Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by Jackstraw:
Under the current state of things though, no moves other than the Monday lineup transaction is the only idea that doesn't create loopholes and arguments.
Seriously guys, any rule that has restrictions that disallows some of the players to use it is a bad rule. You either have to open Pandora's box completely or keep it shut. The only thing changing position players on Friday and leaving the dl in effect for pitchers, is changing position players on Friday. That rule is not too hard to grasp. [/QUOTE]I agree. But only setting your lineup on Monday is even easier to grasp. Also, being able to change anyone whether pitcher or hitter is easier to grasp.
You know you left me hanging. I asked about an explanation of how streaming pitchers would occur under your suggestion. You responded with a question, which I answered. Where's your answer? Unlike KJ, I AM willing to compromise
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Originally posted by Jackstraw:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Walla Walla:
KJ, Show me the numbers. Not posts but the numbers. Look at the poll Walla.
20% favor no DL rule, 80% favor something else. [/QUOTE]54% prefer staying the same or going backwards. [/QUOTE]Jackstraw, 95% of people either love or hate Hilary Clinton. I think AdolphHitler gets about the same number. It kinda matters how you group them together.
[ May 05, 2009, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by Walla Walla:
KJ, Show me the numbers. Not posts but the numbers. Look at the poll Walla.
20% favor no DL rule, 80% favor something else. [/QUOTE]54% prefer staying the same or going backwards. [/QUOTE]Jackstraw, 95% of people either love or hate Hilary Clinton. I think AdolphHitler gets about the same number. It kinda matters how you group them together.
[ May 05, 2009, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
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I could be swayed to vote for pitchers being streamed. I'm not adamently against it. For the sake of these proposed rule changes though, I think there are alot of folks that are alot more opposed to streaming than I.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
I know you were taking to Lance, but I won't roll my eyes. It's a good solution. However, I feel the best solution and compromise now is the position players change on Friday and keeping the dl for pitchers.
Its a little between my plan and yours and, imo, better than what we have now. I think if any of these plans has a chance of succeeding that we'd have to get behind one of them and put it to a vote, mano a mano.
After seeing all the feedback and votes, this plan has the best chance of succeeding. If Greg stands to lose 10% of his league count in satellites, do you still think its the best solution?
I know there is an underlying assumption to answering that question, but I'd still like to hear your answer. [/QUOTE]Your unwillingness to compromise baffles me. I can't answer your question. You've pulled figures out of mid-air and assume that is the way it'll be. Maybe we will lose a few teams due to people having so many teams and not wanting to change three players instead of one, which doesen't seem like a big deal to me. There could be more people that would rather play with this system making up for YOUR loss. We don't know. [/QUOTE]I'm not at all unwiling to compromise.
I don't know if we'd lose 10%, maybe it would 20% and maybe it would be 0%.
All I'm asking is, "IF" we stand to lose a 10% count in satellites would you think your solution is best, I'm not asking you to accept my estimation. [/QUOTE]It's like asking if Angela Jolie lost 10% of her body, would she still be attractive?
My first question back, would be, which part?
You say there is alot more work involved with three position players over one, I'm not buying it, and alot of other folks aren't buying it as well. A couple of guys who want to shorten their "workload" and have less teams will be more than made up by people who want to play the new version.
Sort of like Angelina lost her foot, but it was replaced and she's no worse for 'wear'. [/QUOTE]OK, but you still haven't answered the question. If I accept your premise rather than mine, I've answered what I think of your option above. I like it, but there are two distinct questions here.
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
I know you were taking to Lance, but I won't roll my eyes. It's a good solution. However, I feel the best solution and compromise now is the position players change on Friday and keeping the dl for pitchers.
Its a little between my plan and yours and, imo, better than what we have now. I think if any of these plans has a chance of succeeding that we'd have to get behind one of them and put it to a vote, mano a mano.
After seeing all the feedback and votes, this plan has the best chance of succeeding. If Greg stands to lose 10% of his league count in satellites, do you still think its the best solution?
I know there is an underlying assumption to answering that question, but I'd still like to hear your answer. [/QUOTE]Your unwillingness to compromise baffles me. I can't answer your question. You've pulled figures out of mid-air and assume that is the way it'll be. Maybe we will lose a few teams due to people having so many teams and not wanting to change three players instead of one, which doesen't seem like a big deal to me. There could be more people that would rather play with this system making up for YOUR loss. We don't know. [/QUOTE]I'm not at all unwiling to compromise.
I don't know if we'd lose 10%, maybe it would 20% and maybe it would be 0%.
All I'm asking is, "IF" we stand to lose a 10% count in satellites would you think your solution is best, I'm not asking you to accept my estimation. [/QUOTE]It's like asking if Angela Jolie lost 10% of her body, would she still be attractive?
My first question back, would be, which part?
You say there is alot more work involved with three position players over one, I'm not buying it, and alot of other folks aren't buying it as well. A couple of guys who want to shorten their "workload" and have less teams will be more than made up by people who want to play the new version.
Sort of like Angelina lost her foot, but it was replaced and she's no worse for 'wear'. [/QUOTE]OK, but you still haven't answered the question. If I accept your premise rather than mine, I've answered what I think of your option above. I like it, but there are two distinct questions here.
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
Sort of like Angelina lost her foot, but it was replaced and she's no worse for 'wear'.
It would if she got the Dempsey model !
Sort of like Angelina lost her foot, but it was replaced and she's no worse for 'wear'.
It would if she got the Dempsey model !
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I do not like KJ's idea of one change per week, as it allows for the streaming of closers and SP and such. Too much of a difference when you open up pitchers to be streamed even more than they are now.
...not to mention teams with actual DL level injuries gain NOTHING over the current setup.
...not to mention teams with actual DL level injuries gain NOTHING over the current setup.
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Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
KJ's idea .... allows for the streaming of closers and SP and such. Too much of a difference when you open up pitchers to be streamed even more than they are now.
It doesn't Lance, I've already addressed the issue of streaming and you are just flat out ignoring that.
[ May 05, 2009, 07:13 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
KJ's idea .... allows for the streaming of closers and SP and such. Too much of a difference when you open up pitchers to be streamed even more than they are now.
It doesn't Lance, I've already addressed the issue of streaming and you are just flat out ignoring that.
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KJ, Nice pitch. The polls say you should buy these stocks. A month later the market crashes. Stupid arguement to say look at the poll. Breaking down a poll. Who ask the question?
2.How is the question answered? 3.Who is answering? 4.Does it represent all players of the NFBC/NBC? The poll is a joke and you know it.
2.How is the question answered? 3.Who is answering? 4.Does it represent all players of the NFBC/NBC? The poll is a joke and you know it.
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Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:
I could be swayed to vote for pitchers being streamed. I'm not adamently against it. For the sake of these proposed rule changes though, I think there are alot of folks that are alot more opposed to streaming than I. That's why I want someone to explain how it will happen. Don't mean to be putting you on the spot by speaking for the masses. I just hear a lot of people crushing ideas with the reason of "I don't like it." I really don't see how streaming would be possible. The FA list is locked away so you are stuck with whoever is on your bench which pretty much effectively eliminates any streaming.
As JohnZ said, any pitchers that you owned who were pitching on Saturday or Sunday would already be in your lineup, except for those that you wanted to avoid an early in the week bad matchup. That would reduce the number of starts that you could get though, not increase them. The only day that I could stream on would be Friday, and how many pitchers would be possible?
I could be swayed to vote for pitchers being streamed. I'm not adamently against it. For the sake of these proposed rule changes though, I think there are alot of folks that are alot more opposed to streaming than I. That's why I want someone to explain how it will happen. Don't mean to be putting you on the spot by speaking for the masses. I just hear a lot of people crushing ideas with the reason of "I don't like it." I really don't see how streaming would be possible. The FA list is locked away so you are stuck with whoever is on your bench which pretty much effectively eliminates any streaming.
As JohnZ said, any pitchers that you owned who were pitching on Saturday or Sunday would already be in your lineup, except for those that you wanted to avoid an early in the week bad matchup. That would reduce the number of starts that you could get though, not increase them. The only day that I could stream on would be Friday, and how many pitchers would be possible?
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
KJ's idea .... allows for the streaming of closers and SP and such. Too much of a difference when you open up pitchers to be streamed even more than they are now.
It doesn't Lance, I've already addressed the issue of streaming and you are just flat out ignoring that. [/QUOTE]C'mon KJ!
Can I swap out my closer after he nailed two saves onMON-THU for a SP who starts on FRI/SAT/SUN under your rule? YES!
Can I change out my SP who got a win on THU and doesn't pitch at all during the weekend for my 2nd or 3rd closer under your rule? YES!
Can I swap out my SP who won on WED for my bench SP who pitches FRI under your rule? YES!
Please. (Don't MAKE me roll the eyes! )
[ May 05, 2009, 07:20 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
KJ's idea .... allows for the streaming of closers and SP and such. Too much of a difference when you open up pitchers to be streamed even more than they are now.
It doesn't Lance, I've already addressed the issue of streaming and you are just flat out ignoring that. [/QUOTE]C'mon KJ!
Can I swap out my closer after he nailed two saves onMON-THU for a SP who starts on FRI/SAT/SUN under your rule? YES!
Can I change out my SP who got a win on THU and doesn't pitch at all during the weekend for my 2nd or 3rd closer under your rule? YES!
Can I swap out my SP who won on WED for my bench SP who pitches FRI under your rule? YES!
Please. (Don't MAKE me roll the eyes!
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Originally posted by Walla Walla:
KJ, Nice pitch. The polls say you should buy these stocks. A month later the market crashes. The poll would have correctly predicted what the majority thought should be done. The poll was not predicting an outcome of investment return, it was estimating what the majority thought and it served its purpose.
In fact, the poll could very well have been a contrarion indicator which would've suggested that you should have shorted the market.
[ May 05, 2009, 07:18 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
KJ, Nice pitch. The polls say you should buy these stocks. A month later the market crashes. The poll would have correctly predicted what the majority thought should be done. The poll was not predicting an outcome of investment return, it was estimating what the majority thought and it served its purpose.
In fact, the poll could very well have been a contrarion indicator which would've suggested that you should have shorted the market.
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Ah, Tom Dempsey....
KJ, the three or four positional players being moved on Friday is not a big deal. The one player being moved on Friday is not a big deal. What is a big deal is the folks making their moves on Friday. Period. When they do that one player, three players for fantasy players its not that big of difference. I feel we GAIN more of an audience with the new rules. Heck, for satelites Greg can put out the once weekly and twice weekly, we're not going to lose customers and we're not going daily.
Folks love working with worst case scenario's. :rolleyes:
KJ, the three or four positional players being moved on Friday is not a big deal. The one player being moved on Friday is not a big deal. What is a big deal is the folks making their moves on Friday. Period. When they do that one player, three players for fantasy players its not that big of difference. I feel we GAIN more of an audience with the new rules. Heck, for satelites Greg can put out the once weekly and twice weekly, we're not going to lose customers and we're not going daily.
Folks love working with worst case scenario's. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
KJ's idea .... allows for the streaming of closers and SP and such. Too much of a difference when you open up pitchers to be streamed even more than they are now.
It doesn't Lance, I've already addressed the issue of streaming and you are just flat out ignoring that. [/QUOTE]Lance, you must be several bottles ahead of me!
Instead of saying I don't like streaming, and especially with closers, tell us how it is going to happen. I can't see any possibilities that will allow it. The bench size is too small (and we could make it even smaller which I would agree with) and the FA list is locked away.
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
KJ's idea .... allows for the streaming of closers and SP and such. Too much of a difference when you open up pitchers to be streamed even more than they are now.
It doesn't Lance, I've already addressed the issue of streaming and you are just flat out ignoring that. [/QUOTE]Lance, you must be several bottles ahead of me!
Instead of saying I don't like streaming, and especially with closers, tell us how it is going to happen. I can't see any possibilities that will allow it. The bench size is too small (and we could make it even smaller which I would agree with) and the FA list is locked away.
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Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
KJ's idea .... allows for the streaming of closers and SP and such. Too much of a difference when you open up pitchers to be streamed even more than they are now.
It doesn't Lance, I've already addressed the issue of streaming and you are just flat out ignoring that. [/QUOTE]C'mon KJ!
Can I change out my closer for a SP who starts on FRI/SAT/SUN under your rule? YES!
Can I change out my SP who got a win of THU and doesn't pitch at all during the weekend for my 3rd closer under your rule? YES!
Can I swap out my SP who pitched on WED for my bench SP who pitches FRI under your rule? YES!
Please. [/QUOTE]First off, you have 3 closers? Congrats on that because there are only 30 closers in a league of 15 teams, which comes out to 2 per team.
You have 26 swap oppotunities. Are you really going to stream your 3rd closer or SP while taking a zero half the time from an injured hitter? I don't buy that Lance.
One move per week will be dispersed among:
- injured batters
- shitty starting pitchers
- relief pitchers
Your streaming of shitty pitchers just won't be a major issue in the context of the overall numbers, and only a handful of teams will be capable of sticking a 3rd closer into the fold and even then the offset will be less SP innings compared to other teams, or less ABs compared to other teams. I'd love for you to manage a team under these conditions to see how often you try streaming your pitchers, and see how big of a difference it makes versus being able to turnover your entire squad twice a week.
[ May 05, 2009, 07:29 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
KJ's idea .... allows for the streaming of closers and SP and such. Too much of a difference when you open up pitchers to be streamed even more than they are now.
It doesn't Lance, I've already addressed the issue of streaming and you are just flat out ignoring that. [/QUOTE]C'mon KJ!
Can I change out my closer for a SP who starts on FRI/SAT/SUN under your rule? YES!
Can I change out my SP who got a win of THU and doesn't pitch at all during the weekend for my 3rd closer under your rule? YES!
Can I swap out my SP who pitched on WED for my bench SP who pitches FRI under your rule? YES!
Please. [/QUOTE]First off, you have 3 closers? Congrats on that because there are only 30 closers in a league of 15 teams, which comes out to 2 per team.
You have 26 swap oppotunities. Are you really going to stream your 3rd closer or SP while taking a zero half the time from an injured hitter? I don't buy that Lance.
One move per week will be dispersed among:
- injured batters
- shitty starting pitchers
- relief pitchers
Your streaming of shitty pitchers just won't be a major issue in the context of the overall numbers, and only a handful of teams will be capable of sticking a 3rd closer into the fold and even then the offset will be less SP innings compared to other teams, or less ABs compared to other teams. I'd love for you to manage a team under these conditions to see how often you try streaming your pitchers, and see how big of a difference it makes versus being able to turnover your entire squad twice a week.
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Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
KJ's idea .... allows for the streaming of closers and SP and such. Too much of a difference when you open up pitchers to be streamed even more than they are now.
It doesn't Lance, I've already addressed the issue of streaming and you are just flat out ignoring that. [/QUOTE]C'mon KJ!
Can I swap out my closer after he nailed two saves onMON-THU for a SP who starts on FRI/SAT/SUN under your rule? YES!
Can I change out my SP who got a win on THU and doesn't pitch at all during the weekend for my 2nd or 3rd closer under your rule? YES!
Can I swap out my SP who won on WED for my bench SP who pitches FRI under your rule? YES!
Please. (Don't MAKE me roll the eyes! ) [/QUOTE]Why would you ever have your closer on the bench anyway? You would need to have a lot of pitchers on your roster for any of these situations to occur.
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
KJ's idea .... allows for the streaming of closers and SP and such. Too much of a difference when you open up pitchers to be streamed even more than they are now.
It doesn't Lance, I've already addressed the issue of streaming and you are just flat out ignoring that. [/QUOTE]C'mon KJ!
Can I swap out my closer after he nailed two saves onMON-THU for a SP who starts on FRI/SAT/SUN under your rule? YES!
Can I change out my SP who got a win on THU and doesn't pitch at all during the weekend for my 2nd or 3rd closer under your rule? YES!
Can I swap out my SP who won on WED for my bench SP who pitches FRI under your rule? YES!
Please. (Don't MAKE me roll the eyes!
) [/QUOTE]Why would you ever have your closer on the bench anyway? You would need to have a lot of pitchers on your roster for any of these situations to occur.George
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I'd bet all I have that 70% or more of the moves would be for pitchers.
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KJ, Not contrarion old fashion. Refused to be swayed by the younger investers with great ideas.
Stuck to the tried and true. The old money are still rich. The new money always loses with thier great new scams.
Stuck to the tried and true. The old money are still rich. The new money always loses with thier great new scams.
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Originally posted by Jackstraw:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
KJ's idea .... allows for the streaming of closers and SP and such. Too much of a difference when you open up pitchers to be streamed even more than they are now.
It doesn't Lance, I've already addressed the issue of streaming and you are just flat out ignoring that. [/QUOTE]C'mon KJ!
Can I swap out my closer after he nailed two saves onMON-THU for a SP who starts on FRI/SAT/SUN under your rule? YES!
Can I change out my SP who got a win on THU and doesn't pitch at all during the weekend for my 2nd or 3rd closer under your rule? YES!
Can I swap out my SP who won on WED for my bench SP who pitches FRI under your rule? YES!
Please. (Don't MAKE me roll the eyes! ) [/QUOTE]Why would you ever have your closer on the bench anyway? You would need to have a lot of pitchers on your roster for any of these situations to occur. [/QUOTE]During weeks with off-days...an extra starter could be worth more than 2 games from a closer with no gaurantee of even getting an appearance. Especially on the weekend.
There are teams all over the NFBC with 3 closers.
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
KJ's idea .... allows for the streaming of closers and SP and such. Too much of a difference when you open up pitchers to be streamed even more than they are now.
It doesn't Lance, I've already addressed the issue of streaming and you are just flat out ignoring that. [/QUOTE]C'mon KJ!
Can I swap out my closer after he nailed two saves onMON-THU for a SP who starts on FRI/SAT/SUN under your rule? YES!
Can I change out my SP who got a win on THU and doesn't pitch at all during the weekend for my 2nd or 3rd closer under your rule? YES!
Can I swap out my SP who won on WED for my bench SP who pitches FRI under your rule? YES!
Please. (Don't MAKE me roll the eyes!
) [/QUOTE]Why would you ever have your closer on the bench anyway? You would need to have a lot of pitchers on your roster for any of these situations to occur. [/QUOTE]During weeks with off-days...an extra starter could be worth more than 2 games from a closer with no gaurantee of even getting an appearance. Especially on the weekend.There are teams all over the NFBC with 3 closers.
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Originally posted by Walla Walla:
KJ, Not contrarion old fashion. Refused to be swayed by the younger investers with great ideas.
Stuck to the tried and true. The old money are still rich. The new money always loses with thier great new scams. Tell that to scroes of Madoff's old money clientele.
KJ, Not contrarion old fashion. Refused to be swayed by the younger investers with great ideas.
Stuck to the tried and true. The old money are still rich. The new money always loses with thier great new scams.
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KJ, They deserved it. They followed the scam and not the old rules. 
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Originally posted by Walla Walla:
KJ, They deserved it. They followed the scam and not the old rules. Every stock market rule, and every black box strategy eventually fails under some market conditions.
Buy and hold large cap stocks worked great for the 18-year bull market thru 2000, but you've gotten a sh** sandwich from that strategy over the last nine years.
KJ, They deserved it. They followed the scam and not the old rules.
Every stock market rule, and every black box strategy eventually fails under some market conditions. Buy and hold large cap stocks worked great for the 18-year bull market thru 2000, but you've gotten a sh** sandwich from that strategy over the last nine years.
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Believe it or not...getting 3 closers rostered is a goal of many NFBC team owners.
"First off, you have 3 closers? Congrats on that because there are only 30 closers in a league of 15 teams, which comes out to 2 per team."
In my ME league alone...
Brian (bjoak)
H. Bell
M. Rivera
B. Zieglar
DenverDan
J. Soria
B. Fuentes
K. Gregg
East Coast Schwag
B. Franklin
B. Marrow
F. Cordero
Fat Tub of Goo
T. Hoffman
T. Percival
J. Papelbon
Hackensack Bulls
F. Rodney
B. Lidge
G. Sherrill/R. Madson
You made me do it... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
"First off, you have 3 closers? Congrats on that because there are only 30 closers in a league of 15 teams, which comes out to 2 per team."
In my ME league alone...
Brian (bjoak)
H. Bell
M. Rivera
B. Zieglar
DenverDan
J. Soria
B. Fuentes
K. Gregg
East Coast Schwag
B. Franklin
B. Marrow
F. Cordero
Fat Tub of Goo
T. Hoffman
T. Percival
J. Papelbon
Hackensack Bulls
F. Rodney
B. Lidge
G. Sherrill/R. Madson
You made me do it... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
quote:Originally posted by Jackstraw:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
KJ's idea .... allows for the streaming of closers and SP and such. Too much of a difference when you open up pitchers to be streamed even more than they are now.
It doesn't Lance, I've already addressed the issue of streaming and you are just flat out ignoring that. [/QUOTE]C'mon KJ!
Can I swap out my closer after he nailed two saves onMON-THU for a SP who starts on FRI/SAT/SUN under your rule? YES!
Can I change out my SP who got a win on THU and doesn't pitch at all during the weekend for my 2nd or 3rd closer under your rule? YES!
Can I swap out my SP who won on WED for my bench SP who pitches FRI under your rule? YES!
Please. (Don't MAKE me roll the eyes! ) [/QUOTE]Why would you ever have your closer on the bench anyway? You would need to have a lot of pitchers on your roster for any of these situations to occur. [/QUOTE]During weeks with off-days...an extra starter could be worth more than 2 games from a closer with no gaurantee of even getting an appearance. Especially on the weekend.
There are teams all over the NFBC with 3 closers. [/QUOTE]And what guarantees do an extra starter get you? That he will start? And then what? When it comes to pitching there are no guarantees. What you are suggesting is still just a matter of balancing risk vs. reward. Take the closer out and you aren't getting any saves period, but that extra starter could always get bombed.
Streaming is a very risky strategy that many will not use.
quote:Originally posted by Jackstraw:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
KJ's idea .... allows for the streaming of closers and SP and such. Too much of a difference when you open up pitchers to be streamed even more than they are now.
It doesn't Lance, I've already addressed the issue of streaming and you are just flat out ignoring that. [/QUOTE]C'mon KJ!
Can I swap out my closer after he nailed two saves onMON-THU for a SP who starts on FRI/SAT/SUN under your rule? YES!
Can I change out my SP who got a win on THU and doesn't pitch at all during the weekend for my 2nd or 3rd closer under your rule? YES!
Can I swap out my SP who won on WED for my bench SP who pitches FRI under your rule? YES!
Please. (Don't MAKE me roll the eyes!
) [/QUOTE]Why would you ever have your closer on the bench anyway? You would need to have a lot of pitchers on your roster for any of these situations to occur. [/QUOTE]During weeks with off-days...an extra starter could be worth more than 2 games from a closer with no gaurantee of even getting an appearance. Especially on the weekend.There are teams all over the NFBC with 3 closers. [/QUOTE]And what guarantees do an extra starter get you? That he will start? And then what? When it comes to pitching there are no guarantees. What you are suggesting is still just a matter of balancing risk vs. reward. Take the closer out and you aren't getting any saves period, but that extra starter could always get bombed.
Streaming is a very risky strategy that many will not use.
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Twice a Week Moves
KJ, Agree. Problem is the really rich don't invest in the stocks. Tax free bonds etc, etc.
The stock market now is for us common folk. The new retirement fund to be ripped off.
The stock market now is for us common folk. The new retirement fund to be ripped off.
Twice a Week Moves
Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
I'd bet all I have that 70% or more of the moves would be for pitchers. I think the number would be lower, but if 70% is correct, this would be the outcome: 18 more half weeks from pitchers.
Let's break that down, suppose it's half SPs and half RPs.
9 more starts from a low-level SP
9 more 3-day series from a RP
What would this do to overall numbers?
3-4 more W's per team
2 more SVs
50 more K's
slightly worse ratios
Big deal! Everyone's in the same boat. This isn't going to cause any kind of upheavel of anyone's strategy, Lance.
I'd bet all I have that 70% or more of the moves would be for pitchers. I think the number would be lower, but if 70% is correct, this would be the outcome: 18 more half weeks from pitchers.
Let's break that down, suppose it's half SPs and half RPs.
9 more starts from a low-level SP
9 more 3-day series from a RP
What would this do to overall numbers?
3-4 more W's per team
2 more SVs
50 more K's
slightly worse ratios
Big deal! Everyone's in the same boat. This isn't going to cause any kind of upheavel of anyone's strategy, Lance.