2010 NFBC Draft Dates and Locations Revealed

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:05 am

Originally posted by Vander:

Didn't Groucho once say "I wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member"? vander

are you calling someone grouchy?

coming after you next year!

bill

[ October 09, 2009, 04:08 PM: Message edited by: Kentucky Reign ]

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:07 am

Greg for what it's worth I highly applaud moving the draft to 1 week before the season start. I don't like the 2 live draft weekends. You can try to keep stuff secret, but some will find out. There will be leaks, there always are. And I think those that draft week 1 will have a definite advantage when drafting their second team week 2. Just mho again.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:09 am

BTW I'm in regardless of how this all works out. Will be in an auction next year too Bill. Didn't know I may have to make a choice though. Looking forward to next year already. BTW nice rookie year. You'll be even tougher next year.

Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:09 am

Greg: Was there any reason this change had to be done this upcoming year, rather than floated as a trial balloon to 2009 NFBC owners in a season ending survey?

One of the best parts of the NFBC experience last year was seeing 20+ friends of mine at the draft, which now appears to be less likely given split dates and other making work/personal arrangements based upon the announced date.

Can't agree more regarding the US Open analogy set forth earlier in this thread. I am all for people owning multiple teams directly or indirectly, but having the draft at two different times seems a bit skewed. I can't see how anyone is going to prohibit the publishing of anyone particular owners's draft from week 1. Everyone will know the draft order from that team owner, and a simple picture of the draft board or tracking of the draft by any owner in the Week 1 league could/would easily be attained by a Week 2 owner.

I am all for more leagues joining to grow the overall prize bank, but why grow it through multiple owners, rather than new owners who had previously split teams or new owners entirely.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:14 am

Originally posted by Vander:

BTW I'm in regardless of how this all works out. Will be in an auction next year too Bill. Didn't know I may have to make a choice though. Looking forward to next year already. BTW nice rookie year. You'll be even tougher next year. thnx

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:19 am

I have to chew on this; I have made my Vegas reservations (fee for canceling) from 3/14-3/23; I had asked Greg if we were set before doing this; I don't like the idea of spreading this over 2 weekends (is NFBC going to get to big for its britches?); this is not a minor change, this is a major change. The great thing about NFBC is the fact that all participants drafted at the same time (Main Event) from 4 different locations.

I don't care how you slice it, there is an advantage to drafting 1 week after the 21st group (You're right, no one is holding a gun to your head), but it is still an advantage for the 2nd group. I'm going to think long and hard about putting up $1300 to draft a week earlier than another group. I have not read all the comments because I just got home. I could cancel my reservation and eat the fee but this is not my point; the point is how many will draft a week earlier than another group?

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:33 am

I hope I do not lose any remote chance I had for a VIP pass by saying I am not wild about the new plans.But,if I have a choice of this or NFBC/NFFC

die on the vine.I will take this.For some reason Greg does not call me before he makes his decisions.But,I know the events best interest are always his main priority.I will miss the family reunion feel though.

I have been doing this long enough to know there is NO WAY the results of the first weekend will be kept secret.Perhaps we can turn cell phones in at the door,and no scrap paper leaves the room.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 10:37 am

BTW,,check your cameras too...

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:05 am

Greg, Come on!! Todd can only do the weekend that no will be there. Shawn will be there the weekend

the Mafia gang are doing thier draft. What a crappy way to avoid the truth. It's your contest and you try and lay it off on the players.

Final year for the AL Auction Shawn and Eddie tied for two titles. It was fun while it lasted.

Todd I think won two in the NL. Damn it was fun!!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:28 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

Greg, Come on!! Todd can only do the weekend that no will be there. Shawn will be there the weekend

the Mafia gang are doing thier draft. What a crappy way to avoid the truth. It's your contest and you try and lay it off on the players.

Final year for the AL Auction Shawn and Eddie tied for two titles. It was fun while it lasted.

Todd I think won two in the NL. Damn it was fun!! Why are you speaking for Todd, John? We'll talk with Tout soon. Maybe they will draft March 20-21. Maybe they will come to Las Vegas. Maybe it will fall through. Why are you speaking for the $1300 gang?

Shawn has already said he's doing both weekends.

By the way, Eddie won three AL Auction League titles and we'll give him a chance for a fourth next year. We'll work it out. Have a great weekend John.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:34 am

Originally posted by Vander:

Greg for what it's worth I highly applaud moving the draft to 1 week before the season start. I don't like the 2 live draft weekends. You can try to keep stuff secret, but some will find out. There will be leaks, there always are. And I think those that draft week 1 will have a definite advantage when drafting their second team week 2. Just mho again. Dave, I agree that there is concern for those drafting on March 19 that folks will find out your picks on March 26. So let's all agree that this isn't set up for folks doing drafts on both weekends. It's, as you say here, a DISADVANTAGE for folks to find out your picks. But you do say here that folks drafting the second weekend will then be at an ADVANTAGE for the experience of doing it the first time. So it's a horse apiece, I guess the way you state it.

You are correct, drafting one week before the start of the season is the best option. We like it too. We have the Flamingo contract set and we're going to make the best of it during March Madness. For some folks, it will be fun that weekend as well. But folks have always been drafting in high-dollar NFBC Satellite leagues weeks and days before the main event in the past and in retrospect they had an advantage over those who did no satellite leagues, right? Not necessarily as history has shown.

I think we're now getting confused on where the advantages and disadvantages are. Pick the weekend that works best for you and if it's March 27th book it and let's start preparing for Draft Day. The whole gang will be there.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:39 am

Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

Greg: Was there any reason this change had to be done this upcoming year, rather than floated as a trial balloon to 2009 NFBC owners in a season ending survey?

One of the best parts of the NFBC experience last year was seeing 20+ friends of mine at the draft, which now appears to be less likely given split dates and other making work/personal arrangements based upon the announced date.

Can't agree more regarding the US Open analogy set forth earlier in this thread. I am all for people owning multiple teams directly or indirectly, but having the draft at two different times seems a bit skewed. I can't see how anyone is going to prohibit the publishing of anyone particular owners's draft from week 1. Everyone will know the draft order from that team owner, and a simple picture of the draft board or tracking of the draft by any owner in the Week 1 league could/would easily be attained by a Week 2 owner.

I am all for more leagues joining to grow the overall prize bank, but why grow it through multiple owners, rather than new owners who had previously split teams or new owners entirely. Mike, if everyone is worried about their draft results from Week 1 hurting them in Week 2, then those folks will just do one main event and we'll all be happy. I think anyone who is worried about that won't do both weekends. Simple as that. But that's like saying folks wouldn't do satellite leagues because they didn't want anyone knowing their draft results. People still did them.

Hopefully the CDM gang will be able to still coordinate the weekend they get together and we'll have a special party for them. We have some plans for a party the first weekend at the Flamingo and we have some fun things in mind for the second weekend. And I know Charlie wants to have some fun with the CDM gang, so let's all coordinate our schedules, get on the phone with each other and make this work. And if we have to work with guys like Dan and Jim who previously scheduled their trips we will. We want to help out and make this right and we certainly want to keep the CDM gang around.

But one way or another, we had to switch to the later March because it's the best thing for our high-stakes baseball contest. I hope folks understand that.

Timcards · Post by **Timcards** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:40 am

Greg has always made it a point in previous years to point out how all drafts start at the exact same time in all cities no matter what so no one gets an advantage. Now it's not supposed to be a big deal?

I don't see how you can decide to make two separate draft days a week apart compete against each other. Not to mention that it's allowed to have more than one entry. This use to be about everyone having the same chance as anyone else. That will definitely not be the case in 2010.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:43 am

Originally posted by DiamondKing:

I hope I do not lose any remote chance I had for a VIP pass by saying I am not wild about the new plans.But,if I have a choice of this or NFBC/NFFC

die on the vine.I will take this.For some reason Greg does not call me before he makes his decisions.But,I know the events best interest are always his main priority.I will miss the family reunion feel though.

I have been doing this long enough to know there is NO WAY the results of the first weekend will be kept secret.Perhaps we can turn cell phones in at the door,and no scrap paper leaves the room. Dave, are you disappointed because we're leaving the March Madness weekend or because we're doing both weekends and anyone who does both will have their results published? As for the family reunion feel, if everyone decides the second weekend is best for them and they want to do one team not two, what will change other than fewer NCAA games to bet on??

I understand your concerns, but if most folks only want to draft one team and get together with the gang, what has changed? It seems like so many folks hate that the key guys might take two teams and then their next concern is that none of the gang will be there. It seems like the gang will be there, twice in fact, which is too much for some.

Let's figure this out.

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:45 am

I can't believe what I am reading; there is NO ADVANTAGE to drafting on 3/20; ALL THE ADVANTAGE is on the 27th; This is the worst idea I have ever seen. It is all being done to keep Fanball happy. NO contract should have been finalized with the Flamingo before all details with Fanball were worked out. This is a damn compromise. Who would ever have a high stakes game over 2 weekends? Great for people putting up big bucks to draft over 2 weekends; how many will do that? Cancel the damn contract with the Flamingo and eat the $$$ and draft over 1 weekend!! Too bad that won't happen!

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:47 am

Am I missing something?

One weekend is too much earlier or others may find out about my draft or not enough data for the earlier draft or injuries may happen before the next weekend....if you are not wanting to draft the first weekend....then don't draft the first weekend. Its a choice.

Annnd... those that are drafting in both drafts will have to face all of the obstacles that are listed at the beginning of this post.

Seems like a perfect scenario for some to me.

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:52 am

Greg,I guess I fall into the one weekend level playing field crowd.I think most people feel the sat leagues do not compare to the main event in any way.Also if you are planning on auctions etc.I doubt the first weekend will have full leagues in one city.But,hey if I can enjoy 4 days with no luggage.I am pretty sure I will be able to deal with it.But,I do think that if it was put to a vote of "regular"players It would not pass.Whatever happens I will see you in march.How many days?

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:53 am

Has nothing to do with people finding out who I drafted because they won't be in my league; has everything to do with breaking news the 6 days leading up to the 27th. You're right, I could draft on the 27th; it doesn't make it right.

Captain Crunch · Post by **Captain Crunch** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:55 am

One of the main points stressed about this contest has been that everyone drafts at the same time. I'd just decided to participate next year ... now I won't. Whatever other pros and cons there may be ... it's not a level playing field drafting on two weekends.

Captain Crunch · Post by **Captain Crunch** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:16 pm

... and wtf does earning a badge to a vip party have to do with anything? I'd be looking forward to meeting people that I've competed against for years - who cares about the schmoozers. What a ridiculous interjection.

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:17 pm

Greg: my anger/frustration is not directed at you; personally, I don't think it has anything to do with you.

Timcards · Post by **Timcards** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:18 pm

Captain Crunch, I agree with you there.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:19 pm

Originally posted by Captain Crunch:

Whatever other pros and cons there may be ... it's not a level playing field drafting on two weekends. Posted in another thread responding to someone else on this, but this line of thinking is just ridiculous.

The player pool for each league is the same, every risk taken in drafting early has a flipside, which is an opportunity in drafting early.

Not a level playing field, huh ... can someone please describe one instance in which someone drafting late (or early) has some sort of edge that makes the playing field uneven?

Head 2 Head · Post by **Head 2 Head** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:23 pm

Originally posted by Lunatic:

Has nothing to do with people finding out who I drafted because they won't be in my league; has everything to do with breaking news the 6 days leading up to the 27th. What were the Online results based on dates of draft?

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:25 pm

I am not talking Online I am talking Main Event....PUNT!!!