bush admin. was warned that al-qaeda was determined to attack us).

I am just disgusted w/ all of these shootings. Pres. Obama is trying to make us safer. You call it controlling, I call it common sense. I just don't get why it's such a sacrifice to submit to a background check before you buy something as deadly as a gun.

Here in the great state of AZ a person does not need a license to carry a concealed weapon....but we can't participate in fantasy sports. Seems reasonable

[BK METS]

Nearly 90% of Americans want expanded background checks (and what nut job doesn't ? perhaps the type of person who would set off a bomb or shoot up a school), yet these elected officials grabbed their ankles for the NRA.

Next time we are able to meet face to face, I would like to have several cold beers with you (my treat) so that I can properly introduce you to a nutjob who does not want to sacrifice his Constitutional rights on a piece of legislation targeted at CONTROL and not at solving the problem, which is, as I see it, the proliferation of violence in the United States. I do not want to turn this string into a shit storm of pro- versus con-gun control, but please consider the negative impact of other poorly considered legislation in this area.

You and I are on the same page. We want this country of ours to be safer. We just differ I think on identifying the right issue to attack.

I agree in that I didn't mean to turn this into a pro vs con gun control debate. It just seemed like an asinine comment to say this was "a terrorist attack on his watch" w/ regard to Pres. Obama. Nobody could've known 2 pyschos were planning to do something like that (unlike 9/11 when Bush admin. was warned that al-qaeda was determined to attack us).

I am just disgusted w/ all of these shootings. Pres. Obama is trying to make us safer. You call it controlling, I call it common sense. I just don't get why it's such a sacrifice to submit to a background check before you buy something as deadly as a gun.

Here in the great state of AZ a person does not need a license to carry a concealed weapon....but we can't participate in fantasy sports. Seems reasonable

It says, on the internet, that every terrorist attack was staged by the government.. and if it says it on the internet, it must be true.

[Edwards Kings]

It just seemed like an asinine comment to say this was "a terrorist attack on his watch" w/ regard to Pres. Obama. Nobody could've known 2 pyschos were planning to do something like that (unlike 9/11 when Bush admin. was warned that al-qaeda was determined to attack us).

So as not to sully this thread, when I get a chance tomorrow, I will open a new thread in the non-fantasy section where perhaps we can have an open and honest discourse (always a good thing) on the topic of gun control.

I personally do not blame President Obama. Nor did I blame President Bush. We are a free society which means we are vulnerable to those who view this hard-won freedom as a weakness. And I will not stand by and sacrifice personal freedom for some fallacy that, if we relinquish our rights to the government, we will somehow be safer.

And be careful. You should try walking down the middle of the road (i.e. neither too far left nor too far right). You state the Bush administration was warned that al-qaeda "was determined to attack us." Friend, someone has been determined to attack us ever since we became the big dog. There is always a threat.

And remember, the 9/11 bombers arrived in the US beginning in January 2000 and began their flight training in the summer of the same year, before we even knew who the new President would be (it was a tight race if you will remember). According to James Bamford, the NSA had picked up communications of al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi (two of the terrorists) back in 1999, but had been hampered by internal bureaucratic conflicts between itself and the CIA, and did not do a full analysis of the information it passed on to the agency. Bamford also claims that the CIA's Alec Station (a unit assigned to bin Laden) knew that al-Mihdhar was planning to come to New York as far back as January 2000. In short, the terrorist arrived and were trained in this country on President Clinton's and Vice-President Gore's watch (whom I do not blame), not President Bush's.

It may be wrong to blame President Obama, but you cannot correct it by making other erroneous statements.

[BK METS]

It just seemed like an asinine comment to say this was "a terrorist attack on his watch" w/ regard to Pres. Obama. Nobody could've known 2 pyschos were planning to do something like that (unlike 9/11 when Bush admin. was warned that al-qaeda was determined to attack us).

So as not to sully this thread, when I get a chance tomorrow, I will open a new thread in the non-fantasy section where perhaps we can have an open and honest discourse (always a good thing) on the topic of gun control.

I personally do not blame President Obama. Nor did I blame President Bush. We are a free society which means we are vulnerable to those who view this hard-won freedom as a weakness. And I will not stand by and sacrifice personal freedom for some fallacy that, if we relinquish our rights to the government, we will somehow be safer.

And be careful. You should try walking down the middle of the road (i.e. neither too far left nor too far right). You state the Bush administration was warned that al-qaeda "was determined to attack us." Friend, someone has been determined to attack us ever since we became the big dog. There is always a threat.

And remember, the 9/11 bombers arrived in the US beginning in January 2000 and began their flight training in the summer of the same year, before we even knew who the new President would be (it was a tight race if you will remember). According to James Bamford, the NSA had picked up communications of al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi (two of the terrorists) back in 1999, but had been hampered by internal bureaucratic conflicts between itself and the CIA, and did not do a full analysis of the information it passed on to the agency. Bamford also claims that the CIA's Alec Station (a unit assigned to bin Laden) knew that al-Mihdhar was planning to come to New York as far back as January 2000. In short, the terrorist arrived and were trained in this country on President Clinton's and Vice-President Gore's watch (whom I do not blame), not President Bush's.

It may be wrong to blame President Obama, but you cannot correct it by making other erroneous statements.

Truth be told, anyone who blames the president for anything, really is not in touch with reality. Sure, there are specific policies that a president may lobby for, but in the end, no one is specifically to blame for attacks on our country or mass killings, other than the person or parties that are behind the attacks. Once we start blaming the president or in such case as the Newtown tragedy, blaming the NRA (a background check would not have prevented this tragedy), this is when we need to take a step back and realize that there are crazy people in this world who kill, just because.... and no one is going to stop a killer from killing including electing a republican or democrat as our president, congressman, or governor. And coming from someone who could care less about guns or gun control, there is nothing or no one that is going to prevent a criminal from getting a gun, if he/she wants one... legal or not. Would love to continue this debate in the non-fantasy section.