Manny

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Thu May 07, 2009 8:44 am

Originally posted by Scott Boras:

quote:Originally posted by huskyfan88:

Since Mays/Mantle era, were there ANY clean 50 hr guys? Foster? Cecil? GREAT question. The past 20 years have us so used to 50 homer guys, we expect them every year. History tells us 50 home runs in a single season is VERY rare, let alone in multiple seasons. [/QUOTE]Thome in '02????

A Belle in '95????

Navel Lint · Post by **Navel Lint** » Thu May 07, 2009 8:47 am

Originally posted by rucrew2:

quote:Originally posted by Scott Boras:

quote:Originally posted by huskyfan88:

Since Mays/Mantle era, were there ANY clean 50 hr guys? Foster? Cecil? GREAT question. The past 20 years have us so used to 50 homer guys, we expect them every year. History tells us 50 home runs in a single season is VERY rare, let alone in multiple seasons. [/QUOTE]Thome in '02????

A Belle in '95???? [/QUOTE]Since 1965 there have been 26 50+ HR seasons. The whole list is suspect.

Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Thu May 07, 2009 8:47 am

so when can we expect to use the loopholed Friday-DL rule for Manny's suspension?

Scott Boras · Post by **Scott Boras** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:02 am

I want to believe Ryan Howard is just a brute and is not juiced up. What do you guys think?

Raskol · Post by **Raskol** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:04 am

Originally posted by Scott Boras:

I want to believe Ryan Howard is just a brute and is not juiced up. What do you guys think? Hard to trust anyone these days, but I'll vote brute.

Just don't let it turn into "et tu, brute?"

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:08 am

If there is a group that I don't think are doing any illegals, it would be my plus sized group. This would only pertain to the heavy's that are under 30, after they hit 30, maladies come into play and athletes will resort to anything to lengthen their career. My group also doesen't include catchers, sorry Bengie, who are a different breed.

So, my group would include stars such as Ryan Howard, CC, and Prince. These guys are more interested about what goes in their mouths over what gets injected in their ass.

While on Prince...my daughter is a vegetarian, I know other vegetarians, Prince, you are no vegetarian.

Maybe at home in front of the wife he is. Or, maybe, while the rest of the Brewers are standing in line for an injection, Prince is going for two Whoppers and upsized fries at Burger King.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:09 am

would be great/tragic when/if papi and tex test positive. what would espn do? what would the sux nation and empire do?

Scott Boras · Post by **Scott Boras** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:11 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

If there is a group that I don't think are doing any illegals, it would be my plus sized group. This would only pertain to the heavy's that are under 30, after they hit 30, maladies come into play and athletes will resort to anything to lengthen their career. My group also doesen't include catchers, sorry Bengie, who are a different breed.

So, my group would include stars such as Ryan Howard, CC, and Prince. These guys are more interested about what goes in their mouths over what gets injected in their ass.

While on Prince...my daughter is a vegetarian, I know other vegetarians, Prince, you are no vegetarian.

Maybe at home in front of the wife he is. Or, maybe, while the rest of the Brewers are standing in line for an injection, Prince is going for two Whoppers and upsized fries at Burger King. Though not vegan, I'm pretty sure Twinkies are vegetarian???

Raskol · Post by **Raskol** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:18 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

If there is a group that I don't think are doing any illegals, it would be my plus sized group. This would only pertain to the heavy's that are under 30, after they hit 30, maladies come into play and athletes will resort to anything to lengthen their career. My group also doesen't include catchers, sorry Bengie, who are a different breed.

So, my group would include stars such as Ryan Howard, CC, and Prince. These guys are more interested about what goes in their mouths over what gets injected in their ass.

While on Prince...my daughter is a vegetarian, I know other vegetarians, Prince, you are no vegetarian.

Maybe at home in front of the wife he is. Or, maybe, while the rest of the Brewers are standing in line for an injection, Prince is going for two Whoppers and upsized fries at Burger King. Prince gave up being vegetarian before this season started (if indeed he really was one last year).

He has not given up the buffet, however.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:19 am

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

would be great/tragic when/if papi and tex test positive. what would espn do? what would the sux nation and empire do? Both of these guys along with Rollins are highly suspect of PDD's, performance declining drugs.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:28 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

If there is a group that I don't think are doing any illegals, it would be my plus sized group. This would only pertain to the heavy's that are under 30, after they hit 30, maladies come into play and athletes will resort to anything to lengthen their career. My group also doesen't include catchers, sorry Bengie, who are a different breed.

So, my group would include stars such as Ryan Howard, CC, and Prince. These guys are more interested about what goes in their mouths over what gets injected in their ass.

While on Prince...my daughter is a vegetarian, I know other vegetarians, Prince, you are no vegetarian.

Maybe at home in front of the wife he is. Or, maybe, while the rest of the Brewers are standing in line for an injection, Prince is going for two Whoppers and upsized fries at Burger King. Let's see...

Elephants

Hippo's

Rhino's

Cows

Pigs

All porkers, and are "basically" vegetarians.

Scott Boras · Post by **Scott Boras** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:34 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

If there is a group that I don't think are doing any illegals, it would be my plus sized group. This would only pertain to the heavy's that are under 30, after they hit 30, maladies come into play and athletes will resort to anything to lengthen their career. My group also doesen't include catchers, sorry Bengie, who are a different breed.

So, my group would include stars such as Ryan Howard, CC, and Prince. These guys are more interested about what goes in their mouths over what gets injected in their ass.

While on Prince...my daughter is a vegetarian, I know other vegetarians, Prince, you are no vegetarian.

Maybe at home in front of the wife he is. Or, maybe, while the rest of the Brewers are standing in line for an injection, Prince is going for two Whoppers and upsized fries at Burger King. Let's see...

Elephants

Hippo's

Rhino's

Cows

Pigs

All porkers, and are "basically" vegetarians.

[/QUOTE]Let's be fair, add horses and 2/3 are muscular beasts.

rockitsauce · Post by **rockitsauce** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:45 am

Originally posted by Scott Boras:

I want to believe Ryan Howard is just a brute and is not juiced up. What do you guys think? As a Phillie fan I am biased, however I'm pretty sure the bulk of Howard's career has been after testing has been in place. When you also factor in the fact that he has 2 older brothers that are even bigger than him....well I believe in Big Ryan.

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:46 am

Originally posted by huskyfan88:

Since Mays/Mantle era, were there ANY clean 50 hr guys? Foster? Cecil? How do you KNOW Mays/Mantle were clean?Besides other drugs,Roids were made in the 50's.You may believe no roids for those guys.But,you do not KNOW.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Thu May 07, 2009 9:56 am

unless james beam was a roid in the 50's, the mick was probably clean. can't speak for mays. lol.

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:16 am

You do not believe the Mick needed a couple greenies to get up for a day game with a hangover?

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:20 am

maybe a bloody mary.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Thu May 07, 2009 1:49 pm

How about Killebrew i would bet my house he was clean his whole career.Just a great guy and my favorite power hitter of all time.Eight times he hit over 40 homers and a career high 49 in his mvp 1969 season. Harmon Clayton Killebrew.

Snord35 · Post by **Snord35** » Thu May 07, 2009 2:15 pm

Sad the list of 500 HR players from the current past players get smaller and smaller. I think the true list of 500 HR hitters is down to Griffey Jr, Thomas and Thome. As a big Thomas fan I'm happy he has never been linked to Roids. The guy can be an ass but at least he was not cheating.

While more and more big name guys get called out the one I will never forget is Ken Caminiti.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu May 07, 2009 2:20 pm

Here's the first lineup for Manny's 50-game suspension:

Furcal, SS

Hudson, 2B

Ethier, RF

Loney, 1B

Martin, C

Kemp, CF

Blake, 3B

Wolf, P

Pierre, LF

So the 4th through 9th hitters all moved up one spot, and Pierre takes over the 9th spot.

Snord35 · Post by **Snord35** » Thu May 07, 2009 2:20 pm

Originally posted by eddiejag:

How about Killebrew i would bet my house he was clean his whole career.Just a great guy and my favorite power hitter of all time.Eight times he hit over 40 homers and a career high 49 in his mvp 1969 season. Harmon Clayton Killebrew. A friend of mine said he heard Killebrew on a radio interveiw and was asked about roids and he said he would have hit 700-800 HR's with all of his fly balls getting caught on the warning track.

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Thu May 07, 2009 2:21 pm

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Here's the first lineup for Manny's 50-game suspension:

Furcal, SS

Hudson, 2B

Ethier, RF

Loney, 1B

Martin, C

Kemp, CF

Blake, 3B

Wolf, P

Pierre, LF

So the 4th through 9th hitters all moved up one spot, and Pierre takes over the 9th spot. Torre: Why is Martin ahead of Kemp??

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu May 07, 2009 2:26 pm

snord- on frank thomas- the 3 times i was around him he was very nice. twice at dunkin donuts by my house and once in vegas. he comes into mandalay bays health clubs locker room and the guy tells him no lockers are available. he sits down quietly and waits. did not even know who he was. real nice guy- not a muscle on him btw. my guess- he, thome and griffey are clean. harmon played in som bad parks also. much much harder to hit 'em out then.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu May 07, 2009 2:27 pm

also- with kemp slumping- i am surprised joe doesn't have him hitting 9th. if micah played for tony larusa he would bat 4th.

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Thu May 07, 2009 2:46 pm

Originally posted by eddiejag:

How about Killebrew i would bet my house he was clean his whole career.Just a great guy and my favorite power hitter of all time.Eight times he hit over 40 homers and a career high 49 in his mvp 1969 season. Harmon Clayton Killebrew. I have met Mr.Killebrew.Great guy,Reminded me of my grandfather.But,my point is you can not KNOW what was done in the previous eras.People like to look at the old days with romance.But,players played for money,they held out,they cheated in those old days also.Roids existed at that time.Perhaps it is a leap to say they were used.But,you can not KNOW.I do know many players used illegal drugs,many players cheated.But,I loved that game and I love this game.The players today are bigger,faster,and stronger.Enjoy the game.