Greg,
Can you post here how lifetime rankings are calculated for the NFBC?
My "average lifetime rank" after three years is lower than I have ranked in any single year. That is a statistical impossibility.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Greg,
Can you post here how lifetime rankings are calculated for the NFBC?
My "average lifetime rank" after three years is lower than I have ranked in any single year. That is a statistical impossibility. I am going to get STATS to redo these before Opening Day. Right now the hitting and pitching points shouldn't factor into the Lifetime Standings as I asked STATS to calculate your standings based on your overall finish each year. We are using 300 as a base factor. So wherever you finished in 2004 among the 195 teams you then multiply by 1.54. In 2005, we had 300 teams, so no matter where you finished that is your total. Then in 2006 we had 330 teams, so where you finished you multiply by 0.91. By adding those totals together it should give you a rank total.
STATS then lists EVERY player (including co-managers) in order to give us a Lifetime Standing. So it's possible you could have a lower rank than any final finish only because we are including co-managers in the listing. That way if those guys ever split up we'll have their rankings, too.
What needs to be done now is to eliminate the Pitching and Hitting Points listed now and just put your overall finishes for 2004, 2005 and 2006. I will ask them to show those numbers and then it will all make sense. Sound good?
Greg,
Can you post here how lifetime rankings are calculated for the NFBC?
My "average lifetime rank" after three years is lower than I have ranked in any single year. That is a statistical impossibility. I am going to get STATS to redo these before Opening Day. Right now the hitting and pitching points shouldn't factor into the Lifetime Standings as I asked STATS to calculate your standings based on your overall finish each year. We are using 300 as a base factor. So wherever you finished in 2004 among the 195 teams you then multiply by 1.54. In 2005, we had 300 teams, so no matter where you finished that is your total. Then in 2006 we had 330 teams, so where you finished you multiply by 0.91. By adding those totals together it should give you a rank total.
STATS then lists EVERY player (including co-managers) in order to give us a Lifetime Standing. So it's possible you could have a lower rank than any final finish only because we are including co-managers in the listing. That way if those guys ever split up we'll have their rankings, too.
What needs to be done now is to eliminate the Pitching and Hitting Points listed now and just put your overall finishes for 2004, 2005 and 2006. I will ask them to show those numbers and then it will all make sense. Sound good?
Greg Ambrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
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With any luck, I'm going to create an NFBC Money Winners List as well, showing the winnings of each principal owner through our first three years. I don't care how many leagues you signed up for, I think it would be good to show our top winners and create a Top 20 or Top 50 list for everyone to shoot for. I just have to get this info from accounting first and then we'll see if it makes sense to do it.
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Greg,
Can you post here how lifetime rankings are calculated for the NFBC?
My "average lifetime rank" after three years is lower than I have ranked in any single year. That is a statistical impossibility. I am going to get STATS to redo these before Opening Day. Right now the hitting and pitching points shouldn't factor into the Lifetime Standings as I asked STATS to calculate your standings based on your overall finish each year. We are using 300 as a base factor. So wherever you finished in 2004 among the 195 teams you then multiply by 1.54. In 2005, we had 300 teams, so no matter where you finished that is your total. Then in 2006 we had 330 teams, so where you finished you multiply by 0.91. By adding those totals together it should give you a rank total.
STATS then lists EVERY player (including co-managers) in order to give us a Lifetime Standing. So it's possible you could have a lower rank than any final finish only because we are including co-managers in the listing. That way if those guys ever split up we'll have their rankings, too.
What needs to be done now is to eliminate the Pitching and Hitting Points listed now and just put your overall finishes for 2004, 2005 and 2006. I will ask them to show those numbers and then it will all make sense. Sound good? [/QUOTE]Thanks Greg, that methodology is more sound, but has one fault --- a guy who has one or two good years could easily surpass someone in lifetime standings who has had a great record over, say, 5 years, which is much tougher to accomplish.
You really should rank higher the guys who've had a strong record of out-performing the NFBC competition over a longer period.
p.s. using your formula, the rank is still wrong, at least for my teams
[ January 08, 2007, 06:02 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
Greg,
Can you post here how lifetime rankings are calculated for the NFBC?
My "average lifetime rank" after three years is lower than I have ranked in any single year. That is a statistical impossibility. I am going to get STATS to redo these before Opening Day. Right now the hitting and pitching points shouldn't factor into the Lifetime Standings as I asked STATS to calculate your standings based on your overall finish each year. We are using 300 as a base factor. So wherever you finished in 2004 among the 195 teams you then multiply by 1.54. In 2005, we had 300 teams, so no matter where you finished that is your total. Then in 2006 we had 330 teams, so where you finished you multiply by 0.91. By adding those totals together it should give you a rank total.
STATS then lists EVERY player (including co-managers) in order to give us a Lifetime Standing. So it's possible you could have a lower rank than any final finish only because we are including co-managers in the listing. That way if those guys ever split up we'll have their rankings, too.
What needs to be done now is to eliminate the Pitching and Hitting Points listed now and just put your overall finishes for 2004, 2005 and 2006. I will ask them to show those numbers and then it will all make sense. Sound good? [/QUOTE]Thanks Greg, that methodology is more sound, but has one fault --- a guy who has one or two good years could easily surpass someone in lifetime standings who has had a great record over, say, 5 years, which is much tougher to accomplish.
You really should rank higher the guys who've had a strong record of out-performing the NFBC competition over a longer period.
p.s. using your formula, the rank is still wrong, at least for my teams
[ January 08, 2007, 06:02 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
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Agreed Kevin, but there's probably no perfect way to do this. If you are consistently good and consistently near the top, you'll be near the top of the Lifetime Standings. We're also ranking everyone with at least two years in the NFBC, so over time a guy with 2-3 years in the NFBC may outrank another owner who has been doing this for 5-6 years. But that's why I also want to create an NFBC Career Earnings link to showcase those owners who have won a lot of money over time. I'll try to cover at least two bases if I can.
If STATS is configuring this wrong now, then I'll get it right. I've e-mailed them today to say this is a top priority as I think Lifetime Standings keeps people coming back each year. We'll get this right for sure.
If STATS is configuring this wrong now, then I'll get it right. I've e-mailed them today to say this is a top priority as I think Lifetime Standings keeps people coming back each year. We'll get this right for sure.
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greg - make sure i'm moved up quite a bit on faith alone. this is the year i show all the other 'top' players that this is my game.
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
Agreed Kevin, but there's probably no perfect way to do this. If you are consistently good and consistently near the top, you'll be near the top of the Lifetime Standings. We're also ranking everyone with at least two years in the NFBC, so over time a guy with 2-3 years in the NFBC may outrank another owner who has been doing this for 5-6 years. But that's why I also want to create an NFBC Career Earnings link to showcase those owners who have won a lot of money over time. I'll try to cover at least two bases if I can.
If STATS is configuring this wrong now, then I'll get it right. I've e-mailed them today to say this is a top priority as I think Lifetime Standings keeps people coming back each year. We'll get this right for sure. Greg, why not do it with the yearly baseline at 300, then add up those ranking points. If a guy didn't play, he gets a zero.
Agreed Kevin, but there's probably no perfect way to do this. If you are consistently good and consistently near the top, you'll be near the top of the Lifetime Standings. We're also ranking everyone with at least two years in the NFBC, so over time a guy with 2-3 years in the NFBC may outrank another owner who has been doing this for 5-6 years. But that's why I also want to create an NFBC Career Earnings link to showcase those owners who have won a lot of money over time. I'll try to cover at least two bases if I can.
If STATS is configuring this wrong now, then I'll get it right. I've e-mailed them today to say this is a top priority as I think Lifetime Standings keeps people coming back each year. We'll get this right for sure. Greg, why not do it with the yearly baseline at 300, then add up those ranking points. If a guy didn't play, he gets a zero.
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Greg,
How about something like this to recognize the top players? ... cashing out in any NFBC League would lead to accumulation of NFBC Lifetime Championship Scoring (LCS) Points.
I think this would:
a) make for great competition in term of bragging rights;
b) would show who the top players have been over time;
c) encourage everyone to play more!
1 pt - Cash out a Satellite
2 pts - Win a Satellite
2 pts - Cash out a Satellite or Auction of $500+
4 pts - Win a Satellite or Auction of $500+
4 pts - Cash out a Main Event, Satellite or Auction of $1,000+
8 pts - Win a Main Event, Satellite, or Auction lge of $1,000+
8 pts - Cash out an Ultimate
16 pts - Win an Ultimate
Main Event Bonus Points
8 pts - Cash out an overall prize
16 pts - Top 3 Overall
32 pts - Winner
[ January 09, 2007, 02:58 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
How about something like this to recognize the top players? ... cashing out in any NFBC League would lead to accumulation of NFBC Lifetime Championship Scoring (LCS) Points.
I think this would:
a) make for great competition in term of bragging rights;
b) would show who the top players have been over time;
c) encourage everyone to play more!
1 pt - Cash out a Satellite
2 pts - Win a Satellite
2 pts - Cash out a Satellite or Auction of $500+
4 pts - Win a Satellite or Auction of $500+
4 pts - Cash out a Main Event, Satellite or Auction of $1,000+
8 pts - Win a Main Event, Satellite, or Auction lge of $1,000+
8 pts - Cash out an Ultimate
16 pts - Win an Ultimate
Main Event Bonus Points
8 pts - Cash out an overall prize
16 pts - Top 3 Overall
32 pts - Winner
[ January 09, 2007, 02:58 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
c)encourage everyone to play more!
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c)encourage everyone to play more!
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16 pts - Win an Ultimate The foundation of this game is the main event and were a system enacted that awarded points, I could understand why you would get less for satellites, but by your system anyone who wins an ultimate would be at the top along with main event winners for doing nothing more than spending a whole bunch of money and winning a single league. Not very fair to middle class nfbcers. There is a reason why there aren't 24 ultimate leagues.
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Originally posted by bjoak:
quote: 16 pts - Win an Ultimate The foundation of this game is the main event and were a system enacted that awarded points, I could understand why you would get less for satellites, but by your system anyone who wins an ultimate would be at the top along with main event winners for doing nothing more than spending a whole bunch of money and winning a single league. Not very fair to middle class nfbcers. There is a reason why there aren't 24 ultimate leagues. [/QUOTE]bjoak, I actually did think about this. In general, I believe higher stakes = tougher competition top-to-bottom; thus the premium points for winning an Ultimate league.
I don't think getting 2x the Lifetime Pts for winning 8x the money is unreasonable. A middle class guy could win two $1,000 lges and get the same number of pts that an Ultimate winner would get. Greg's initial idea of showing total lifetime winnings would make it almost impossible for the "middle class" player to break into the top ranks. I think my suggestion is pretty fair to everyone.
quote: 16 pts - Win an Ultimate The foundation of this game is the main event and were a system enacted that awarded points, I could understand why you would get less for satellites, but by your system anyone who wins an ultimate would be at the top along with main event winners for doing nothing more than spending a whole bunch of money and winning a single league. Not very fair to middle class nfbcers. There is a reason why there aren't 24 ultimate leagues. [/QUOTE]bjoak, I actually did think about this. In general, I believe higher stakes = tougher competition top-to-bottom; thus the premium points for winning an Ultimate league.
I don't think getting 2x the Lifetime Pts for winning 8x the money is unreasonable. A middle class guy could win two $1,000 lges and get the same number of pts that an Ultimate winner would get. Greg's initial idea of showing total lifetime winnings would make it almost impossible for the "middle class" player to break into the top ranks. I think my suggestion is pretty fair to everyone.
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Now that I think about it, there are a couple of other benefits to awarding Lifetime Pts rather than a statistical ranking system.
#1 Lifetime Standings should be accumulation scoring, not percentage scoring. When we talk about the MLB Hall of Fame, it's not about who had the most HR's per AB, or most K's per 9 IP, or highest number of W's per game started. No, we talk about who hit the most HR's of all time, or who had the most Wins or K's all-time. We need a system like that to rank the top fantasy players, not a statistical ranking.
#2 It's really about cashing out. If I win one lge and come in 12th in another, am I better than a guy who finishes 6th in two leagues? Statistically, he'd probably be ahead of me, but I'd think I was the better player for winning a lge. I don't think there is ANY value to placing out of the money. At the same time, it can't be just about dollar amounts. Guys that can't afford Ultimate lges would never have a legitimate shot at a top ranking over time. Bigger lges should score more Lifetime Pts because they are tougher to win, but the disparity can't be so great that only the big money players end up on top.
#3 A guy like Artie Rastelli, who won the entire contest in '04 needs to have the difficulty of that task reflected in lifetime standings. I don't care if he finishes last the next season, that does not make him an "average" player. If Bonds hits 70 HR's in one year, then hits 5 HR's the next year, is he no longer a great HR hitter (please withhold steroid jokes for the sake of this argument
)?
[ January 09, 2007, 03:00 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
#1 Lifetime Standings should be accumulation scoring, not percentage scoring. When we talk about the MLB Hall of Fame, it's not about who had the most HR's per AB, or most K's per 9 IP, or highest number of W's per game started. No, we talk about who hit the most HR's of all time, or who had the most Wins or K's all-time. We need a system like that to rank the top fantasy players, not a statistical ranking.
#2 It's really about cashing out. If I win one lge and come in 12th in another, am I better than a guy who finishes 6th in two leagues? Statistically, he'd probably be ahead of me, but I'd think I was the better player for winning a lge. I don't think there is ANY value to placing out of the money. At the same time, it can't be just about dollar amounts. Guys that can't afford Ultimate lges would never have a legitimate shot at a top ranking over time. Bigger lges should score more Lifetime Pts because they are tougher to win, but the disparity can't be so great that only the big money players end up on top.
#3 A guy like Artie Rastelli, who won the entire contest in '04 needs to have the difficulty of that task reflected in lifetime standings. I don't care if he finishes last the next season, that does not make him an "average" player. If Bonds hits 70 HR's in one year, then hits 5 HR's the next year, is he no longer a great HR hitter (please withhold steroid jokes for the sake of this argument
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KJ Duke, not that it matters to me much since I'm nowhere to be found in the lifetime standings, but I see your system as eerily similar to what a lifetime money leader board would look like, albeit on a smaller scale. Am I right or just thinking unclear because it's so late?
I just reread your updated version. I see what you're saying - that the disparity in money leaders versus your system would leave the gap uncrossable by small-timers. Hm...I kinda like it. Might need some revisions, but I can't think of any right now.
[ January 09, 2007, 12:18 AM: Message edited by: EliGrimmett ]
I just reread your updated version. I see what you're saying - that the disparity in money leaders versus your system would leave the gap uncrossable by small-timers. Hm...I kinda like it. Might need some revisions, but I can't think of any right now.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by bjoak:
quote: 16 pts - Win an Ultimate The foundation of this game is the main event and were a system enacted that awarded points, I could understand why you would get less for satellites, but by your system anyone who wins an ultimate would be at the top along with main event winners for doing nothing more than spending a whole bunch of money and winning a single league. Not very fair to middle class nfbcers. There is a reason why there aren't 24 ultimate leagues. [/QUOTE]bjoak, I actually did think about this. In general, I believe higher stakes = tougher competition top-to-bottom; thus the premium points for winning an Ultimate league.
I don't think getting 2x the Lifetime Pts for winning 8x the money is unreasonable. A middle class guy could win two $1,000 lges and get the same number of pts that an Ultimate winner would get. Greg's initial idea of showing total lifetime winnings would make it almost impossible for the "middle class" player to break into the top ranks. I think my suggestion is pretty fair to everyone. [/QUOTE]Spoken like a Republican.
quote:Originally posted by bjoak:
quote: 16 pts - Win an Ultimate The foundation of this game is the main event and were a system enacted that awarded points, I could understand why you would get less for satellites, but by your system anyone who wins an ultimate would be at the top along with main event winners for doing nothing more than spending a whole bunch of money and winning a single league. Not very fair to middle class nfbcers. There is a reason why there aren't 24 ultimate leagues. [/QUOTE]bjoak, I actually did think about this. In general, I believe higher stakes = tougher competition top-to-bottom; thus the premium points for winning an Ultimate league.
I don't think getting 2x the Lifetime Pts for winning 8x the money is unreasonable. A middle class guy could win two $1,000 lges and get the same number of pts that an Ultimate winner would get. Greg's initial idea of showing total lifetime winnings would make it almost impossible for the "middle class" player to break into the top ranks. I think my suggestion is pretty fair to everyone. [/QUOTE]Spoken like a Republican.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Spoken like a Republican. Ha Doughboys! I was gonna get into an analogy about a progressive tax system, but I decided against it.
[ January 09, 2007, 12:29 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
Spoken like a Republican. Ha Doughboys! I was gonna get into an analogy about a progressive tax system, but I decided against it.
[ January 09, 2007, 12:29 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
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I ran a preliminary lifetime ranking based on known results as posted on the message board each year by Greg. In 2005, he only posted the league winners, so other money winners need to be added for that year. I also don't have co-managers, so that needs adjustment too. But an imperfect first cut shows the following leaders.
NFBC Lifetime Championship Scoring (LCS)
(LCS Points in parentheses)
1. Shawn Childs (77)
2. David DiDonato (64)
3. Artie Rastelli (40)
3. Brian Oldenski (40)
5. Eddie Gillis (37)
6. Greg Morgan (34)
7. David Deterra (32)
7. Eric Peden (32)
7. Stephen Jupinka (32)
10. Dan Kenyon (28)
10. Chris Stephenson (28)
10. Rick Thomas (28)
13. Aaron Seefeldt (24)
13. Terry Haney (24)
15. Brent Grooms (21)
16. Karl Mische (20)
17. John Hogan (18)
18. Mike Cameron (17)
19. Clark Olson (16)
19. David Longood (16)
19. Jeff Peters (16)
19. Jeff Thomas (16)
19. Jim Ruland (16)
19. Joe Martino (16)
19. Joseph Anello (16)
19. Lopi Asch (16)
19. Mark Yagan (16)
19. Martin Bedell (16)
19. Nate Ravitz (16)
19. Pat DePirro (16)
31. Carl Greer (14)
31. Ken Magner (14)
31. Kevin Dukesherer (14)
34. Joe Thelen (13)
35. Ari Benjamin (12)
35. Kevin Bass (12)
35. Kevin Rogers (12)
35. Norm Kent (12)
39. David Van Der Stuyf (9)
40. Andre Bourcier (8)
40. Bill Begley (8)
40. Dave Cushard (8)
40. Dave Kerpen (8)
40. Douglas Jaffe (8)
40. Ed Garcia (8)
40. Eric Price (8)
40. Gino Yu (8)
40. Glenn Schroter (8)
40. Henry Cantrell (8)
40. J.T. Visco (8)
40. Jace Reed (8)
40. Jeff Cooper (8)
40. Jesse Herron (8)
40. Jim Ferrari (8)
40. John Paolucci (8)
40. John Swol (8)
40. John Zaleski (8)
40. Joseph Mullins (8)
40. Joshua Sack (8)
40. Ken Norred (8)
40. Kent Stermon (8)
40. Kevin Grady (8)
40. Leonard Ringle (8)
40. Lindy Hinkelman (8)
40. Matt Mickle (8)
40. Michael Caputo (8)
40. Philip McDonald (8)
40. Robert Jurney (8)
40. Stanley Kaye (8)
40. Steve Pletkin (8)
40. Steven Tavoso (8)
40. Tom Lord (8)
40. William Tyrer (8)
40. Yoni Bornstein (8)
75. Chad Meyer (6)
75. Henry Tang (6)
75. Jeff Tudor (6)
75. Michael Zukowski (6)
75. Todd Lammi (6)
75. Todd Nord (6)
75. Todd Zola (6)
82. Dave Clum (5)
83. Aaron Smith (4)
83. Alan Zimmerman (4)
83. Andrew Fiore (4)
83. Bill Alexiou (4)
83. Brad Thibodeaux (4)
83. Bradley Shairson (4)
83. Brett Washburn (4)
83. Brian Oakchunas (4)
83. Brian Walton (4)
83. Brian Zirlin (4)
83. Chris Jones (4)
83. David Conkey (4)
83. David Lionetti (4)
83. Derek Briggs (4)
83. Donn Johnson (4)
83. Emo Bonaminio (4)
83. Evan Satinoff (4)
83. Gary Fisher (4)
83. Gary Sobov (4)
83. Gene McCaffrey (4)
83. George Kleeman (4)
83. Gerry Scotto Di Marco (4)
83. Gregg Janoff (4)
83. Homer Charbonneau (4)
83. Howard Markowitz (4)
83. James Hoffstetter (4)
83. James O'Connell (4)
83. James Tinik (4)
83. Jared Eagle (4)
83. Jason Steeves (4)
83. Jeff Price (4)
83. Jeffrey Rackliffe (4)
83. John Menna (4)
83. Jonathan Ugent (4)
83. Joseph Monaco (4)
83. Keith Gulian (4)
83. Kelly Uganski (4)
83. Korey Gardner (4)
83. Lance Goebel (4)
83. Larry Lensak (4)
83. Mark Janik (4)
83. Marvin Breese (4)
83. Michael Bozzi (4)
83. Michael Kleemann (4)
83. Mike O'Connor (4)
83. Mike Savaria (4)
83. Parnelli Baker (4)
83. Patrick Gagne (4)
83. Paul Weber (4)
83. Perry Van Hook (4)
83. Pete Lukowicz (4)
83. Ray Murphy (4)
83. Rey Diaz (4)
83. Richard Bales Jr (4)
83. Richard Van Fleet (4)
83. Robert Nikc (4)
83. Ron Kraus (4)
83. Salvatore Vella (4)
83. Scott Gunaca (4)
83. Scott Silberfein (4)
83. Scott Stauffer (4)
83. Scott Zeidman (4)
83. Steven Burr (4)
83. Tim Williams (4)
147. David Zwickel (3)
147. Jay Bufis (3)
149. Bruce Evans (2)
149. Chris Throop (2)
149. Christopher Fleming (2)
149. Dan Mitlof (2)
149. Daniel Lindom (2)
149. Don Mathis (2)
149. Ed O'Donnell (2)
149. Frederick Taylor (2)
149. Herbert Eroh, II (2)
149. Jack Haan (2)
149. Jason Aberli (2)
149. Jeff Dobies (2)
149. Jeff Kratz (2)
149. Kevin Kirves (2)
149. Patrick Welsh (2)
149. Phillip Smith (2)
149. Rob Conti (2)
149. Sean Brinlee (2)
149. Tom Phillips (2)
149. Tony Galvao (2)
149. Zac Staples (2)
170. Dan Krumrei (1)
170. Greg Masters (1)
170. Kyle Baldwin (1)
170. Mike Diedrich (1)
170. Mike Konemann (1)
170. Robert DeNofrio (1)
170. Robert Walker (1)
170. Scott Simonetti (1)
Greg, if you could get me the add'l data I could re-run the standings as is, or modify it however you see fit if you like the general concept. Another cool thing about this ... you could run the exact same ranking system for the NFFC, and even combine the results on an apples-to-apples basis to see who the best overall multi-sport fantasy players are.
[ January 09, 2007, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
NFBC Lifetime Championship Scoring (LCS)
(LCS Points in parentheses)
1. Shawn Childs (77)
2. David DiDonato (64)
3. Artie Rastelli (40)
3. Brian Oldenski (40)
5. Eddie Gillis (37)
6. Greg Morgan (34)
7. David Deterra (32)
7. Eric Peden (32)
7. Stephen Jupinka (32)
10. Dan Kenyon (28)
10. Chris Stephenson (28)
10. Rick Thomas (28)
13. Aaron Seefeldt (24)
13. Terry Haney (24)
15. Brent Grooms (21)
16. Karl Mische (20)
17. John Hogan (18)
18. Mike Cameron (17)
19. Clark Olson (16)
19. David Longood (16)
19. Jeff Peters (16)
19. Jeff Thomas (16)
19. Jim Ruland (16)
19. Joe Martino (16)
19. Joseph Anello (16)
19. Lopi Asch (16)
19. Mark Yagan (16)
19. Martin Bedell (16)
19. Nate Ravitz (16)
19. Pat DePirro (16)
31. Carl Greer (14)
31. Ken Magner (14)
31. Kevin Dukesherer (14)
34. Joe Thelen (13)
35. Ari Benjamin (12)
35. Kevin Bass (12)
35. Kevin Rogers (12)
35. Norm Kent (12)
39. David Van Der Stuyf (9)
40. Andre Bourcier (8)
40. Bill Begley (8)
40. Dave Cushard (8)
40. Dave Kerpen (8)
40. Douglas Jaffe (8)
40. Ed Garcia (8)
40. Eric Price (8)
40. Gino Yu (8)
40. Glenn Schroter (8)
40. Henry Cantrell (8)
40. J.T. Visco (8)
40. Jace Reed (8)
40. Jeff Cooper (8)
40. Jesse Herron (8)
40. Jim Ferrari (8)
40. John Paolucci (8)
40. John Swol (8)
40. John Zaleski (8)
40. Joseph Mullins (8)
40. Joshua Sack (8)
40. Ken Norred (8)
40. Kent Stermon (8)
40. Kevin Grady (8)
40. Leonard Ringle (8)
40. Lindy Hinkelman (8)
40. Matt Mickle (8)
40. Michael Caputo (8)
40. Philip McDonald (8)
40. Robert Jurney (8)
40. Stanley Kaye (8)
40. Steve Pletkin (8)
40. Steven Tavoso (8)
40. Tom Lord (8)
40. William Tyrer (8)
40. Yoni Bornstein (8)
75. Chad Meyer (6)
75. Henry Tang (6)
75. Jeff Tudor (6)
75. Michael Zukowski (6)
75. Todd Lammi (6)
75. Todd Nord (6)
75. Todd Zola (6)
82. Dave Clum (5)
83. Aaron Smith (4)
83. Alan Zimmerman (4)
83. Andrew Fiore (4)
83. Bill Alexiou (4)
83. Brad Thibodeaux (4)
83. Bradley Shairson (4)
83. Brett Washburn (4)
83. Brian Oakchunas (4)
83. Brian Walton (4)
83. Brian Zirlin (4)
83. Chris Jones (4)
83. David Conkey (4)
83. David Lionetti (4)
83. Derek Briggs (4)
83. Donn Johnson (4)
83. Emo Bonaminio (4)
83. Evan Satinoff (4)
83. Gary Fisher (4)
83. Gary Sobov (4)
83. Gene McCaffrey (4)
83. George Kleeman (4)
83. Gerry Scotto Di Marco (4)
83. Gregg Janoff (4)
83. Homer Charbonneau (4)
83. Howard Markowitz (4)
83. James Hoffstetter (4)
83. James O'Connell (4)
83. James Tinik (4)
83. Jared Eagle (4)
83. Jason Steeves (4)
83. Jeff Price (4)
83. Jeffrey Rackliffe (4)
83. John Menna (4)
83. Jonathan Ugent (4)
83. Joseph Monaco (4)
83. Keith Gulian (4)
83. Kelly Uganski (4)
83. Korey Gardner (4)
83. Lance Goebel (4)
83. Larry Lensak (4)
83. Mark Janik (4)
83. Marvin Breese (4)
83. Michael Bozzi (4)
83. Michael Kleemann (4)
83. Mike O'Connor (4)
83. Mike Savaria (4)
83. Parnelli Baker (4)
83. Patrick Gagne (4)
83. Paul Weber (4)
83. Perry Van Hook (4)
83. Pete Lukowicz (4)
83. Ray Murphy (4)
83. Rey Diaz (4)
83. Richard Bales Jr (4)
83. Richard Van Fleet (4)
83. Robert Nikc (4)
83. Ron Kraus (4)
83. Salvatore Vella (4)
83. Scott Gunaca (4)
83. Scott Silberfein (4)
83. Scott Stauffer (4)
83. Scott Zeidman (4)
83. Steven Burr (4)
83. Tim Williams (4)
147. David Zwickel (3)
147. Jay Bufis (3)
149. Bruce Evans (2)
149. Chris Throop (2)
149. Christopher Fleming (2)
149. Dan Mitlof (2)
149. Daniel Lindom (2)
149. Don Mathis (2)
149. Ed O'Donnell (2)
149. Frederick Taylor (2)
149. Herbert Eroh, II (2)
149. Jack Haan (2)
149. Jason Aberli (2)
149. Jeff Dobies (2)
149. Jeff Kratz (2)
149. Kevin Kirves (2)
149. Patrick Welsh (2)
149. Phillip Smith (2)
149. Rob Conti (2)
149. Sean Brinlee (2)
149. Tom Phillips (2)
149. Tony Galvao (2)
149. Zac Staples (2)
170. Dan Krumrei (1)
170. Greg Masters (1)
170. Kyle Baldwin (1)
170. Mike Diedrich (1)
170. Mike Konemann (1)
170. Robert DeNofrio (1)
170. Robert Walker (1)
170. Scott Simonetti (1)
Greg, if you could get me the add'l data I could re-run the standings as is, or modify it however you see fit if you like the general concept. Another cool thing about this ... you could run the exact same ranking system for the NFFC, and even combine the results on an apples-to-apples basis to see who the best overall multi-sport fantasy players are.
[ January 09, 2007, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
Lifetime Standings
Greg's initial idea of showing total lifetime winnings would make it almost impossible for the "middle class" player to break into the top ranks. 1. The current rankings are only based on the main event. I think something else is in mind for mulah rankings, but an even playing field makes the most sense. If you're decent and join every possible draft here, you'll look like the best by that category just because you're dishing out the time and money.
2. No, if you won $100,000 you'd be near the top of money rankings guarenteed. Your system does not reward that much more than winning an ultimate.
3. There is a threshold in gambling where excessive wealth surpasses investment in skill. You can walk around and look at any high stakes poker game in Vegas to see it.
2. No, if you won $100,000 you'd be near the top of money rankings guarenteed. Your system does not reward that much more than winning an ultimate.
3. There is a threshold in gambling where excessive wealth surpasses investment in skill. You can walk around and look at any high stakes poker game in Vegas to see it.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Lifetime Standings
Originally posted by bjoak:
quote: Greg's initial idea of showing total lifetime winnings would make it almost impossible for the "middle class" player to break into the top ranks. 1. The current rankings are only based on the main event. I think something else is in mind for mulah rankings, but an even playing field makes the most sense. If you're decent and join every possible draft here, you'll look like the best by that category just because you're dishing out the time and money.
2. No, if you won $100,000 you'd be near the top of money rankings guarenteed. Your system does not reward that much more than winning an ultimate.
3. There is a threshold in gambling where excessive wealth surpasses investment in skill. You can walk around and look at any high stakes poker game in Vegas to see it. [/QUOTE]Winning the $100k overall would give you 40 pts (winning your lge 8 pts, plus 32 pt bonus). To equal this in the Ultimate, you'd have to win 2 lges at $40k each, and win the evuivalent of a 3rd (main event lge). I think that's a reasonable balance whereas 1 overall championship = 2 Ultimate lge championships plus a 3rd regular championship. Just my opinion, of course, and the numbers could be tweaked - but I think the concept is sound and the relative ratios are in the ballpark.
Mainly, I think the top lifetime-ranked guys need to be guys that are playing consistently and winning a lot (and with higher stakes worth more), not those with 2-3 good statistical years in which they may not have even won anything.
But I also wouldn't consider a guy who has won a single Ultimate ($40k) better than a guy who has won 3 main event lges ($15k), and under the lifetime winnings method the Ultimate winner would look three times better than the 3-time winner!
As for the poker analogy, there is some truth to that, but unlike poker there is only one baseball season per year and playing multiple lges means playing simultaneously, and that makes it much harder to win (kinda like if a poker player had to bounce between 10 poker tables simultaneously - wouldn't be easy).
[ January 09, 2007, 02:54 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
quote: Greg's initial idea of showing total lifetime winnings would make it almost impossible for the "middle class" player to break into the top ranks. 1. The current rankings are only based on the main event. I think something else is in mind for mulah rankings, but an even playing field makes the most sense. If you're decent and join every possible draft here, you'll look like the best by that category just because you're dishing out the time and money.
2. No, if you won $100,000 you'd be near the top of money rankings guarenteed. Your system does not reward that much more than winning an ultimate.
3. There is a threshold in gambling where excessive wealth surpasses investment in skill. You can walk around and look at any high stakes poker game in Vegas to see it. [/QUOTE]Winning the $100k overall would give you 40 pts (winning your lge 8 pts, plus 32 pt bonus). To equal this in the Ultimate, you'd have to win 2 lges at $40k each, and win the evuivalent of a 3rd (main event lge). I think that's a reasonable balance whereas 1 overall championship = 2 Ultimate lge championships plus a 3rd regular championship. Just my opinion, of course, and the numbers could be tweaked - but I think the concept is sound and the relative ratios are in the ballpark.
Mainly, I think the top lifetime-ranked guys need to be guys that are playing consistently and winning a lot (and with higher stakes worth more), not those with 2-3 good statistical years in which they may not have even won anything.
But I also wouldn't consider a guy who has won a single Ultimate ($40k) better than a guy who has won 3 main event lges ($15k), and under the lifetime winnings method the Ultimate winner would look three times better than the 3-time winner!
As for the poker analogy, there is some truth to that, but unlike poker there is only one baseball season per year and playing multiple lges means playing simultaneously, and that makes it much harder to win (kinda like if a poker player had to bounce between 10 poker tables simultaneously - wouldn't be easy).
[ January 09, 2007, 02:54 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
Lifetime Standings
Top 20 owners from 2005/2006 combined
This is using 330 as baseline
Owner 2006 (2006 RANK PTS) 2005 (2005 RANK PTS)
Christopher Stephenson/Andrew Nolan 3 328 22 306.9
Brent Grooms 9 322 20 309.1
Richard Bales, Jr./Debbie Bates 13 318 26 302.5
Karl Mische 4 327 47 279.4
Stephen Jupinka/James Doherty 35 296 19 310.2
Joseph Anello 25 306 30 298.1
John Hogan 14 317 43 283.8
Rey Diaz 24 307 35 292.6
Douglas Jaffe 62 269 9 321.2
Joe Martino 5 326 61 264
Albert Petit 61 270 14 315.7
Joshua Sack 46 285 29 299.2
David DiDonato 1 330 70 254.1
David Deterra 7 324 71 253
Joe Thelen/Jim Thelen 67 264 17 312.4
Dan Kenyon 88 243 2 328.9
Dave Clum 65 266 24 304.7
Martin Bedell 90 241 3 327.8
Kevin Forman 49 282 46 280.5
Eric Price 33 298 67 257.4
This is using 330 as baseline
Owner 2006 (2006 RANK PTS) 2005 (2005 RANK PTS)
Christopher Stephenson/Andrew Nolan 3 328 22 306.9
Brent Grooms 9 322 20 309.1
Richard Bales, Jr./Debbie Bates 13 318 26 302.5
Karl Mische 4 327 47 279.4
Stephen Jupinka/James Doherty 35 296 19 310.2
Joseph Anello 25 306 30 298.1
John Hogan 14 317 43 283.8
Rey Diaz 24 307 35 292.6
Douglas Jaffe 62 269 9 321.2
Joe Martino 5 326 61 264
Albert Petit 61 270 14 315.7
Joshua Sack 46 285 29 299.2
David DiDonato 1 330 70 254.1
David Deterra 7 324 71 253
Joe Thelen/Jim Thelen 67 264 17 312.4
Dan Kenyon 88 243 2 328.9
Dave Clum 65 266 24 304.7
Martin Bedell 90 241 3 327.8
Kevin Forman 49 282 46 280.5
Eric Price 33 298 67 257.4
Lifetime Standings
Here's the three-year history of NFBC using last year's total of 330 as the baseline.
A perfect score would be 990.
2005 = 330/300, or 1.1x
2004 = 330/195, or 1.692x
I started with the info from 2006 first, and then backed in partners as I saw fit so that each slot was only scored once.
If anyone knows how to post a web page, let me know so the layout can look much better...
Owner 2006Finish (2006RANK PTS) 2005Finish (2005RANK PTS)2004Finish (2004RANK PTS) 3yrTOTAL
Christopher Stephenson/Andrew Nolan 3 328 22 306.9 18 301.2 936.13
Karl Mische 4 327 47 279.4 9 316.5 922.86
Stephen Jupinka/James Doherty 35 296 19 310.2 10 314.8 920.97
Shawn Childs/Kevin Deckel 102 229 5 325.6 3 326.6 881.22
Joshua Sack 46 285 29 299.2 24 291.1 875.28
John Hogan 14 317 43 283.8 38 267.4 868.18
Joe Thelen/Jim Thelen 67 264 17 312.4 25 289.4 865.78
Eric Price 33 298 67 257.4 14 308.0 863.40
Eric Peden 43 288 87 235.4 6 321.5 844.94
Henry Cantrell Jr. 32 299 81 242 26 287.7 828.69
Rick Thomas/John Perrin 2 329 120 199.1 21 296.2 824.25
Martin Bedell 90 241 3 327.8 53 242.0 810.80
Clark Olson 170 161 11 319 13 309.7 789.69
Mark Janik 47 284 72 251.9 51 245.4 781.28
Charles Gillespie/Brian Rudd 116 215 40 287.1 45 255.5 757.64
Kevin Rogers/Kevin Moss 194 137 16 313.5 23 292.8 743.27
Kenneth Norred 37 294 93 228.8 66 220.0 742.80
Korey Gardner 19 312 108 212.3 72 209.8 734.15
Jeff Thomas 181 150 68 256.3 5 323.2 729.53
Scott Zeidman 115 216 130 188.1 12 311.4 715.48
William Tyrer 57 274 79 244.2 84 189.5 707.74
Pat DePirro 6 325 206 104.5 35 272.5 701.96
Ari Benjamin 109 222 156 159.5 8 318.2 699.65
Brian Oldenski 180 151 1 330 69 214.9 695.92
Brett Washburn 30 301 199 112.2 31 279.2 692.43
Eddie Gillis/O'Hare 173 158 77 246.4 30 280.9 685.32
Jay Pobis/Win Murray 89 242 39 288.2 107 150.6 680.82
Emmett Ruland 74 257 73 250.8 94 172.6 680.42
Todd Nord 15 316 164 150.7 74 206.5 673.16
Terrence Haney 125 206 176 137.5 4 324.9 668.42
Leonello Savo, Jr 105 226 25 303.6 120 128.6 658.22
Rich Verost 103 228 41 286 112 142.2 656.15
David Cushard 243 88 57 268.4 19 299.5 655.94
Douglas Jaffe 62 269 9 321.2 158 64.3 654.51
Mike O'Connor 128 203 170 144.1 16 304.6 651.72
Mark Srebro 106 225 74 249.7 93 174.3 649.01
Rey Diaz 24 307 35 292.6 168 47.4 646.98
Lance Goebel 140 191 129 189.2 41 262.3 642.51
Paul Weber 155 176 94 227.7 57 235.2 638.93
Norm Kent 29 302 180 133.1 76 203.1 638.18
Kenneth Magner 179 152 107 213.4 36 270.8 636.17
Aaron Seefeldt 167 164 174 139.7 2 328.3 632.01
George Kleemann 201 130 102 218.9 29 282.6 631.52
Brent Grooms 9 322 20 309.1 631.10
Gerry Scotto Di Marco 48 283 122 196.9 109 147.2 627.13
Mark Yagan 295 36 4 326.7 43 258.9 621.62
Richard Bales, Jr./Debbie Bates 13 318 26 302.5 620.50
Bradley Shairson 246 85 42 284.9 48 250.5 620.36
Kevin Grady 42 289 279 24.2 20 297.8 611.05
Artie Rastelli 285 46 89 233.2 1 330.0 609.20
Glenn Schroter/Hogan 21 310 151 165 117 133.7 608.69
Joseph Anello 25 306 30 298.1 604.10
Boaz Levy 171 160 111 209 60 230.2 599.15
Gregory Morgan/Dale Morgan 10 321 259 46.2 59 231.8 599.05
Michael Samuels 96 235 126 192.5 98 165.8 593.35
Joe Martino 5 326 61 264 590.00
Gene McCaffrey 40 291 139 178.2 127 116.8 585.97
Albert Petit 61 270 14 315.7 585.70
David DiDonato 1 330 70 254.1 584.10
Mike Ladd 258 73 53 272.8 56 236.9 582.72
Leonard Ringle 169 162 197 114.4 15 306.3 582.71
Phillip McDonald 190 141 178 135.3 17 302.9 579.22
David Deterra 7 324 71 253 577.00
Dan Kenyon 88 243 2 328.9 571.90
Dave Clum 65 266 24 304.7 570.70
Michael Lewis 81 250 244 62.7 44 257.2 569.93
Jeff Dobies 158 173 52 273.9 124 121.8 568.75
Kevin Forman 49 282 46 280.5 562.50
Perry Van Hook 120 211 185 127.6 68 216.6 555.22
Lewis Lipsey 135 196 62 262.9 140 94.8 553.67
Chris Plouffe 63 268 100 221.1 159 62.6 551.72
Brian Zirlin 12 319 91 231 550.00
Salvatore Vella 126 205 240 67.1 34 274.2 546.25
David Van Der Stuyf 31 300 80 243.1 543.10
Nate Ravitz 165 166 6 324.5 166 50.8 541.27
Dohn Terrell Jr. 143 188 48 278.3 153 72.8 539.07
Michael Kleemann 59 272 60 265.1 537.10
Jason Aberli 101 230 32 295.9 525.90
Jeff Peters 131 200 8 322.3 522.30
Donn Johnson 66 265 149 167.2 144 88.0 520.20
Steve Pletkin/Alex Pletkin 39 292 101 220 512.00
David Longood 196 135 31 297 150 77.8 509.85
John Wojtowicz 92 239 56 269.5 508.50
Sandi Kleemann 17 314 125 193.6 507.60
Hojin Kyung 251 80 51 275 108 148.9 503.92
David Conkey/Matthew Snoga 36 295 112 207.9 502.90
Kent Stermon/Roth 148 183 15 314.6 497.60
Erik Sudigala/Phillip Hurst 124 207 37 290.4 497.40
Steven Tavoso 129 202 34 293.7 495.70
Brian Oakchunas 52 279 105 215.6 494.60
Laurence Edelman 257 74 69 255.2 101 160.8 489.97
John Piontek 63 261.8 62 226.8 488.57
Michael Caputo 163 168 12 317.9 485.90
Larry Lensak 38 293 127 191.4 484.40
Joseph Monaco 134 197 44 282.7 479.70
Scott Monroe/Ray Murphy 267 64 144 172.7 54 240.3 477.01
Lindy Hinkelman 86 245 92 229.9 474.90
Nestor Solamillos 93 238 86 236.5 474.50
John Menna 282 49 38 289.3 116 135.4 473.68
Marvin Breese 55 276 123 195.8 471.80
Brian Walton 242 89 238 69.3 11 313.1 471.38
Larry Schechter 54 277 128 190.3 467.30
Nathan Tennessen/Speakman 98 233 88 234.3 467.30
Howard Markowitz 202 129 200 111.1 64 223.4 463.48
James Vassallo/Chris Schinker 306 25 97 224.4 70 213.2 462.63
Chris Schinker/James Vassallo 117 214 75 248.6 462.60
Joe Mullins 193 138 13 316.8 454.80
Jay Bufis 266 65 28 300.3 145 86.3 451.61
Kevin Bass/Rick Parker 50 281 147 169.4 450.40
Ken Skrocki 123 208 83 239.8 447.80
Robert Jurney 41 290 160 155.1 445.10
Steve Keiran 107 224 103 217.8 441.80
Tim Scanlan/Cox 192 139 27 301.4 440.40
Michael Cameron/Ron Spurgeon 235 96 7 323.4 184 20.3 439.71
Henry Tang 56 275 152 163.9 438.90
Stanley Kaye 172 159 298 3.3 33 275.8 438.15
John Oh! No! 203 128 21 308 436.00
Jim Ferrari 84 247 131 187 434.00
Dick Van Fleet 28 303 183 129.8 432.80
Peter Lukowicz/Brian Lukowicz 200 131 188 124.3 92 176.0 431.30
John Swol 231 100 10 320.1 190 10.2 430.25
James Cummings 58 273 262 42.9 130 111.7 427.59
Jace Reed 118 213 106 214.5 427.50
John Rundle 182 149 177 136.4 113 140.5 425.86
Wayne Edwards 207 124 209 101.2 79 198.0 423.20
Rob Maysey/Greg Masters 108 223 121 198 421.00
Jack Lyons/Patrick Lyons 297 34 54 271.7 128 115.1 420.78
Scott Gunaca/Mike Williams 90 232.1 89 181.1 413.18
Chris Goudey 197 134 50 276.1 410.10
Tom Lord 18 313 216 93.5 406.50
Bob Ashmen 168 163 82 240.9 403.90
Sharon Williams 291 40 140 177.1 86 186.2 403.25
Rick Kanfer 315 16 195 116.6 37 269.1 401.68
Matthew Ross 265 66 36 291.5 170 44.0 401.50
dominic cirigliano 241 90 117 202.4 132 108.3 400.71
Terry Kent/Thomas Wachter 78 245.3 106 152.3 397.61
Eric Pallotti 218 113 28 284.3 397.31
Chad Meyer 171 143 46 253.8 396.85
Mike Duggan 216 115 49 277.2 392.20
Todd Zola 156 175 113 206.8 191 8.5 390.26
Chad Silver 247 84 23 305.8 389.80
Jason Kass 236 95 22 294.5 389.46
David Zwickel 212 119 119 200.2 157 66.0 385.20
Jim Ruland 245 61.6 7 319.8 381.45
Michael Edelman 204 127 76 247.5 193 5.1 379.58
Brian Zeid 79 252 217 92.4 176 33.8 378.25
OConnell James 34 297 228 80.3 377.30
Emo Bonaminio 45 286 224 84.7 370.70
Steve Wells 187 144 281 22 78 199.7 365.69
Rob Coffee 233 98 59 266.2 364.20
Jeremy Chen 138 179.3 87 184.5 363.76
Bruce Lev 151 180 134 183.7 363.70
Joseph Treffiletti 237 94 58 267.3 361.30
Bruce Barnard/Joe Arrington 137 194 220 89.1 151 76.2 359.25
Eric Albright/David Shoup 176 155 118 201.3 356.30
Keith Yoshimura 160 171 133 184.8 355.80
Larry Katz 221 88 40 264.0 352.00
Doug McCready/Charles Bennett 150 181 204 106.7 160 60.9 348.62
John Crane 226 105 182 130.9 131 110.0 345.90
Mike Wheeler 157 174 145 171.6 345.60
Ron Kraus 133 198 167 147.4 345.40
Scott Renda 247 59.4 27 286.0 345.40
Vern Neumann/Jacob Wallendal 166 148.5 81 194.6 343.12
James Hoffstetter 302 29 241 66 52 243.7 338.69
Charles Levitz/Richard Gordon 161 170 148 168.3 338.30
KJ Duke 228 103 136 181.5 165 52.5 336.96
Wilbur Soto 174 157 193 118.8 161 59.2 335.03
Lenny Diveglio 271 60 196 115.5 103 157.4 332.88
Don Mathis/Judy Mathis 188 143 248 58.3 119 130.3 331.61
Ed Garcia 11 320 294 7.7 327.70
Lopi Asch 8 323 323.00
Jesse Herron/Frank Herron/Dustin Ashby 274 57 66 258.5 315.50
J.T. Visco/Vince Kremer 263 68 161 154 141 93.1 315.08
Gino Yu 16 315 315.00
Kenneth Gray 18 311.3 311.30
Andre Bourcier 20 311 311.00
Duke Viveros/Perry Mullin 198 133 141 176 309.00
matt mickle/Leo Pannisco 22 309 309.00
Dave Kerpen/Andy Kaufmann 23 308 308.00
Chris Throop/R.T. Davis 99 232 233 74.8 306.80
Jeff Cooper 296 35 55 270.6 305.60
Jared Eagle/Brian Eagle 26 305 305.00
Jeff Tudor 27 304 304.00
Chris Beeler 252 79 98 223.3 302.30
Dave Gawron 268 36.3 39 265.7 301.99
Michael Fishman 158 157.3 114 138.8 296.07
Neil Caracciolo 230 101 124 194.7 295.70
Randy Barbour 317 14 45 281.6 295.60
David Lionetti 33 294.8 294.80
Rich Sutton 147 184 205 105.6 289.60
Rob Conti 255 76 249 57.2 104 155.7 288.89
Chris Jones 269 35.2 47 252.2 287.35
Gregg Janoff 44 287 287.00
Michael Bozzi/Duponte 51 280 280.00
Joe Kruk 53 278 278.00
Jeff Howard 32 277.5 277.54
Herbert Eroh, II 211 120 159 156.2 276.20
Jake Rie/George Vagelakos 277 26.4 50 247.1 273.48
Terry Passalacqua 60 271 271.00
Scott Fleming 207 103.4 97 167.5 270.94
Stephen Ranaghan 225 106 153 162.8 268.80
Scott Stauffer 311 20 49 248.8 268.77
Bill Alexiou/Lee Caporale 64 267 267.00
Ron Ludwin/Dave D'Vorehak/Billy Johnson 290 41 96 225.5 266.50
Paul LeMarbre 112 219 260 45.1 264.10
Francis Boccia/Mark Plimley 68 263 263.00
Kyle Pope/Anderson/Bradley Miller 69 262 262.00
David Alfaro 292 39 99 222.2 261.20
Derek Briggs/Angelo Mourelatos 70 261 261.00
Ian Rule 64 260.7 260.70
Keith Gulian/Andy Mullet 42 260.6 260.62
Jeff Edwards 71 260 260.00
Dan Fenwick/Ken Jakubek 65 259.6 259.60
Jesse Herron 305 26 58 233.5 259.54
Alan Salem 72 259 259.00
Robert Nikc 73 258 258.00
Evan Satinoff/Dan Satinoff 75 256 256.00
David Geisinger 76 255 255.00
Brad Thibodeaux 77 254 254.00
Bob Steiner 78 253 253.00
Jason Krieger/Clinton Svoboda 280 23.1 61 228.5 251.56
Schwartz/Zac Staples 80 251 251.00
Michael Lins 248 83 150 166.1 249.10
Scott Richman/Daniel Heath 82 249 249.00
joseph petit 83 248 248.00
William Burak 223 108 175 138.6 246.60
Dana Harvey/Steve Melillo 210 121 187 125.4 246.40
Brett Goldblatt 85 246 246.00
Steve Kraut 253 52.8 82 192.9 245.72
Andrew Fiore 87 244 244.00
Matt Pike 192 119.9 123 123.5 243.44
Gerard Venezia 136 195 258 47.3 242.30
Edward Nolan 162 169 235 72.6 241.60
Mike Savaria 91 240 240.00
Jason Root 84 238.7 238.70
Larry Chielli 55 238.6 238.62
Jim Schumacher 127 204 270 34.1 238.10
Vin Lostocco 85 237.6 237.60
Carlos Barrionuevo 94 237 237.00
Tim Williams/Stephen Fiore 95 236 236.00
George Beason 186 145 231 77 188 13.5 235.54
Nick Cole 97 234 234.00
Adam Koplan 308 23 110 210.1 233.10
Nick Cassavetes 100 231 231.00
Gary Cowham/Scott Pezzola 242 64.9 99 164.2 229.05
Joseph Saporito/Christopher McGowan 95 226.6 195 1.7 228.29
Bob Mazur 104 227 227.00
Matthew Fleming 63 225.1 225.08
John Zaleski 249 82 172 141.9 223.90
Michael Zukowski 141 190 272 31.9 221.90
Tony Silva/Troy Agler 65 221.7 221.69
Charles Papenfus 266 38.5 88 182.8 221.27
Jules McLean 110 221 221.00
John S. Longo/Christopher Longo 111 220 220.00
David Fox 67 218.3 218.31
Marc Meltzer 113 218 218.00
Jeffrey Magid 114 217 217.00
Stephen Perrella/Joseph Palombini 104 216.7 216.70
Mark Lally/Daryl Williams 210 100.1 129 113.4 213.48
John Dean 240 91 267 37.4 146 84.6 213.02
Doug Moore 214 117 214 95.7 212.70
Joshua Turin/David Allen 119 212 212.00
Alexander Hayden 71 211.5 211.54
Richard Lepow/Todd Lepow 109 211.2 211.20
Lori Rubinson 121 210 210.00
Josh Jantas 122 209 209.00
Christopher Hyden 73 208.2 208.15
Dan Mitlof/Gary Ottmanelli 114 205.7 205.70
Carl Lampley 75 204.8 204.77
Paul Roberts Jr. 115 204.6 204.60
William Beausoleil/Steve McGarry 116 203.5 203.50
David Bowen/Scott Jordan 190 122.1 148 81.2 203.33
Matt Hickok 146 185 286 16.5 201.50
Roger Miloti 77 201.4 201.38
Linda Lepow 130 201 201.00
Scott Simonetti 283 48 162 152.9 200.90
Kelly Uganski 209 122 230 78.1 200.10
Scott Silberfein 260 71 184 128.7 199.70
Michael Aday 322 9 154 161.7 179 28.8 199.47
John Pausma 132 199 199.00
Vincent Marcone 213 118 229 79.2 197.20
Patrick Tremaglio/Kevin Sullivan 211 99 138 98.2 197.15
Nathan Noy 80 196.3 196.31
Jim Christie 138 193 193.00
Douglas Lukas/Bonnie Lambert 152 179 289 13.2 192.20
Dave Dvorchak 139 192 192.00
Bennett Fischthal 83 191.2 191.23
Geoff Sullivan 142 189 189.00
Jon Engstrom 85 187.8 187.85
James Bores 307 24 300 1.1 100 162.5 187.56
Ream Lazaro 144 187 187.00
Brian Brandt 145 186 186.00
Paul Sidikman 132 185.9 185.90
Jeffrey Price 330 1 169 145.2 174 37.2 183.43
Joe Passaro 135 182.6 182.60
Jeff Kratz 149 182 182.00
Michael Pisano 142 174.9 192 6.8 181.67
Jason Novak/Nick Chakiris 137 180.4 180.40
Ken Bayes 90 179.4 179.38
Chris Hill 153 178 178.00
Phillip Barto 91 177.7 177.69
Enrique Castillo 154 177 177.00
Richard Kidd/John Vagelatos 175 156 282 20.9 176.90
David O'Connor/Scott Stauffer 143 173.8 173.80
Kevin Deckel 159 172 172.00
Al Riccobono 95 170.9 170.92
John Zimnox 146 170.5 170.50
Donald Haworth 96 169.2 169.23
Michael Warren 186 126.5 172 40.6 167.12
Robert FitzGerald 164 167 167.00
Don Drooker 166 165 165.00
Andrew Robinson/Sal Defilippo 155 160.6 160.60
Bobby Brendler 177 154 295 6.6 160.60
Yoni Bornstein/Sammy Zahler 102 159.1 159.08
Rick Pleiss/Dennis Purdy 157 158.4 158.40
Alan Alpers 105 154.0 154.00
Chris Rastelli 275 56 212 97.9 153.90
Jeffrey Rackliffe/Rackliffe 269 62 142 91.4 153.38
Kevin Kirves 178 153 153.00
Scott Masel 162 152.9 152.90
Sean Brinlee 199 331 179 134.2 465.20
Joey Liner/Lee Pollak 255 50.6 137 99.8 150.45
Andy Shane 246 60.5 143 89.7 150.19
Bob Snyder 165 149.6 149.60
Brian Feldman 183 148 148.00
Joe Beato 184 147 147.00
Mike Minotti 168 146.3 146.30
Donald Mezick 185 146 146.00
Chris Deffendall 110 145.5 145.54
Will Robertson 218 91.3 164 54.2 145.45
Shawn Lechter/Chris Litsey 111 143.8 143.85
Steven Janovici 189 142 142.00
Kyle Baldwin 173 140.8 140.80
Chris Monaco/Joseph Kalinowski 191 140 140.00
Richard Williams 237 70.4 156 67.7 138.09
Justin/Joe Esposito 291 11 121 126.9 137.92
Jing Feng 115 137.1 137.08
Heath Shaffer/Andrew Orozco 265 39.6 139 96.5 136.06
Robert Zidonik 195 136 136.00
Bruce Bevacqua 321 10 189 123.2 133.20
Aaron Smith 118 132.0 132.00
Robert Geise 181 132 132.00
Shane Pullen 223 85.8 169 45.7 131.49
Adam Hollander 194 117.7 189 11.8 129.55
Mark Cappelano 205 126 126.00
Bob Migliozzi 122 125.2 125.23
David Biester 206 125 125.00
Tom Connors 314 17 203 107.8 124.80
Thomas Greenwald 286 45 149 79.5 124.54
Matt Dillon 208 123 123.00
Bryan Anderson/Mike Pellegrino 191 121 121.00
Chris Liss/Peter Schoenke 125 120.2 120.15
Steven Kalfaian 287 44 232 75.9 119.90
Richard Kloppenburg 126 118.5 118.46
Scott Keikoan 245 86 273 30.8 116.80
DERRICK STOUDYMIRE 215 116 116.00
Patrick Gagne 217 114 114.00
Brian Daley 198 113.3 113.30
luigi donofrio 219 112 112.00
Mike Puype/Scott Pickering 220 111 111.00
Dan Fallon 201 110 110.00
Leo Caporale 221 110 110.00
Carl Greer/John Sniezek 222 109 109.00
Mark Pimley 202 108.9 108.90
Thomas Smith/Chris Worstell 297 4.4 135 103.2 107.63
Wallendal/Neumann/Luke LeMaster 224 107 107.00
Steve Glover/Tyler Burgess 133 106.6 106.62
Rick Cordella 134 104.9 104.92
Brian Goldblatt 227 104 104.00
Joe Knecht 208 102.3 102.30
William Jansons 229 102 102.00
Jason Gray 136 101.5 101.54
Jeffrey Glick 232 99 99.00
Erik Konyk 234 97 97.00
Ethan Goodman/Kevin Franz 213 96.8 96.80
jeff prescia 309 22 234 73.7 95.70
Sadighian/Mike Brend 215 94.6 94.60
Robert DeNofrio/Rackliffe 238 93 93.00
William Jansons II 239 92 92.00
Rob Sussman/Jim Sawkins 219 90.2 90.20
Harold Goodman 298 33 275 28.6 180 27.1 88.68
Peter A. Plati III 244 87 87.00
Richard Jones/Bryant Huczko 222 86.9 86.90
John Murphy 225 83.6 83.60
Howard Rubin 147 82.9 82.92
Parnelli Baker 226 82.5 82.50
Steve Gregovich 227 81.4 81.40
Karl E. Dunlop 250 81 81.00
James Fares 253 78 78.00
Scott Newman 254 77 77.00
Eli Grimmett 256 75 75.00
Samuel Price 320 11 243 63.8 74.80
Scott Agler/Jeff Goeke 152 74.5 74.46
Billy McAleer 259 72 72.00
George Acunto 236 71.5 71.50
Edgar Latorre 154 71.1 71.08
Ira Kerker 261 70 70.00
Raymond Freer 155 69.4 69.38
Ed O'Donnell 262 69 69.00
David/Patsy Dean 239 68.2 68.20
Rick Gromek 264 67 67.00
Brant Goldsmith/Vin Birardi 271 33 177 32.2 65.15
Rich Seiferheld/Tommy Hughes 268 63 63.00
Robert Silver 270 61 61.00
Michael McSunas/Bill Strickler 272 59 59.00
Gaetan Lavoie/Zarogiannos 273 58 58.00
Brom Keifitz 162 57.5 57.54
Lance Turbes 250 56.1 56.10
Steve Sinski/Jason Kessler 163 55.8 55.85
Dwight Gross 251 55 55.00
Jerry Sloan 276 55 55.00
Vincent Monaco 277 54 54.00
Anthony Powell/Michael Matthews 252 53.9 53.90
Ryan Houston 278 53 53.00
Kevin Hermsmeier 279 52 52.00
Greg Dunn 254 51.7 51.70
Todd Lammi 280 51 51.00
Roger Dunn 281 50 50.00
Brendan McGovern 256 49.5 49.50
Greg/Phil Glukhovsky 167 49.1 49.08
Daniel Brudnok/Richard Orr 257 48.4 48.40
Chris Surawski/Mark Surawski 284 47 47.00
William Hoffman 261 44 44.00
Charles Marchese 288 43 43.00
Joe Calabrese 171 42.3 42.31
Wayne Barber 289 42 42.00
Matt Yearick 263 41.8 41.80
Cletis Krueger 264 40.7 40.70
Anthony Swain 173 38.9 38.92
Robert Glade 293 38 38.00
Chris Fargis 294 37 37.00
John Bolcato 175 35.5 35.54
anson chan 299 32 32.00
Maurice Gregory, Jr. 300 31 31.00
Michael Miranda 318 13 285 17.6 30.60
Glen Brown 178 30.5 30.46
Scott Heidner/Cody Fulks 316 15 287 15.4 30.40
Bundy Sanders 301 30 30.00
Larry Worthington 274 29.7 29.70
Renco Smilovic 303 28 28.00
Mark Downs 276 27.5 27.50
Edward Mick 296 5.5 183 22.0 27.50
Timothy Stevens 329 2 278 25.3 27.30
Emilio Cutaneo 304 27 27.00
Charles Cart 181 25.4 25.38
Scott Lambie 182 23.7 23.69
Jesse Arvidson 310 21 21.00
Jason Steeves 312 19 19.00
Brad Simpson 284 18.7 18.70
Matthew Berry 185 18.6 18.62
Karl Roessler 313 18 18.00
Glenn Florczak 186 16.9 16.92
Charles Gallagher 187 15.2 15.23
Saro Semeerciyan/Anthony Mirkovic 288 14.3 14.30
Daniel Cox 290 12.1 12.10
Jason Gomberg 319 12 12.00
John Melchiore/Joe Vail 292 9.9 9.90
David Lee 323 8 8.00
Jack Biggs/Ed Stone 324 7 7.00
Jaime Lee 325 6 6.00
David Frishman/Bruce Lindell 326 5 5.00
Jerry Baresich 327 4 4.00
Frank Perez/Jeff Hussert 194 3.4 3.38
Joshua Hermsmeyer 328 3 3.00
Gary Cutler 299 2.2 2.20
A perfect score would be 990.
2005 = 330/300, or 1.1x
2004 = 330/195, or 1.692x
I started with the info from 2006 first, and then backed in partners as I saw fit so that each slot was only scored once.
If anyone knows how to post a web page, let me know so the layout can look much better...
Owner 2006Finish (2006RANK PTS) 2005Finish (2005RANK PTS)2004Finish (2004RANK PTS) 3yrTOTAL
Christopher Stephenson/Andrew Nolan 3 328 22 306.9 18 301.2 936.13
Karl Mische 4 327 47 279.4 9 316.5 922.86
Stephen Jupinka/James Doherty 35 296 19 310.2 10 314.8 920.97
Shawn Childs/Kevin Deckel 102 229 5 325.6 3 326.6 881.22
Joshua Sack 46 285 29 299.2 24 291.1 875.28
John Hogan 14 317 43 283.8 38 267.4 868.18
Joe Thelen/Jim Thelen 67 264 17 312.4 25 289.4 865.78
Eric Price 33 298 67 257.4 14 308.0 863.40
Eric Peden 43 288 87 235.4 6 321.5 844.94
Henry Cantrell Jr. 32 299 81 242 26 287.7 828.69
Rick Thomas/John Perrin 2 329 120 199.1 21 296.2 824.25
Martin Bedell 90 241 3 327.8 53 242.0 810.80
Clark Olson 170 161 11 319 13 309.7 789.69
Mark Janik 47 284 72 251.9 51 245.4 781.28
Charles Gillespie/Brian Rudd 116 215 40 287.1 45 255.5 757.64
Kevin Rogers/Kevin Moss 194 137 16 313.5 23 292.8 743.27
Kenneth Norred 37 294 93 228.8 66 220.0 742.80
Korey Gardner 19 312 108 212.3 72 209.8 734.15
Jeff Thomas 181 150 68 256.3 5 323.2 729.53
Scott Zeidman 115 216 130 188.1 12 311.4 715.48
William Tyrer 57 274 79 244.2 84 189.5 707.74
Pat DePirro 6 325 206 104.5 35 272.5 701.96
Ari Benjamin 109 222 156 159.5 8 318.2 699.65
Brian Oldenski 180 151 1 330 69 214.9 695.92
Brett Washburn 30 301 199 112.2 31 279.2 692.43
Eddie Gillis/O'Hare 173 158 77 246.4 30 280.9 685.32
Jay Pobis/Win Murray 89 242 39 288.2 107 150.6 680.82
Emmett Ruland 74 257 73 250.8 94 172.6 680.42
Todd Nord 15 316 164 150.7 74 206.5 673.16
Terrence Haney 125 206 176 137.5 4 324.9 668.42
Leonello Savo, Jr 105 226 25 303.6 120 128.6 658.22
Rich Verost 103 228 41 286 112 142.2 656.15
David Cushard 243 88 57 268.4 19 299.5 655.94
Douglas Jaffe 62 269 9 321.2 158 64.3 654.51
Mike O'Connor 128 203 170 144.1 16 304.6 651.72
Mark Srebro 106 225 74 249.7 93 174.3 649.01
Rey Diaz 24 307 35 292.6 168 47.4 646.98
Lance Goebel 140 191 129 189.2 41 262.3 642.51
Paul Weber 155 176 94 227.7 57 235.2 638.93
Norm Kent 29 302 180 133.1 76 203.1 638.18
Kenneth Magner 179 152 107 213.4 36 270.8 636.17
Aaron Seefeldt 167 164 174 139.7 2 328.3 632.01
George Kleemann 201 130 102 218.9 29 282.6 631.52
Brent Grooms 9 322 20 309.1 631.10
Gerry Scotto Di Marco 48 283 122 196.9 109 147.2 627.13
Mark Yagan 295 36 4 326.7 43 258.9 621.62
Richard Bales, Jr./Debbie Bates 13 318 26 302.5 620.50
Bradley Shairson 246 85 42 284.9 48 250.5 620.36
Kevin Grady 42 289 279 24.2 20 297.8 611.05
Artie Rastelli 285 46 89 233.2 1 330.0 609.20
Glenn Schroter/Hogan 21 310 151 165 117 133.7 608.69
Joseph Anello 25 306 30 298.1 604.10
Boaz Levy 171 160 111 209 60 230.2 599.15
Gregory Morgan/Dale Morgan 10 321 259 46.2 59 231.8 599.05
Michael Samuels 96 235 126 192.5 98 165.8 593.35
Joe Martino 5 326 61 264 590.00
Gene McCaffrey 40 291 139 178.2 127 116.8 585.97
Albert Petit 61 270 14 315.7 585.70
David DiDonato 1 330 70 254.1 584.10
Mike Ladd 258 73 53 272.8 56 236.9 582.72
Leonard Ringle 169 162 197 114.4 15 306.3 582.71
Phillip McDonald 190 141 178 135.3 17 302.9 579.22
David Deterra 7 324 71 253 577.00
Dan Kenyon 88 243 2 328.9 571.90
Dave Clum 65 266 24 304.7 570.70
Michael Lewis 81 250 244 62.7 44 257.2 569.93
Jeff Dobies 158 173 52 273.9 124 121.8 568.75
Kevin Forman 49 282 46 280.5 562.50
Perry Van Hook 120 211 185 127.6 68 216.6 555.22
Lewis Lipsey 135 196 62 262.9 140 94.8 553.67
Chris Plouffe 63 268 100 221.1 159 62.6 551.72
Brian Zirlin 12 319 91 231 550.00
Salvatore Vella 126 205 240 67.1 34 274.2 546.25
David Van Der Stuyf 31 300 80 243.1 543.10
Nate Ravitz 165 166 6 324.5 166 50.8 541.27
Dohn Terrell Jr. 143 188 48 278.3 153 72.8 539.07
Michael Kleemann 59 272 60 265.1 537.10
Jason Aberli 101 230 32 295.9 525.90
Jeff Peters 131 200 8 322.3 522.30
Donn Johnson 66 265 149 167.2 144 88.0 520.20
Steve Pletkin/Alex Pletkin 39 292 101 220 512.00
David Longood 196 135 31 297 150 77.8 509.85
John Wojtowicz 92 239 56 269.5 508.50
Sandi Kleemann 17 314 125 193.6 507.60
Hojin Kyung 251 80 51 275 108 148.9 503.92
David Conkey/Matthew Snoga 36 295 112 207.9 502.90
Kent Stermon/Roth 148 183 15 314.6 497.60
Erik Sudigala/Phillip Hurst 124 207 37 290.4 497.40
Steven Tavoso 129 202 34 293.7 495.70
Brian Oakchunas 52 279 105 215.6 494.60
Laurence Edelman 257 74 69 255.2 101 160.8 489.97
John Piontek 63 261.8 62 226.8 488.57
Michael Caputo 163 168 12 317.9 485.90
Larry Lensak 38 293 127 191.4 484.40
Joseph Monaco 134 197 44 282.7 479.70
Scott Monroe/Ray Murphy 267 64 144 172.7 54 240.3 477.01
Lindy Hinkelman 86 245 92 229.9 474.90
Nestor Solamillos 93 238 86 236.5 474.50
John Menna 282 49 38 289.3 116 135.4 473.68
Marvin Breese 55 276 123 195.8 471.80
Brian Walton 242 89 238 69.3 11 313.1 471.38
Larry Schechter 54 277 128 190.3 467.30
Nathan Tennessen/Speakman 98 233 88 234.3 467.30
Howard Markowitz 202 129 200 111.1 64 223.4 463.48
James Vassallo/Chris Schinker 306 25 97 224.4 70 213.2 462.63
Chris Schinker/James Vassallo 117 214 75 248.6 462.60
Joe Mullins 193 138 13 316.8 454.80
Jay Bufis 266 65 28 300.3 145 86.3 451.61
Kevin Bass/Rick Parker 50 281 147 169.4 450.40
Ken Skrocki 123 208 83 239.8 447.80
Robert Jurney 41 290 160 155.1 445.10
Steve Keiran 107 224 103 217.8 441.80
Tim Scanlan/Cox 192 139 27 301.4 440.40
Michael Cameron/Ron Spurgeon 235 96 7 323.4 184 20.3 439.71
Henry Tang 56 275 152 163.9 438.90
Stanley Kaye 172 159 298 3.3 33 275.8 438.15
John Oh! No! 203 128 21 308 436.00
Jim Ferrari 84 247 131 187 434.00
Dick Van Fleet 28 303 183 129.8 432.80
Peter Lukowicz/Brian Lukowicz 200 131 188 124.3 92 176.0 431.30
John Swol 231 100 10 320.1 190 10.2 430.25
James Cummings 58 273 262 42.9 130 111.7 427.59
Jace Reed 118 213 106 214.5 427.50
John Rundle 182 149 177 136.4 113 140.5 425.86
Wayne Edwards 207 124 209 101.2 79 198.0 423.20
Rob Maysey/Greg Masters 108 223 121 198 421.00
Jack Lyons/Patrick Lyons 297 34 54 271.7 128 115.1 420.78
Scott Gunaca/Mike Williams 90 232.1 89 181.1 413.18
Chris Goudey 197 134 50 276.1 410.10
Tom Lord 18 313 216 93.5 406.50
Bob Ashmen 168 163 82 240.9 403.90
Sharon Williams 291 40 140 177.1 86 186.2 403.25
Rick Kanfer 315 16 195 116.6 37 269.1 401.68
Matthew Ross 265 66 36 291.5 170 44.0 401.50
dominic cirigliano 241 90 117 202.4 132 108.3 400.71
Terry Kent/Thomas Wachter 78 245.3 106 152.3 397.61
Eric Pallotti 218 113 28 284.3 397.31
Chad Meyer 171 143 46 253.8 396.85
Mike Duggan 216 115 49 277.2 392.20
Todd Zola 156 175 113 206.8 191 8.5 390.26
Chad Silver 247 84 23 305.8 389.80
Jason Kass 236 95 22 294.5 389.46
David Zwickel 212 119 119 200.2 157 66.0 385.20
Jim Ruland 245 61.6 7 319.8 381.45
Michael Edelman 204 127 76 247.5 193 5.1 379.58
Brian Zeid 79 252 217 92.4 176 33.8 378.25
OConnell James 34 297 228 80.3 377.30
Emo Bonaminio 45 286 224 84.7 370.70
Steve Wells 187 144 281 22 78 199.7 365.69
Rob Coffee 233 98 59 266.2 364.20
Jeremy Chen 138 179.3 87 184.5 363.76
Bruce Lev 151 180 134 183.7 363.70
Joseph Treffiletti 237 94 58 267.3 361.30
Bruce Barnard/Joe Arrington 137 194 220 89.1 151 76.2 359.25
Eric Albright/David Shoup 176 155 118 201.3 356.30
Keith Yoshimura 160 171 133 184.8 355.80
Larry Katz 221 88 40 264.0 352.00
Doug McCready/Charles Bennett 150 181 204 106.7 160 60.9 348.62
John Crane 226 105 182 130.9 131 110.0 345.90
Mike Wheeler 157 174 145 171.6 345.60
Ron Kraus 133 198 167 147.4 345.40
Scott Renda 247 59.4 27 286.0 345.40
Vern Neumann/Jacob Wallendal 166 148.5 81 194.6 343.12
James Hoffstetter 302 29 241 66 52 243.7 338.69
Charles Levitz/Richard Gordon 161 170 148 168.3 338.30
KJ Duke 228 103 136 181.5 165 52.5 336.96
Wilbur Soto 174 157 193 118.8 161 59.2 335.03
Lenny Diveglio 271 60 196 115.5 103 157.4 332.88
Don Mathis/Judy Mathis 188 143 248 58.3 119 130.3 331.61
Ed Garcia 11 320 294 7.7 327.70
Lopi Asch 8 323 323.00
Jesse Herron/Frank Herron/Dustin Ashby 274 57 66 258.5 315.50
J.T. Visco/Vince Kremer 263 68 161 154 141 93.1 315.08
Gino Yu 16 315 315.00
Kenneth Gray 18 311.3 311.30
Andre Bourcier 20 311 311.00
Duke Viveros/Perry Mullin 198 133 141 176 309.00
matt mickle/Leo Pannisco 22 309 309.00
Dave Kerpen/Andy Kaufmann 23 308 308.00
Chris Throop/R.T. Davis 99 232 233 74.8 306.80
Jeff Cooper 296 35 55 270.6 305.60
Jared Eagle/Brian Eagle 26 305 305.00
Jeff Tudor 27 304 304.00
Chris Beeler 252 79 98 223.3 302.30
Dave Gawron 268 36.3 39 265.7 301.99
Michael Fishman 158 157.3 114 138.8 296.07
Neil Caracciolo 230 101 124 194.7 295.70
Randy Barbour 317 14 45 281.6 295.60
David Lionetti 33 294.8 294.80
Rich Sutton 147 184 205 105.6 289.60
Rob Conti 255 76 249 57.2 104 155.7 288.89
Chris Jones 269 35.2 47 252.2 287.35
Gregg Janoff 44 287 287.00
Michael Bozzi/Duponte 51 280 280.00
Joe Kruk 53 278 278.00
Jeff Howard 32 277.5 277.54
Herbert Eroh, II 211 120 159 156.2 276.20
Jake Rie/George Vagelakos 277 26.4 50 247.1 273.48
Terry Passalacqua 60 271 271.00
Scott Fleming 207 103.4 97 167.5 270.94
Stephen Ranaghan 225 106 153 162.8 268.80
Scott Stauffer 311 20 49 248.8 268.77
Bill Alexiou/Lee Caporale 64 267 267.00
Ron Ludwin/Dave D'Vorehak/Billy Johnson 290 41 96 225.5 266.50
Paul LeMarbre 112 219 260 45.1 264.10
Francis Boccia/Mark Plimley 68 263 263.00
Kyle Pope/Anderson/Bradley Miller 69 262 262.00
David Alfaro 292 39 99 222.2 261.20
Derek Briggs/Angelo Mourelatos 70 261 261.00
Ian Rule 64 260.7 260.70
Keith Gulian/Andy Mullet 42 260.6 260.62
Jeff Edwards 71 260 260.00
Dan Fenwick/Ken Jakubek 65 259.6 259.60
Jesse Herron 305 26 58 233.5 259.54
Alan Salem 72 259 259.00
Robert Nikc 73 258 258.00
Evan Satinoff/Dan Satinoff 75 256 256.00
David Geisinger 76 255 255.00
Brad Thibodeaux 77 254 254.00
Bob Steiner 78 253 253.00
Jason Krieger/Clinton Svoboda 280 23.1 61 228.5 251.56
Schwartz/Zac Staples 80 251 251.00
Michael Lins 248 83 150 166.1 249.10
Scott Richman/Daniel Heath 82 249 249.00
joseph petit 83 248 248.00
William Burak 223 108 175 138.6 246.60
Dana Harvey/Steve Melillo 210 121 187 125.4 246.40
Brett Goldblatt 85 246 246.00
Steve Kraut 253 52.8 82 192.9 245.72
Andrew Fiore 87 244 244.00
Matt Pike 192 119.9 123 123.5 243.44
Gerard Venezia 136 195 258 47.3 242.30
Edward Nolan 162 169 235 72.6 241.60
Mike Savaria 91 240 240.00
Jason Root 84 238.7 238.70
Larry Chielli 55 238.6 238.62
Jim Schumacher 127 204 270 34.1 238.10
Vin Lostocco 85 237.6 237.60
Carlos Barrionuevo 94 237 237.00
Tim Williams/Stephen Fiore 95 236 236.00
George Beason 186 145 231 77 188 13.5 235.54
Nick Cole 97 234 234.00
Adam Koplan 308 23 110 210.1 233.10
Nick Cassavetes 100 231 231.00
Gary Cowham/Scott Pezzola 242 64.9 99 164.2 229.05
Joseph Saporito/Christopher McGowan 95 226.6 195 1.7 228.29
Bob Mazur 104 227 227.00
Matthew Fleming 63 225.1 225.08
John Zaleski 249 82 172 141.9 223.90
Michael Zukowski 141 190 272 31.9 221.90
Tony Silva/Troy Agler 65 221.7 221.69
Charles Papenfus 266 38.5 88 182.8 221.27
Jules McLean 110 221 221.00
John S. Longo/Christopher Longo 111 220 220.00
David Fox 67 218.3 218.31
Marc Meltzer 113 218 218.00
Jeffrey Magid 114 217 217.00
Stephen Perrella/Joseph Palombini 104 216.7 216.70
Mark Lally/Daryl Williams 210 100.1 129 113.4 213.48
John Dean 240 91 267 37.4 146 84.6 213.02
Doug Moore 214 117 214 95.7 212.70
Joshua Turin/David Allen 119 212 212.00
Alexander Hayden 71 211.5 211.54
Richard Lepow/Todd Lepow 109 211.2 211.20
Lori Rubinson 121 210 210.00
Josh Jantas 122 209 209.00
Christopher Hyden 73 208.2 208.15
Dan Mitlof/Gary Ottmanelli 114 205.7 205.70
Carl Lampley 75 204.8 204.77
Paul Roberts Jr. 115 204.6 204.60
William Beausoleil/Steve McGarry 116 203.5 203.50
David Bowen/Scott Jordan 190 122.1 148 81.2 203.33
Matt Hickok 146 185 286 16.5 201.50
Roger Miloti 77 201.4 201.38
Linda Lepow 130 201 201.00
Scott Simonetti 283 48 162 152.9 200.90
Kelly Uganski 209 122 230 78.1 200.10
Scott Silberfein 260 71 184 128.7 199.70
Michael Aday 322 9 154 161.7 179 28.8 199.47
John Pausma 132 199 199.00
Vincent Marcone 213 118 229 79.2 197.20
Patrick Tremaglio/Kevin Sullivan 211 99 138 98.2 197.15
Nathan Noy 80 196.3 196.31
Jim Christie 138 193 193.00
Douglas Lukas/Bonnie Lambert 152 179 289 13.2 192.20
Dave Dvorchak 139 192 192.00
Bennett Fischthal 83 191.2 191.23
Geoff Sullivan 142 189 189.00
Jon Engstrom 85 187.8 187.85
James Bores 307 24 300 1.1 100 162.5 187.56
Ream Lazaro 144 187 187.00
Brian Brandt 145 186 186.00
Paul Sidikman 132 185.9 185.90
Jeffrey Price 330 1 169 145.2 174 37.2 183.43
Joe Passaro 135 182.6 182.60
Jeff Kratz 149 182 182.00
Michael Pisano 142 174.9 192 6.8 181.67
Jason Novak/Nick Chakiris 137 180.4 180.40
Ken Bayes 90 179.4 179.38
Chris Hill 153 178 178.00
Phillip Barto 91 177.7 177.69
Enrique Castillo 154 177 177.00
Richard Kidd/John Vagelatos 175 156 282 20.9 176.90
David O'Connor/Scott Stauffer 143 173.8 173.80
Kevin Deckel 159 172 172.00
Al Riccobono 95 170.9 170.92
John Zimnox 146 170.5 170.50
Donald Haworth 96 169.2 169.23
Michael Warren 186 126.5 172 40.6 167.12
Robert FitzGerald 164 167 167.00
Don Drooker 166 165 165.00
Andrew Robinson/Sal Defilippo 155 160.6 160.60
Bobby Brendler 177 154 295 6.6 160.60
Yoni Bornstein/Sammy Zahler 102 159.1 159.08
Rick Pleiss/Dennis Purdy 157 158.4 158.40
Alan Alpers 105 154.0 154.00
Chris Rastelli 275 56 212 97.9 153.90
Jeffrey Rackliffe/Rackliffe 269 62 142 91.4 153.38
Kevin Kirves 178 153 153.00
Scott Masel 162 152.9 152.90
Sean Brinlee 199 331 179 134.2 465.20
Joey Liner/Lee Pollak 255 50.6 137 99.8 150.45
Andy Shane 246 60.5 143 89.7 150.19
Bob Snyder 165 149.6 149.60
Brian Feldman 183 148 148.00
Joe Beato 184 147 147.00
Mike Minotti 168 146.3 146.30
Donald Mezick 185 146 146.00
Chris Deffendall 110 145.5 145.54
Will Robertson 218 91.3 164 54.2 145.45
Shawn Lechter/Chris Litsey 111 143.8 143.85
Steven Janovici 189 142 142.00
Kyle Baldwin 173 140.8 140.80
Chris Monaco/Joseph Kalinowski 191 140 140.00
Richard Williams 237 70.4 156 67.7 138.09
Justin/Joe Esposito 291 11 121 126.9 137.92
Jing Feng 115 137.1 137.08
Heath Shaffer/Andrew Orozco 265 39.6 139 96.5 136.06
Robert Zidonik 195 136 136.00
Bruce Bevacqua 321 10 189 123.2 133.20
Aaron Smith 118 132.0 132.00
Robert Geise 181 132 132.00
Shane Pullen 223 85.8 169 45.7 131.49
Adam Hollander 194 117.7 189 11.8 129.55
Mark Cappelano 205 126 126.00
Bob Migliozzi 122 125.2 125.23
David Biester 206 125 125.00
Tom Connors 314 17 203 107.8 124.80
Thomas Greenwald 286 45 149 79.5 124.54
Matt Dillon 208 123 123.00
Bryan Anderson/Mike Pellegrino 191 121 121.00
Chris Liss/Peter Schoenke 125 120.2 120.15
Steven Kalfaian 287 44 232 75.9 119.90
Richard Kloppenburg 126 118.5 118.46
Scott Keikoan 245 86 273 30.8 116.80
DERRICK STOUDYMIRE 215 116 116.00
Patrick Gagne 217 114 114.00
Brian Daley 198 113.3 113.30
luigi donofrio 219 112 112.00
Mike Puype/Scott Pickering 220 111 111.00
Dan Fallon 201 110 110.00
Leo Caporale 221 110 110.00
Carl Greer/John Sniezek 222 109 109.00
Mark Pimley 202 108.9 108.90
Thomas Smith/Chris Worstell 297 4.4 135 103.2 107.63
Wallendal/Neumann/Luke LeMaster 224 107 107.00
Steve Glover/Tyler Burgess 133 106.6 106.62
Rick Cordella 134 104.9 104.92
Brian Goldblatt 227 104 104.00
Joe Knecht 208 102.3 102.30
William Jansons 229 102 102.00
Jason Gray 136 101.5 101.54
Jeffrey Glick 232 99 99.00
Erik Konyk 234 97 97.00
Ethan Goodman/Kevin Franz 213 96.8 96.80
jeff prescia 309 22 234 73.7 95.70
Sadighian/Mike Brend 215 94.6 94.60
Robert DeNofrio/Rackliffe 238 93 93.00
William Jansons II 239 92 92.00
Rob Sussman/Jim Sawkins 219 90.2 90.20
Harold Goodman 298 33 275 28.6 180 27.1 88.68
Peter A. Plati III 244 87 87.00
Richard Jones/Bryant Huczko 222 86.9 86.90
John Murphy 225 83.6 83.60
Howard Rubin 147 82.9 82.92
Parnelli Baker 226 82.5 82.50
Steve Gregovich 227 81.4 81.40
Karl E. Dunlop 250 81 81.00
James Fares 253 78 78.00
Scott Newman 254 77 77.00
Eli Grimmett 256 75 75.00
Samuel Price 320 11 243 63.8 74.80
Scott Agler/Jeff Goeke 152 74.5 74.46
Billy McAleer 259 72 72.00
George Acunto 236 71.5 71.50
Edgar Latorre 154 71.1 71.08
Ira Kerker 261 70 70.00
Raymond Freer 155 69.4 69.38
Ed O'Donnell 262 69 69.00
David/Patsy Dean 239 68.2 68.20
Rick Gromek 264 67 67.00
Brant Goldsmith/Vin Birardi 271 33 177 32.2 65.15
Rich Seiferheld/Tommy Hughes 268 63 63.00
Robert Silver 270 61 61.00
Michael McSunas/Bill Strickler 272 59 59.00
Gaetan Lavoie/Zarogiannos 273 58 58.00
Brom Keifitz 162 57.5 57.54
Lance Turbes 250 56.1 56.10
Steve Sinski/Jason Kessler 163 55.8 55.85
Dwight Gross 251 55 55.00
Jerry Sloan 276 55 55.00
Vincent Monaco 277 54 54.00
Anthony Powell/Michael Matthews 252 53.9 53.90
Ryan Houston 278 53 53.00
Kevin Hermsmeier 279 52 52.00
Greg Dunn 254 51.7 51.70
Todd Lammi 280 51 51.00
Roger Dunn 281 50 50.00
Brendan McGovern 256 49.5 49.50
Greg/Phil Glukhovsky 167 49.1 49.08
Daniel Brudnok/Richard Orr 257 48.4 48.40
Chris Surawski/Mark Surawski 284 47 47.00
William Hoffman 261 44 44.00
Charles Marchese 288 43 43.00
Joe Calabrese 171 42.3 42.31
Wayne Barber 289 42 42.00
Matt Yearick 263 41.8 41.80
Cletis Krueger 264 40.7 40.70
Anthony Swain 173 38.9 38.92
Robert Glade 293 38 38.00
Chris Fargis 294 37 37.00
John Bolcato 175 35.5 35.54
anson chan 299 32 32.00
Maurice Gregory, Jr. 300 31 31.00
Michael Miranda 318 13 285 17.6 30.60
Glen Brown 178 30.5 30.46
Scott Heidner/Cody Fulks 316 15 287 15.4 30.40
Bundy Sanders 301 30 30.00
Larry Worthington 274 29.7 29.70
Renco Smilovic 303 28 28.00
Mark Downs 276 27.5 27.50
Edward Mick 296 5.5 183 22.0 27.50
Timothy Stevens 329 2 278 25.3 27.30
Emilio Cutaneo 304 27 27.00
Charles Cart 181 25.4 25.38
Scott Lambie 182 23.7 23.69
Jesse Arvidson 310 21 21.00
Jason Steeves 312 19 19.00
Brad Simpson 284 18.7 18.70
Matthew Berry 185 18.6 18.62
Karl Roessler 313 18 18.00
Glenn Florczak 186 16.9 16.92
Charles Gallagher 187 15.2 15.23
Saro Semeerciyan/Anthony Mirkovic 288 14.3 14.30
Daniel Cox 290 12.1 12.10
Jason Gomberg 319 12 12.00
John Melchiore/Joe Vail 292 9.9 9.90
David Lee 323 8 8.00
Jack Biggs/Ed Stone 324 7 7.00
Jaime Lee 325 6 6.00
David Frishman/Bruce Lindell 326 5 5.00
Jerry Baresich 327 4 4.00
Frank Perez/Jeff Hussert 194 3.4 3.38
Joshua Hermsmeyer 328 3 3.00
Gary Cutler 299 2.2 2.20
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Lifetime Standings
I would be interested in seeing KJ's list with the 2005 2nd/3rd place lge winners updated. With his first post suggesting this I didn't agree but after reading the rest of his posts I think there is something to it.
Plus, given the fact that since I was in so many satellites last year, once I knew I was "out of it" in the Main Event I gave up focus on that league in order to concentrate on the sats that I was still competitive in, my overall standing for last year and therefore my Lifetime Standing plummeted 
Plus, given the fact that since I was in so many satellites last year, once I knew I was "out of it" in the Main Event I gave up focus on that league in order to concentrate on the sats that I was still competitive in, my overall standing for last year and therefore my Lifetime Standing plummeted
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I am missing the 2nd and 3rd place winners from these leagues in 2005:
$1,000 MID-SEASON LEAGUE 1
$1,000 MID-SEASON LEAGUE 2
$100 MID-SEASON AUCTION LEAGUE
$100 MID-SEASON LEAGUE A
$100 MID-SEASON LEAGUE B
$250 MID-SEASON LEAGUE
$500 MID-SEASON LEAGUE
CHICAGO 1
CHICAGO 2
CHICAGO 3
CHICAGO 4
LAS VEGAS $1,250 AL AUCTION LEAGUE 3
LAS VEGAS $1,250 NL AUCTION LEAGUE 1
LAS VEGAS $1,250 NL AUCTION LEAGUE 2
LAS VEGAS 1
LAS VEGAS 2
LAS VEGAS 3
LAS VEGAS 4
LAS VEGAS 5
LAS VEGAS 6
LAS VEGAS 7
LAS VEGAS 8
LAS VEGAS 9
LAS VEGAS AL AUCTION LEAGUE
LAS VEGAS MIXED AUCTION LEAGUE 1
LAS VEGAS MIXED AUCTION LEAGUE 2
LAS VEGAS NL AUCTION LEAGUE
NEW YORK 1
NEW YORK 2
NEW YORK 3
NEW YORK 3
NEW YORK 3
NEW YORK 4
NEW YORK 5
NEW YORK 6
NEW YORK 7
NEW YORK AL AUCTION LEAGUE
NEW YORK/CHICAGO MIXED AUCTION LEAGUE
NEW YORK/CHICAGO NL AUCTION LEAGUE
ULTIMATE AUCTION
ULTIMATE DRAFT
I have the other 275 winners in a spreadsheet by year, league, finish, lge LCS pts and total LCS pts. As for co-managers in the standings, I would think the primary manager only should be listed if one of the partners does virtually all of the decision-making, if there is a substantial sharing of duties both players should be listed.
[ January 09, 2007, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
$1,000 MID-SEASON LEAGUE 1
$1,000 MID-SEASON LEAGUE 2
$100 MID-SEASON AUCTION LEAGUE
$100 MID-SEASON LEAGUE A
$100 MID-SEASON LEAGUE B
$250 MID-SEASON LEAGUE
$500 MID-SEASON LEAGUE
CHICAGO 1
CHICAGO 2
CHICAGO 3
CHICAGO 4
LAS VEGAS $1,250 AL AUCTION LEAGUE 3
LAS VEGAS $1,250 NL AUCTION LEAGUE 1
LAS VEGAS $1,250 NL AUCTION LEAGUE 2
LAS VEGAS 1
LAS VEGAS 2
LAS VEGAS 3
LAS VEGAS 4
LAS VEGAS 5
LAS VEGAS 6
LAS VEGAS 7
LAS VEGAS 8
LAS VEGAS 9
LAS VEGAS AL AUCTION LEAGUE
LAS VEGAS MIXED AUCTION LEAGUE 1
LAS VEGAS MIXED AUCTION LEAGUE 2
LAS VEGAS NL AUCTION LEAGUE
NEW YORK 1
NEW YORK 2
NEW YORK 3
NEW YORK 3
NEW YORK 3
NEW YORK 4
NEW YORK 5
NEW YORK 6
NEW YORK 7
NEW YORK AL AUCTION LEAGUE
NEW YORK/CHICAGO MIXED AUCTION LEAGUE
NEW YORK/CHICAGO NL AUCTION LEAGUE
ULTIMATE AUCTION
ULTIMATE DRAFT
I have the other 275 winners in a spreadsheet by year, league, finish, lge LCS pts and total LCS pts. As for co-managers in the standings, I would think the primary manager only should be listed if one of the partners does virtually all of the decision-making, if there is a substantial sharing of duties both players should be listed.
[ January 09, 2007, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
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Greg,
I think the problem with giving point total for each year is the following...
Say Player A plays for 5 years, each year, he averages 100 overall. If you inverse the points so that 1st gets 300 points, 2nd gets 299, etc, this player would have about 1,000 points...
Players B plays 2 seasons and finishes 1st and 3rd overall. He gets 300 and 298 points, for a total of 598.
Does that make player A better? NO, just shows he entered more. I agree with an average system, with a minimum of 2 or 3 years (probably 2) or use a point system, like someone suggested, where you get points for accumulated wins, etc.
PS - Gekko, please stop filling these message boards with comments of your surprise year, 2007 will be the year I break out...those drafting in Vegas can take it to the bank!
I think the problem with giving point total for each year is the following...
Say Player A plays for 5 years, each year, he averages 100 overall. If you inverse the points so that 1st gets 300 points, 2nd gets 299, etc, this player would have about 1,000 points...
Players B plays 2 seasons and finishes 1st and 3rd overall. He gets 300 and 298 points, for a total of 598.
Does that make player A better? NO, just shows he entered more. I agree with an average system, with a minimum of 2 or 3 years (probably 2) or use a point system, like someone suggested, where you get points for accumulated wins, etc.
PS - Gekko, please stop filling these message boards with comments of your surprise year, 2007 will be the year I break out...those drafting in Vegas can take it to the bank!
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Originally posted by poopy tooth:
Greg,
I think the problem with giving point total for each year is the following...
Say Player A plays for 5 years, each year, he averages 100 overall. If you inverse the points so that 1st gets 300 points, 2nd gets 299, etc, this player would have about 1,000 points...
Players B plays 2 seasons and finishes 1st and 3rd overall. He gets 300 and 298 points, for a total of 598.
Does that make player A better? NO, just shows he entered more. I agree with an average system, with a minimum of 2 or 3 years (probably 2) or use a point system, like someone suggested, where you get points for accumulated wins, etc.
PS - Gekko, please stop filling these message boards with comments of your surprise year, 2007 will be the year I break out...those drafting in Vegas can take it to the bank! Two lists should be kept.
1) then one I posted so that anyone can see an "all-time" list
2) a list of those that have appeared in 50% of the main events or more. Right now that number is 1.5, so it would have to be 2 years right now.
There is something to be said for someone that is in the main every year and finishes in the Top 50 or 100. I'm going to color code Top 50 and Top 100 finishes for the final web page.
Greg,
I think the problem with giving point total for each year is the following...
Say Player A plays for 5 years, each year, he averages 100 overall. If you inverse the points so that 1st gets 300 points, 2nd gets 299, etc, this player would have about 1,000 points...
Players B plays 2 seasons and finishes 1st and 3rd overall. He gets 300 and 298 points, for a total of 598.
Does that make player A better? NO, just shows he entered more. I agree with an average system, with a minimum of 2 or 3 years (probably 2) or use a point system, like someone suggested, where you get points for accumulated wins, etc.
PS - Gekko, please stop filling these message boards with comments of your surprise year, 2007 will be the year I break out...those drafting in Vegas can take it to the bank!
Two lists should be kept.1) then one I posted so that anyone can see an "all-time" list
2) a list of those that have appeared in 50% of the main events or more. Right now that number is 1.5, so it would have to be 2 years right now.
There is something to be said for someone that is in the main every year and finishes in the Top 50 or 100. I'm going to color code Top 50 and Top 100 finishes for the final web page.