Jose Fernandez Expected to Go on DL; MRI Scheduled

[lrr]

Fantasy baseball isn't about luck. It's about managing around injuries. I replaced Jose Fernandez with Cesar Ramos.

[Outlaw]

Right.
The predictability comes in knowing why AFTER the fact.

Apples and Oranges, the main point its a Big problem and getting worse with no end in sight.

All the kids hitting the pros now are the products of the PED's and Travel ball era, which started right around 2000-2002. Like anything, if and when they implement meaningful change, philosophies, proper health and conditioning programs, coaches and programs understand all the medical risks and the medical data, it will take 10 years to cycle all the damaged arms out. As for fantasy, we'll just throw darts or Try to understand and avoid some of the highly susceptible pitchers. I'll say it again, 15 years ago HS kids never threw 90, and it was like that for the preceding 100 years, now they all do.

[Hells Satans]

You can just not take pitchers in the first two rounds.

[Outlaw]

Jose had a 2nd MRI, and its Bad news, and hate to say it after the fact, but, HE REALLY GONE now... Who will have the balls to drop him this Coming FAAB, if everyone is in a holding pattern, waiting for the Obligatory 'lets try the rest" thing.

[Outlaw]

Dallas Morning News reports that an MRI on Martin Perez's "revealed no hard evidence of a tear to the ulnar collateral ligament."
Good to hear. Grant does note that Perez has "significant inflammation in the area" and is undergoing further tests on the elbow. He'll miss one start, but the Rangers have yet to place him on the disabled list. It's certainly good news overall, but you have to figure they'll ultimately play it safely and shut down Perez for a bit even if he does just have inflammation.

Just soft evidence i guess ...lol this is hilarious...lol.... when's the announcement come that he hes having surgery?

[TParsons]

Ok Mike, pick three pitchers that will have Tommy John this year.
It's predictable, right?

I could give you 10 without even looking, the only question, as I said is when.. 4 weeks ago I when I was looking at data and actually put a list together, and I know it's after the fact, but Fernandez was high on the list of pitchers who probably would have an arm injury. But I'm not going to name anyone, lets just say I'll avoid most of them next year. Just check the PRO innings of the last 50 pitchers to have surgery, almost all of them within a range of IP. Another tell tale piece of Data is velocity, the higher it is at young ages, the higher the odds surgery is on the Horizon. Someone like Rosenthal could last 5 years, because he wont hit the innings range until then.

You mean like your buddy that can look at a player and tell you if he's using PEDs? Or the players that use PEDs in the offseason whose bodies scream "where did my roids go" in season?

[Yellow Ledbetters]

Thank God I do not own him in any leagues....
Finally a bad injury that doesn't impact me. About time.

[EWeaver]

You can just not take pitchers in the first two rounds.

I went braun/bruce

oops

i mean, beltre/kipnis

oops

i mean davis/reyes

just kidding. i went kershaw/jose

[Captain Hook]

Jose Fernandez is/was the #1 SP on one of my teams - I didn't DL him today because that site won't list him on the DL until after officially placed there and later in the week if Anibal is going to pitch I can switch them (notthatyougivearatsaboutthat)

But he will joining
Tanner Scheppers
Russell Martin
Mark Trumbo
Anibal Sanchez
Adam Eaton
Hyun-Jin Ryu

on my disabled list - yes there is one thank god
four man bench and unlimited DL slots

At least the pain is somewhat lessened with that system

[Sebadiah23]

Thank God I do not own him in any leagues....
Finally a bad injury that doesn't impact me. About time.

[Outlaw]

Marlins source is saying TJ surgery for Fernandez..... Andrew Heaney on deck?

[DOUGHBOYS]

Fantasy baseball isn't about luck. It's about managing around injuries. I replaced Jose Fernandez with Cesar Ramos.

OUCH.

[Rainiers]

Everybody has a reason after the fact. The truth is we don't know who will be the next Tommy John victim.
We can use velocity, age, innings, but the truth is that we don't know till it happens.

If Felix Hernandez receives bad news this week, the no strike out game will be used as a precursor.
For Darvish, it'll be the stress and pitches in trying to get a 'no-hitter'.
Nobody knows till it happens, then, everybody knows why.

Read the "Reward vs Risk: Who's to Blame?" thread started by Greg a while back.

Steve Stone, and by extension, Coz, nailed this. Before the fact.

Stone's thoughts on injury risk and violent sliders may have some validity.

[Rainiers]

At least it is not the coded diagnosis of doom, the dreaded "strained forearm".

Sorry guys...that just sucks...what is that...the equivalent of one full season in the majors and already on the DL.

MLB has data from their new injury tracking system that is saying all these young hard throwing pitchers, if they are going down with an injury, its at between 250-550 professional innings pitched. If they make it past that, the arm surgeries go way down from that point on. Fernandez was right at 350 IP's in the pros.

MLB TV has a injury panel discussion that aired yesterday with doctors, Smoltz, Costas, Jim Kaat all discussing the high amount of arm injuries with young pitchers. The doctors can almost predict now who will need surgery. Approx 50% of all pitchers in the majors currently have had some sort of Arm surgery. 20 years ago, it was 15%. The next big one who could down based on a variety of factors is Kershaw... His mechanics alone spell doom for him. If you have a son, who's a pitcher, he needs to play catch 10 more times than he throws from a mound. Playing catch is a lost art among kids and pros.

They re re-running the show a couple of times over the next few weeks.

Do you know the name of the show? I'd like to record it.

Is the injury panel where you got the info about 250-550 ip? Or do you have another source of information?

Thanks in advance...

[DOUGHBOYS]

Everybody has a reason after the fact. The truth is we don't know who will be the next Tommy John victim.
We can use velocity, age, innings, but the truth is that we don't know till it happens.

If Felix Hernandez receives bad news this week, the no strike out game will be used as a precursor.
For Darvish, it'll be the stress and pitches in trying to get a 'no-hitter'.
Nobody knows till it happens, then, everybody knows why.

Read the "Reward vs Risk: Who's to Blame?" thread started by Greg a while back.

Steve Stone, and by extension, Coz, nailed this. Before the fact.

Stone's thoughts on injury risk and violent sliders may have some validity.

Did Sano have a nasty slider?
Has somebody mentioned Matt Wieters being high on their list of possible Tommy John's?

I do think there is merit that pitchers throw harder than ever before and that the ulnar cannot handle the overload.
I also think there is merit in the thought that old timers accidentally got it right. They threw everyday during baseball season and hardly picked up a baseball during the off season.
Accidentally, they built up the ligament, then rested it over a prolonged time.

We can throw out the usual suspects like Kimbrel, Chapman, Salazar, Ventura, and say they'll be next. In truth, we'd only be guessing.
I am becoming weary of those who say they 'knew' that Fernandez, Nova, Harvey, blah, blah would undergo the procedure.
For that, I apologize.

[DOUGHBOYS]

The name of the show is 'MLB Network Roundtable'. There is a showing at 9 a.m., pst today.

[BK METS]

Right.
The predictability comes in knowing why AFTER the fact.
I ask for three.You have 10. None are given until afterwards.

I agree with Dan. You have 10 names and would rather not list them, then you say "I told you so" after the fact. What would be the reason to hold back names? Its not like, if you name them, we are all going to drop them from our teams... If you named Jose, when you said you knew, do you think one person would have dropped him or not played him?... same goes with anyone else.

[Gekko]

If it were easy enough for common folk like us to "predict" which pitchers will undergo TJS, then MLB teams would HAVE to know and would be trying to trade these pitchers BEFORE it happened.

The truth of the matter is that no one knows, which is why u don't see teams unloading these types of players

I wonder why kershaw and bumgarner haven't broken down. And why sano, medlen, and gavin floyd have

[Gekko]

If anyone thinks they can predict pitcher injuries, I'm sure you've been to Vegas and bet the under for wins for a specific pitcher. You easily made a pile load of money, right?

How many of u have done that?

That's what I thought. LOL

[Outlaw]

Right.
The predictability comes in knowing why AFTER the fact.
I ask for three.You have 10. None are given until afterwards.

I agree with Dan. You have 10 names and would rather not list them, then you say "I told you so" after the fact. What would be the reason to hold back names? Its not like, if you name them, we are all going to drop them from our teams... If you named Jose, when you said you knew, do you think one person would have dropped him or not played him?... same goes with anyone else.

All I said was Fernandez was high on a list of mine I developed based on research I did a month ago. I cannot predict any injury. Neither can anyone. All that can be done is looking at the possible reasons and "who might" or has a risk of injury, based on all sorts of new data that has been coming out the past few years. The same data also shows what pitchers have a much less risk of injury. Russell, a few weeks ago predicted a possible coming injury for Fernandez and he was right based on one of the risk factors. I'm not hoping for any player to get injured and I'm not publically predicting who I think could get injured, let alone doing so opens anyone up for all sorts of ridicule. The bottom line, for MLB organizations, MLB itself and fantasy all these injuries have taken on a different aspect and the reasons and causes are trying to be understood by everyone who has an interest, be it the MLB teams or fantasy players. Fresh new data exists as to possible reasons and "who" the higher risk players may be, especially pitchers. In Fantasy, being able to stay away from injuries in the coming years will increase any fantasy player’s chance of having a decent team. Identifying payers as Being injury prone is one fantasy strategy that Drafters employ, but it is only one thing, but until an injury happens, a player is not injury prone and how does one go about figuring what players might develop a season ending injury? All I'm saying is it is becoming somewhat more predictable. Why would I give anyone 10 pitchers names that I think may risk injury, whether it’s this year, next year year or the year after? There’s plenty of data for everyone to look at and develop their own lists.

[Outlaw]

If anyone thinks they can predict pitcher injuries, I'm sure you've been to Vegas and bet the under for wins for a specific pitcher. You easily made a pile load of money, right?

How many of u have done that?

That's what I thought. LOL

I'm guessing you had Fernandez on some teams, it sucks he's gone... but as everyone else says, its part of the game and in season roster mangment should allow you to fix those teams.

[Gekko]

If anyone thinks they can predict pitcher injuries, I'm sure you've been to Vegas and bet the under for wins for a specific pitcher. You easily made a pile load of money, right?

How many of u have done that?

That's what I thought. LOL

I'm guessing you had Fernandez on some teams, it sucks he's gone... but as everyone else says, its part of the game and in season roster mangment should allow you to fix those teams.

Your response has nothing to do with my post u responded to. Not a surprise.

[Yellow Ledbetters]

Hey guys...calm down. He will be back next year.

[Gekko]

Did Sano have a nasty slider?
Has somebody mentioned Matt Wieters being high on their list of possible Tommy John's?

Dan - I hope u aren't expecting someone to provide a reasonable answer to this! LOL

[Outlaw]

At least it is not the coded diagnosis of doom, the dreaded "strained forearm".

Sorry guys...that just sucks...what is that...the equivalent of one full season in the majors and already on the DL.

MLB has data from their new injury tracking system that is saying all these young hard throwing pitchers, if they are going down with an injury, its at between 250-550 professional innings pitched. If they make it past that, the arm surgeries go way down from that point on. Fernandez was right at 350 IP's in the pros.

MLB TV has a injury panel discussion that aired yesterday with doctors, Smoltz, Costas, Jim Kaat all discussing the high amount of arm injuries with young pitchers. The doctors can almost predict now who will need surgery. Approx 50% of all pitchers in the majors currently have had some sort of Arm surgery. 20 years ago, it was 15%. The next big one who could down based on a variety of factors is Kershaw... His mechanics alone spell doom for him. If you have a son, who's a pitcher, he needs to play catch 10 more times than he throws from a mound. Playing catch is a lost art among kids and pros.

They re re-running the show a couple of times over the next few weeks.

Do you know the name of the show? I'd like to record it.

Is the injury panel where you got the info about 250-550 ip? Or do you have another source of information?

Thanks in advance...

I got that from my own research.