2010 NFBC Draft Dates and Locations Revealed

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:27 pm

$1300 - $350 a little different would you agree?

DUKE: of course the leagues are equal; there is no disadvantage there;

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:29 pm

Originally posted by Captain Crunch:

... and wtf does earning a badge to a vip party have to do with anything? I'd be looking forward to meeting people that I've competed against for years - who cares about the schmoozers. What a ridiculous interjection. Very much agreed. Poor timing. Poor judgment.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:29 pm

Originally posted by Lunatic:

Greg: my anger/frustration is not directed at you; personally, I don't think it has anything to do with you. It does Jim and anyone who knows me through the years knows I take all of this personally. I walked in the door right now after working late and went right to the home computer. I hate to see anyone upset, but I think we have a plan in place that makes sense for the long-term, creating a model for two weekends.

So are you telling me that if we had just moved to the 27th with one draft date all would be good with our plans?? Even for those who want an option for March Madness in Las Vegas? And is that best because it keeps everyone from having more than one team and drafting at the exact same time?? Or because everyone is forced to come that one day??

We are trying to grow this event and increase the prize pool. We chose not to increase the fees but hope to get 405 and beyond. We've always taken the risks on those guarantees. So why can't we try this plan and see if it works? We are five months away. Let's have a civil discussion and make it work. I'm all ears, even if I do have thin skin.

Hobo Zeke · Post by **Hobo Zeke** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:32 pm

Greg, Thank you for making my life easier.

I love doing the live main event. I will be there the first weekend.

But, since I am retired and have limited funds, can't stay in Las Vegas for 12 days. Will draft on the second weekend at home in a PHONE league. Sorry, can't "Pull a Lindy".

Now I can give up the 3,4 or 5 sattelite teams I used to draft. Only two teams to run and larger prize potential, what a deal?

I think I died and have gone to NFBC heaven!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:32 pm

Originally posted by DiamondKing:

Greg,I guess I fall into the one weekend level playing field crowd.I think most people feel the sat leagues do not compare to the main event in any way.Also if you are planning on auctions etc.I doubt the first weekend will have full leagues in one city.But,hey if I can enjoy 4 days with no luggage.I am pretty sure I will be able to deal with it.But,I do think that if it was put to a vote of "regular"players It would not pass.Whatever happens I will see you in march.How many days? Dave, can you only make the March 20th date?? So if we changed the NFBC main event to only the 27th you couldn't attend?? Just wondering because I think you are saying you'd like to draft on the 20th during March Madness and feel you are at a disadvantage to the following weekend folks if that's the case. I totally understand if that's what you are saying. I'm just wondering if you are then unable to compete live at all if we just had offered one weekend option. Let me know and we'll continue discussing.

Head 2 Head · Post by **Head 2 Head** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:32 pm

Originally posted by Lunatic:

I am not talking Online I am talking Main Event....PUNT!!! Advantage is advantage. Drafting late didn't seem to help.

1 Joe Vandal Lindy Hinkelman Online Championship - March 30th

2 Sack & Godfather II Magner Online Championship, April 2nd,

3 Incredible Hulking Us Michael Edelman Online Championship March 28th

4 PACO THYME Paul Weber Online Championship, April 2nd

5 Butcher of Bakersfield Ronny Mor Online Championship March 29th

6 Buck Farack Adam Esmay Online Championship - March 30th

7 Chicks Dig The Long Ball Kevin Schiller Online Championship, April 3rd,

8 Suburban Strugglers Ryan Kelly Online Championship, April 2nd,

9 BasFutterard Jeffrey Donnelly Online Championship March 29th

10 Wiffle Ball Legends Mike Rothe Online Championship, April 3rd,

11 Catch Zazie Tom Zarogiannos Online Championship March 29th

12 Bama OL Kenneth Norred Online Championship, April 3rd,

13 Your All Dunn James Chontos Online Championship March 28th

14 Wheelhouse Jeff Thomas Online Championship March 29th

15 Team weisfogel avi weisfogel Online Championship - Tuesday, March 31st

16 Michigan Wolverines Fan 09 DJ Kinney Online Championship March 29th

17 The Smokinjs Joe Wozniak Online Championship, April 3rd

18 Get Carter Jon Stadtmueller Online Championship - April 1st

19 Heels Jeff Meyer Online Championship, April 4th

20 Frank&Beans andrew song Online Championship - April 1st

Captain Crunch · Post by **Captain Crunch** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:33 pm

Let me try again. A key feature of this contest has been that the drafts occur simultaneously. If they are on two separate weekends, they are not simultaneous. The dynamic of the contest (read: the playing field) is being altered, it is not the same. If I want to enter a contest with drafts at different times, that's what I'll do. If I want to enter a contest with bi-weekly or daily changes, that's what I'll do. But if a contest presents as a main feature the ability to draft simultaneously, then keep it that way.

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:35 pm

For KJ DUKE:

Not a level playing field, huh ... can someone please describe one instance in which someone drafting late (or early) has some sort of edge that makes the playing field uneven?

Wow, this is a hard one. Lemme try.

I draft on March 20th and take Arod in the first round.

March 22nd, Arod blows out a knee, gone for the season.

Question: Is the player pool still the same for March 27th?

CAPTAIN CRUNCH, the only thing ridiculous is that such a smart guy like KJ Duke cannot see this.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:39 pm

Originally posted by Sack:

For KJ DUKE:

Not a level playing field, huh ... can someone please describe one instance in which someone drafting late (or early) has some sort of edge that makes the playing field uneven?

Wow, this is a hard one. Lemme try.

I draft on March 20th and take Arod in the first round.

March 22nd, Arod blows out a knee, gone for the season.

Question: Is the player pool still the same for March 27th?

CAPTAIN CRUNCH, the only thing ridiculous is that such a smart guy like KJ Duke cannot see this. Yes Sack, it is the same player pool. A-Rod will be in the FAAB pool in both lges after week 1.

Whenever you draft a player, you take on risk that player will get hurt.

So tell me, who has an advantage in this scenario, the early draft league or the late draft league?

[ October 09, 2009, 06:40 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:41 pm

Originally posted by Hobo Zeke:

Greg, Thank you for making my life easier.

I love doing the live main event. I will be there the first weekend.

But, since I am retired and have limited funds, can't stay in Las Vegas for 12 days. Will draft on the second weekend at home in a PHONE league. Sorry, can't "Pull a Lindy".

Now I can give up the 3,4 or 5 sattelite teams I used to draft. Only two teams to run and larger prize potential, what a deal?

I think I died and have gone to NFBC heaven!

We will have the online option for the second weekend of the main event, I believe, but I do not see a need for that on the first weekend. Our goal is not to get as many teams as possible doing both weekends. We're trying to build two weekends of live events, so there will only be live events on March 19-21. Hope this helps.

Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:41 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Lunatic:

Greg: my anger/frustration is not directed at you; personally, I don't think it has anything to do with you. It does Jim and anyone who knows me through the years knows I take all of this personally. I walked in the door right now after working late and went right to the home computer. I hate to see anyone upset, but I think we have a plan in place that makes sense for the long-term, creating a model for two weekends.

So are you telling me that if we had just moved to the 27th with one draft date all would be good with our plans?? Even for those who want an option for March Madness in Las Vegas? And is that best because it keeps everyone from having more than one team and drafting at the exact same time?? Or because everyone is forced to come that one day??

We are trying to grow this event and increase the prize pool. We chose not to increase the fees but hope to get 405 and beyond. We've always taken the risks on those guarantees. So why can't we try this plan and see if it works? We are five months away. Let's have a civil discussion and make it work. I'm all ears, even if I do have thin skin.

[/QUOTE]Greg, if you had made this one weekend being the 27th, I think the reaction would have been fine. So people just have to be concerned with changing travel arrangements, rather than now dealing with issues regarding the strategy of selecting weeks to draft.

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:42 pm

Greg:

1) Why has it been SO important for the past six years to stagger the start times in each city, on the same day in both baseball and football? I ask you this directly, because it is my belief ( correct me if I'm wrong ) that this was initially your wish AND you had to have a specific and well founded reason for that decision.

2) I've always thought staying at the host hotel, whether it be Stardust or Flamingo, an added bouns for those taking part in any NFBC/NFFC sponsored event. With the new pending location sure to knock our socks off, I can only wonder how much more this new place is going to set us back, per night to have the same scenario.

Similiar to LUNY, this isn't directed as a negative towards you. As one of your FIRST players to ever sign up for an event, I'm NOT getting the two day format.

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:42 pm

I'll be intrigued to see when the signups start rolling.

If the first weekend works better schedule-wise for some people but they are concerned with being at a disadvantage just remember for every disappointed Jason Motte owner there was an equally pleased Ryan Franklin owner.

I haven't decided what weekend to do, but I kind of like the option.

And even if this was a compromise between Greg and Fanball.com so what, thats normally how these things work.

I for one am reserving judgement until I can see the whole lineup of events.

Head 2 Head · Post by **Head 2 Head** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:42 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Sack:

For KJ DUKE:

Not a level playing field, huh ... can someone please describe one instance in which someone drafting late (or early) has some sort of edge that makes the playing field uneven?

Wow, this is a hard one. Lemme try.

I draft on March 20th and take Arod in the first round.

March 22nd, Arod blows out a knee, gone for the season.

Question: Is the player pool still the same for March 27th?

CAPTAIN CRUNCH, the only thing ridiculous is that such a smart guy like KJ Duke cannot see this. Yes Sack, it is the same player pool. A-Rod will be in the FAAB pool in both lges after week 1.

Whenever you draft a player, you take on risk that player will get hurt.

So tell me, who has an advantage in this scenario, the early draft league or the late draft league? [/QUOTE]Advantage to 14 teams in the early draft. Disadvantage to 1.

Captain Crunch · Post by **Captain Crunch** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:43 pm

Thanks for clearing that up. The guy whose first round pick is now in the faab pool after week 1 will clearly not be at any disadvantage.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:46 pm

Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

[qb] [QUOTE]Greg, if you had made this one weekend being the 27th, I think the reaction would have been fine. So people just have to be concerned with changing travel arrangements, rather than now dealing with issues regarding the strategy of selecting weeks to draft. [/QUOTE]I'm looking for that feedback. Anyone agree with Mike or is this concept being overblown?

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:47 pm

Greg,I will be there no matter when the event is scheduled I am a die hard for your event.I like the management,people,and competition.But,I feel that the different weekends each have advantages/disadvantages.For that reason I do not think it is a level starting point for the main event.For one league all is equal.But,we are also holding the hope of beating 404.

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:51 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Captain Crunch:

Whatever other pros and cons there may be ... it's not a level playing field drafting on two weekends. Posted in another thread responding to someone else on this, but this line of thinking is just ridiculous.

The player pool for each league is the same, every risk taken in drafting early has a flipside, which is an opportunity in drafting early.

Not a level playing field, huh ... can someone please describe one instance in which someone drafting late (or early) has some sort of edge that makes the playing field uneven? [/QUOTE]Pretty simple really. I draft week 1, my #1 pick gets hurt during the week, he needs season ending surgery. How is my team now on a level playing field with a team that hasn't drafted yet and knows this news?

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:51 pm

Originally posted by DiamondKing:

Greg,I will be there no matter when the event is scheduled I am a die hard for your event.I like the management,people,and competition.But,I feel that the different weekends each have advantages/disadvantages.For that reason I do not think it is a level starting point for the main event.For one league all is equal.But,we are also holding the hope of beating 404. Agreed 100%

Sack · Post by **Sack** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:52 pm

DUKE:

I disagree with your AROD answer. He is gone for the season.

I've not stated that either an early or late draft date has an advantage. There are way to many factors involved. My personal choice would be to draft as late in the game as possible. However, I can see a scenario in which a strong player gets a layup of a league in Week #1. ( Heck, the opposite could be true )

But in a contest for 100K, There has got to have been a reason WHY for the past six years Vegas would start at 11am and New York at 2pm. On the same day, mind you.

Some people smarter than me are going to try and put these angles to play. Why open up that possibility. I'd have preferred that we al start together. One day, one time. When Michael Buffer yells Let's Get Ready to Rumble" out in Vegas, we shouldn't be fighting the first fix rounds on the 20TH and then finishing the fight on the 27th.

My take is that we are having a 2-day event because the contract is in place withe Flamingo and the FANBALL people want to have a bigger named host. If they get lucky, and the event grows, we may have this in the future. However, if the signups decrease or remain the same, you won't see 2 dates next year.

I want what is best to grow the NFBC, I've been here since day # 1, but the 2 day MAIN EVENT isn't sitting well.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:52 pm

h2h - that is the correct answer.

One team with A-Rod is disadvantaged by "X" and 13 teams are advantaged by "X divided by 13". The odds of being the one unlucky team are proportionately offset by 1/13 for each team that didn't have A-Rod. Thus, the league overall is perfectly level with all late draft leagues.

And, there will be instances of the above in reverse. There will be hot rookies and guys that win jobs who will be taken earlier in the late drafts than in the early drafts. It all evens out from the league perspective.

What it comes down to is would you rather a) take on less injury and job certainty risk by drafting late, or b) take on more risk with a greater chance of getting players at value by drafting early. It's really no different than having KDS for draft slots - choice is good, pick your poison.

Captain Crunch · Post by **Captain Crunch** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:52 pm

I don't see the point of playing in a contest based on pooled results if the pool isn't created as a single event.

RichV · Post by **RichV** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:53 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by Quack & Willy:

quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

[qb] [QUOTE]Greg, if you had made this one weekend being the 27th, I think the reaction would have been fine. So people just have to be concerned with changing travel arrangements, rather than now dealing with issues regarding the strategy of selecting weeks to draft. [/QUOTE]I'm looking for that feedback. Anyone agree with Mike or is this concept being overblown? [/QUOTE]This is my issue as well.

Quack & Willy · Post by **Quack & Willy** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:56 pm

Is the long-term goal to make this a two-weekend event, or is it just a temporary issue due to a Flamingo contract two weeks before the season instead of one week before?

If the long-term goal is two different weeks, this appears to be flawed. If just this season, appears to be a very short-sighted thought process.

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:56 pm

greg

maybe you should have said

"OK guys, new ownership, new ideas, we're going to have the draft one week prior to opening day for 2010".

ANY COMPLAINTS?

bill