Originally posted by RoundTrippers:
i disagree bjoak...to each his own. i personally feel there will be value in the 1st weekend. we agree to disagree for that reason i will be drafting week 1 and 2...good luck. i believe alot more people on the boards should be working on their cheatsheets rather than worrying about trivial bull****...back to my baseball prep!!! If you're drafting both weeks rather than just week 1, I don't see your point. I'm just saying you are at a greater advantage in week 2 (if you're good), not that week 1 isn't worth playing in.
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Chance favors the prepared mind.
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I actually think there is a chance you can do better in the overall by drafting in week 1. That is to say that let's say John Lackey gets injured between weeks 1 and 2. If he goes in the ninth round in week 1, well, you're screwed if you pick him, but if you're one of the 14 owners who *don't* pick him, all the other players (after round 9) are more or less pushed back 1 pick later than they get drafted in week 2. It's not a huge advantage, but it could be the difference between getting someone who has a breakout year (notice how I avoided "sleeper"?) and not getting him.
But again whether you are the one who drafter Lackey or the 14 who didn't is mostly about luck, which I am in the business of trying to eliminate.
But again whether you are the one who drafter Lackey or the 14 who didn't is mostly about luck, which I am in the business of trying to eliminate.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
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I understand Brian's point and agree. You remove some luck by waiting a week. I've wanted this to be moved a week later ever since this started. I do think there is something to be gained in drafting both weeks. By this I mean you may gain some insight into what others are thinking and doing week 1 which will help you even more week 2.
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Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
How many times does it need to be said ... an events fee is not a food&bev fee?
Which is the event: the weekend, or the individual draft?
I'm all for making the event (and by my definition, that means the weekend) bigger and better. However, once you start applying "Events Fees" to the equation, people are much more likely to challenge the specifics.
If you have to charge more for having the NFBC at the Bellagio, perhaps the better solution is to just make the entry fee bigger. There will be far less questions with a nebulous Entry Fee versus an entry fee plus a specific Events Fee. [/QUOTE]I agree with you Glenn, "events fee" should be for the weekend, not for a single draft.
My point was that it is silly to say" if the event fee costs me $50 I'd rather eat Dennys and not pay it". An events fee implies that it is for the event (venue/food/bev/amenities/whatever they throw in there), not a sandwich.
[ October 18, 2009, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
How many times does it need to be said ... an events fee is not a food&bev fee?
Which is the event: the weekend, or the individual draft? I'm all for making the event (and by my definition, that means the weekend) bigger and better. However, once you start applying "Events Fees" to the equation, people are much more likely to challenge the specifics.
If you have to charge more for having the NFBC at the Bellagio, perhaps the better solution is to just make the entry fee bigger. There will be far less questions with a nebulous Entry Fee versus an entry fee plus a specific Events Fee. [/QUOTE]I agree with you Glenn, "events fee" should be for the weekend, not for a single draft.
My point was that it is silly to say" if the event fee costs me $50 I'd rather eat Dennys and not pay it". An events fee implies that it is for the event (venue/food/bev/amenities/whatever they throw in there), not a sandwich.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
How many times does it need to be said ... an events fee is not a food&bev fee? Which is the event: the weekend, or the individual draft?
I'm all for making the event (and by my definition, that means the weekend) bigger and better. However, once you start applying "Events Fees" to the equation, people are much more likely to challenge the specifics.
If you have to charge more for having the NFBC at the Bellagio, perhaps the better solution is to just make the entry fee bigger. There will be far less questions with a nebulous Entry Fee versus an entry fee plus a specific Events Fee. [/QUOTE]I agree with you Glenn, "events fee" should be for the weekend, not for a single draft.
My point was that it is silly to say" if the event fee costs me $50 I'd rather eat Dennys and not pay it". An events fee implies that it is for the event (venue/food/bev/amenities/whatever they throw in there), not a sandwich. [/QUOTE]Agree with KJ on several points, most notably that the fee should cover your weekend.
I will be profoundly disappointed if we're talking sammich fixins and a few cold beverages.
I am willing to trust Greg and Tom to be making good decisions for the future of this contest. Their efforts over the last several years have earned them that trust.
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
How many times does it need to be said ... an events fee is not a food&bev fee?
Which is the event: the weekend, or the individual draft? I'm all for making the event (and by my definition, that means the weekend) bigger and better. However, once you start applying "Events Fees" to the equation, people are much more likely to challenge the specifics.
If you have to charge more for having the NFBC at the Bellagio, perhaps the better solution is to just make the entry fee bigger. There will be far less questions with a nebulous Entry Fee versus an entry fee plus a specific Events Fee. [/QUOTE]I agree with you Glenn, "events fee" should be for the weekend, not for a single draft.
My point was that it is silly to say" if the event fee costs me $50 I'd rather eat Dennys and not pay it". An events fee implies that it is for the event (venue/food/bev/amenities/whatever they throw in there), not a sandwich. [/QUOTE]Agree with KJ on several points, most notably that the fee should cover your weekend.
I will be profoundly disappointed if we're talking sammich fixins and a few cold beverages.
I am willing to trust Greg and Tom to be making good decisions for the future of this contest. Their efforts over the last several years have earned them that trust.
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Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
How many times does it need to be said ... an events fee is not a food&bev fee? Which is the event: the weekend, or the individual draft?
I'm all for making the event (and by my definition, that means the weekend) bigger and better. However, once you start applying "Events Fees" to the equation, people are much more likely to challenge the specifics.
If you have to charge more for having the NFBC at the Bellagio, perhaps the better solution is to just make the entry fee bigger. There will be far less questions with a nebulous Entry Fee versus an entry fee plus a specific Events Fee. [/QUOTE]I'm not 100% if the "events fees" are calculated into the % payouts...but separating the two could be intended if they thought there would be an uprising if folks thought it unacceptable to be any closer to a 30% house rake.
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
How many times does it need to be said ... an events fee is not a food&bev fee?
Which is the event: the weekend, or the individual draft? I'm all for making the event (and by my definition, that means the weekend) bigger and better. However, once you start applying "Events Fees" to the equation, people are much more likely to challenge the specifics.
If you have to charge more for having the NFBC at the Bellagio, perhaps the better solution is to just make the entry fee bigger. There will be far less questions with a nebulous Entry Fee versus an entry fee plus a specific Events Fee. [/QUOTE]I'm not 100% if the "events fees" are calculated into the % payouts...but separating the two could be intended if they thought there would be an uprising if folks thought it unacceptable to be any closer to a 30% house rake.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
How many times does it need to be said ... an events fee is not a food&bev fee? Which is the event: the weekend, or the individual draft?
I'm all for making the event (and by my definition, that means the weekend) bigger and better. However, once you start applying "Events Fees" to the equation, people are much more likely to challenge the specifics.
If you have to charge more for having the NFBC at the Bellagio, perhaps the better solution is to just make the entry fee bigger. There will be far less questions with a nebulous Entry Fee versus an entry fee plus a specific Events Fee. [/QUOTE]I agree with you Glenn, "events fee" should be for the weekend, not for a single draft.
My point was that it is silly to say" if the event fee costs me $50 I'd rather eat Dennys and not pay it". An events fee implies that it is for the event (venue/food/bev/amenities/whatever they throw in there), not a sandwich. [/QUOTE]Not sure if you read this, KJ...
"None of the Events Fee is to cover our normal expenses:
facility space,
facilitators,
draft boards,
etc.
Just food and beverage."
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
How many times does it need to be said ... an events fee is not a food&bev fee?
Which is the event: the weekend, or the individual draft? I'm all for making the event (and by my definition, that means the weekend) bigger and better. However, once you start applying "Events Fees" to the equation, people are much more likely to challenge the specifics.
If you have to charge more for having the NFBC at the Bellagio, perhaps the better solution is to just make the entry fee bigger. There will be far less questions with a nebulous Entry Fee versus an entry fee plus a specific Events Fee. [/QUOTE]I agree with you Glenn, "events fee" should be for the weekend, not for a single draft.
My point was that it is silly to say" if the event fee costs me $50 I'd rather eat Dennys and not pay it". An events fee implies that it is for the event (venue/food/bev/amenities/whatever they throw in there), not a sandwich. [/QUOTE]Not sure if you read this, KJ...
"None of the Events Fee is to cover our normal expenses:
facility space,
facilitators,
draft boards,
etc.
Just food and beverage."
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Happy thoughts...happy thoughts!!! 
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Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Happy thoughts...happy thoughts!!! I was just about to submit your post to Sports Illustrated:
"This Week's Sign That The Apocalypse Is Upon Us" -- Lance can live with a 25% to 30% house rake
Happy thoughts...happy thoughts!!!
I was just about to submit your post to Sports Illustrated:"This Week's Sign That The Apocalypse Is Upon Us" -- Lance can live with a 25% to 30% house rake
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Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
How many times does it need to be said ... an events fee is not a food&bev fee? Which is the event: the weekend, or the individual draft?
I'm all for making the event (and by my definition, that means the weekend) bigger and better. However, once you start applying "Events Fees" to the equation, people are much more likely to challenge the specifics.
If you have to charge more for having the NFBC at the Bellagio, perhaps the better solution is to just make the entry fee bigger. There will be far less questions with a nebulous Entry Fee versus an entry fee plus a specific Events Fee. [/QUOTE]I agree with you Glenn, "events fee" should be for the weekend, not for a single draft.
My point was that it is silly to say" if the event fee costs me $50 I'd rather eat Dennys and not pay it". An events fee implies that it is for the event (venue/food/bev/amenities/whatever they throw in there), not a sandwich. [/QUOTE]Not sure if you read this, KJ...
"None of the Events Fee is to cover our normal expenses:
facility space,
facilitators,
draft boards,
etc.
Just food and beverage." [/QUOTE]I did not read that Lance, but I have seen Greg say several times that it wasn't just food/bev. I don't know what he has up his sleeve, but I'm looking foward to it.
[ October 18, 2009, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
How many times does it need to be said ... an events fee is not a food&bev fee?
Which is the event: the weekend, or the individual draft? I'm all for making the event (and by my definition, that means the weekend) bigger and better. However, once you start applying "Events Fees" to the equation, people are much more likely to challenge the specifics.
If you have to charge more for having the NFBC at the Bellagio, perhaps the better solution is to just make the entry fee bigger. There will be far less questions with a nebulous Entry Fee versus an entry fee plus a specific Events Fee. [/QUOTE]I agree with you Glenn, "events fee" should be for the weekend, not for a single draft.
My point was that it is silly to say" if the event fee costs me $50 I'd rather eat Dennys and not pay it". An events fee implies that it is for the event (venue/food/bev/amenities/whatever they throw in there), not a sandwich. [/QUOTE]Not sure if you read this, KJ...
"None of the Events Fee is to cover our normal expenses:
facility space,
facilitators,
draft boards,
etc.
Just food and beverage." [/QUOTE]I did not read that Lance, but I have seen Greg say several times that it wasn't just food/bev. I don't know what he has up his sleeve, but I'm looking foward to it.
[ October 18, 2009, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]
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Originally posted by bjoak:
quote:Originally posted by RoundTrippers:
i disagree bjoak...to each his own. i personally feel there will be value in the 1st weekend. we agree to disagree for that reason i will be drafting week 1 and 2...good luck. i believe alot more people on the boards should be working on their cheatsheets rather than worrying about trivial bull****...back to my baseball prep!!! If you're drafting both weeks rather than just week 1, I don't see your point. I'm just saying you are at a greater advantage in week 2 (if you're good), not that week 1 isn't worth playing in. [/QUOTE]If someone really knows baseball, I think the advantage is to participate in the early draft. Those who have the skills to accurately forecast what will transpire ahead of time(ie position battles) their advantage increases the farther removed they are from opening day. The closer you get to opening day, the more you remove that particular skill element from the equation.
quote:Originally posted by RoundTrippers:
i disagree bjoak...to each his own. i personally feel there will be value in the 1st weekend. we agree to disagree for that reason i will be drafting week 1 and 2...good luck. i believe alot more people on the boards should be working on their cheatsheets rather than worrying about trivial bull****...back to my baseball prep!!! If you're drafting both weeks rather than just week 1, I don't see your point. I'm just saying you are at a greater advantage in week 2 (if you're good), not that week 1 isn't worth playing in. [/QUOTE]If someone really knows baseball, I think the advantage is to participate in the early draft. Those who have the skills to accurately forecast what will transpire ahead of time(ie position battles) their advantage increases the farther removed they are from opening day. The closer you get to opening day, the more you remove that particular skill element from the equation.
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Originally posted by Liquidhippo:
quote:Originally posted by bjoak:
quote:Originally posted by RoundTrippers:
i disagree bjoak...to each his own. i personally feel there will be value in the 1st weekend. we agree to disagree for that reason i will be drafting week 1 and 2...good luck. i believe alot more people on the boards should be working on their cheatsheets rather than worrying about trivial bull****...back to my baseball prep!!! If you're drafting both weeks rather than just week 1, I don't see your point. I'm just saying you are at a greater advantage in week 2 (if you're good), not that week 1 isn't worth playing in. [/QUOTE]If someone really knows baseball, I think the advantage is to participate in the early draft. Those who have the skills to accurately forecast what will transpire ahead of time(ie position battles) their advantage increases the farther removed they are from opening day. The closer you get to opening day, the more you remove that particular skill element from the equation. [/QUOTE]I think (but am not sure)...that the more "fish/sheep/lower level success rate" players...the better.
Seems that more of those type folks may show up week two...ensuring the above ratio is better than weekend one.
quote:Originally posted by bjoak:
quote:Originally posted by RoundTrippers:
i disagree bjoak...to each his own. i personally feel there will be value in the 1st weekend. we agree to disagree for that reason i will be drafting week 1 and 2...good luck. i believe alot more people on the boards should be working on their cheatsheets rather than worrying about trivial bull****...back to my baseball prep!!! If you're drafting both weeks rather than just week 1, I don't see your point. I'm just saying you are at a greater advantage in week 2 (if you're good), not that week 1 isn't worth playing in. [/QUOTE]If someone really knows baseball, I think the advantage is to participate in the early draft. Those who have the skills to accurately forecast what will transpire ahead of time(ie position battles) their advantage increases the farther removed they are from opening day. The closer you get to opening day, the more you remove that particular skill element from the equation. [/QUOTE]I think (but am not sure)...that the more "fish/sheep/lower level success rate" players...the better.
Seems that more of those type folks may show up week two...ensuring the above ratio is better than weekend one.
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Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Happy thoughts...happy thoughts!!! I was just about to submit your post to Sports Illustrated:
"This Week's Sign That The Apocalypse Is Upon Us" -- Lance can live with a 25% to 30% house rake [/QUOTE]I looked at my post...and squinted my eyes...and said to myself..."Did I just write that???"
Had to reconsider...damn good buzz!
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Happy thoughts...happy thoughts!!!
I was just about to submit your post to Sports Illustrated:"This Week's Sign That The Apocalypse Is Upon Us" -- Lance can live with a 25% to 30% house rake [/QUOTE]I looked at my post...and squinted my eyes...and said to myself..."Did I just write that???"
Had to reconsider...damn good buzz!
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Pretty informative quote...
"But we didn't feel that debuting with a $100 Events Fee was right and we didn't want to raise the entry fee to $1400 or $1500 or lower the prize pool by 5% or more ."
Those were all options tossed about by our previous owners and I didn't feel they would fly.
Not sure where the previous ownership conversations relate.
Welcome to BIG FANTASY.
Sorry...couldn't resist, Greg...I feel dirty when I just let stuff go by without a closer look!
It sickens me a bit, because I see through the entire process of the threads trying to see what will fly and adjusting accordingly.
Let's just say one puts out a "horrible scenario"...then allows it to be debated down to "a putrid scenario"...and then maybe even submit a tiny bit to the strong willed message board posters...and give another half inch...then set it in stone (ignoring all input from non-Message Boarders) You may even gain 2-3% more than thought, due to not much resistance on the modern message board.
Buying off the MB posters with the most resistance is a plan considered. (please! )
I'll regret this in the morning...but once again it's not 100% off base...though it may be 99% off base!)
Sign me up for the 27th!
Pssst...it's Sunday Night again!
[ October 18, 2009, 11:55 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]
"But we didn't feel that debuting with a $100 Events Fee was right and we didn't want to raise the entry fee to $1400 or $1500 or lower the prize pool by 5% or more ."
Those were all options tossed about by our previous owners and I didn't feel they would fly.
Not sure where the previous ownership conversations relate.
Welcome to BIG FANTASY.
Sorry...couldn't resist, Greg...I feel dirty when I just let stuff go by without a closer look!
It sickens me a bit, because I see through the entire process of the threads trying to see what will fly and adjusting accordingly.
Let's just say one puts out a "horrible scenario"...then allows it to be debated down to "a putrid scenario"...and then maybe even submit a tiny bit to the strong willed message board posters...and give another half inch...then set it in stone (ignoring all input from non-Message Boarders) You may even gain 2-3% more than thought, due to not much resistance on the modern message board.
Buying off the MB posters with the most resistance is a plan considered. (please!
)I'll regret this in the morning...but once again it's not 100% off base...though it may be 99% off base!)
Sign me up for the 27th!
Pssst...it's Sunday Night again!
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
How many times does it need to be said ... an events fee is not a food&bev fee? Which is the event: the weekend, or the individual draft?
I'm all for making the event (and by my definition, that means the weekend) bigger and better. However, once you start applying "Events Fees" to the equation, people are much more likely to challenge the specifics.
If you have to charge more for having the NFBC at the Bellagio, perhaps the better solution is to just make the entry fee bigger. There will be far less questions with a nebulous Entry Fee versus an entry fee plus a specific Events Fee. [/QUOTE]I agree with you Glenn, "events fee" should be for the weekend, not for a single draft.
My point was that it is silly to say" if the event fee costs me $50 I'd rather eat Dennys and not pay it". An events fee implies that it is for the event (venue/food/bev/amenities/whatever they throw in there), not a sandwich. [/QUOTE]Not sure if you read this, KJ...
"None of the Events Fee is to cover our normal expenses:
facility space,
facilitators,
draft boards,
etc.
Just food and beverage." [/QUOTE]I did not read that Lance, but I have seen Greg say several times that it wasn't just food/bev. I don't know what he has up his sleeve, but I'm looking foward to it. [/QUOTE]You did not read that, KJ...due to it being edited.
Greg looks to have edited his post a couple hours after posting.
Maybe he got the nudge on the shoulder from "E"...
"Gregory...get rid of that sentence!"
Why am I the bad guy???
I hate bullshit, and can't help but call it out.
I guess it's my fate.
I'm still eyeballing that Diamond League...so don't castrate me!
I know four "E's" now...
Easy E (the dead rapper)
E (Eric Lindgren)
E (From Entorage...the manager dude)
E (Houston)
Can I call Ryan E4? (How about E squared?)
[ October 19, 2009, 12:18 AM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:
quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:
How many times does it need to be said ... an events fee is not a food&bev fee?
Which is the event: the weekend, or the individual draft? I'm all for making the event (and by my definition, that means the weekend) bigger and better. However, once you start applying "Events Fees" to the equation, people are much more likely to challenge the specifics.
If you have to charge more for having the NFBC at the Bellagio, perhaps the better solution is to just make the entry fee bigger. There will be far less questions with a nebulous Entry Fee versus an entry fee plus a specific Events Fee. [/QUOTE]I agree with you Glenn, "events fee" should be for the weekend, not for a single draft.
My point was that it is silly to say" if the event fee costs me $50 I'd rather eat Dennys and not pay it". An events fee implies that it is for the event (venue/food/bev/amenities/whatever they throw in there), not a sandwich. [/QUOTE]Not sure if you read this, KJ...
"None of the Events Fee is to cover our normal expenses:
facility space,
facilitators,
draft boards,
etc.
Just food and beverage." [/QUOTE]I did not read that Lance, but I have seen Greg say several times that it wasn't just food/bev. I don't know what he has up his sleeve, but I'm looking foward to it. [/QUOTE]You did not read that, KJ...due to it being edited.
Greg looks to have edited his post a couple hours after posting.
Maybe he got the nudge on the shoulder from "E"...
"Gregory...get rid of that sentence!"
Why am I the bad guy???
I hate bullshit, and can't help but call it out.
I guess it's my fate.
I'm still eyeballing that Diamond League...so don't castrate me!
I know four "E's" now...
Easy E (the dead rapper)
E (Eric Lindgren)
E (From Entorage...the manager dude)
E (Houston)
Can I call Ryan E4? (How about E squared?)
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Ignore all of my above posts.
No room for cynical folks like me.
Ahh, what the heck...gives folks something stupid to read on Monday mornings.
Maybe I help folks feel better because they are not me!
[ October 19, 2009, 12:33 AM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]
No room for cynical folks like me.
Ahh, what the heck...gives folks something stupid to read on Monday mornings.
Maybe I help folks feel better because they are not me!
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Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Why am I the bad guy???
I hate bullshit, and can't help but call it out.
Hey Lance, I''m with ya there. But you seem to find it 10 times for every one time it's there.
Why am I the bad guy???
I hate bullshit, and can't help but call it out.
Hey Lance, I''m with ya there. But you seem to find it 10 times for every one time it's there.
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Originally posted by KJ Duke:
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Why am I the bad guy???
I hate bullshit, and can't help but call it out.
Hey Lance, I''m with ya there. But you seem to find it 100 times for every one time it's there. [/QUOTE]Fixed....
J/K Lance...
If people are comparing hotel restaurant prices with CATERING prices for the events, then they really need to spend just TEN minutes on the phone with a catering department at ANY of the decent LV hotels. You'll back off as fast as Lance can pour his next drink
I quit running events in LV back in '94 when 100 meatballs cost $125.
Give a few hours after the Main Event (like NFFC) to go grab some food and forget all this fee stuff. We're there to draft, not eat.
Had a GREAT time meeting new friends at lunch after NFFC Main and before NFFC Primetime. Get the hotel to give $5 off food vouchers so everyone eats at the hotel between drafts.
quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:
Why am I the bad guy???
I hate bullshit, and can't help but call it out.
Hey Lance, I''m with ya there. But you seem to find it 100 times for every one time it's there.
[/QUOTE]Fixed.... J/K Lance...
If people are comparing hotel restaurant prices with CATERING prices for the events, then they really need to spend just TEN minutes on the phone with a catering department at ANY of the decent LV hotels. You'll back off as fast as Lance can pour his next drink
I quit running events in LV back in '94 when 100 meatballs cost $125.
Give a few hours after the Main Event (like NFFC) to go grab some food and forget all this fee stuff. We're there to draft, not eat.
Had a GREAT time meeting new friends at lunch after NFFC Main and before NFFC Primetime. Get the hotel to give $5 off food vouchers so everyone eats at the hotel between drafts.
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Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
No offense taken and it is for food and drink and yes it will cost us more than $30 per person for what we're offering. None of the Events Fee is to cover our normal expenses: facility space, facilitators, draft boards, etc. Just food and beverage. i think this clearly explains what the events fee is for:
1. Food
2. Drink
like i said, i have every trust in greg that the quality AND quantity of food and drink will be worth well more than $50.
No offense taken and it is for food and drink and yes it will cost us more than $30 per person for what we're offering. None of the Events Fee is to cover our normal expenses: facility space, facilitators, draft boards, etc. Just food and beverage. i think this clearly explains what the events fee is for:
1. Food
2. Drink
like i said, i have every trust in greg that the quality AND quantity of food and drink will be worth well more than $50.
Events Fees In 2010 For NFBC
Originally posted by Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
No offense taken and it is for food and drink and yes it will cost us more than $30 per person for what we're offering. None of the Events Fee is to cover our normal expenses: facility space, facilitators, draft boards, etc. Just food and beverage. i think this clearly explains what the events fee is for:
1. Food
2. Drink
like i said, i have every trust in greg that the quality AND quantity of food and drink will be worth well more than $50. [/QUOTE]Gekko ... below quotes by Greg since then:
... the cost of renting 22,000 square feet at the Bellagio compared to 15,000 square feet at the Flamingo is not even close and we are assuming a lot more costs outside of the added food and beverage.
...And please get beyond the $50 means $50 in just food. There are other amenities involved and we'll provide those in every city. Just stay tuned. We're working on so many fronts to make this better and in the end we hope to pull them all off, but it's possible we won't be able to. But we're thinking bigger on every front. Nobody has done some of the things we're trying to pull off.
quote:Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:
No offense taken and it is for food and drink and yes it will cost us more than $30 per person for what we're offering. None of the Events Fee is to cover our normal expenses: facility space, facilitators, draft boards, etc. Just food and beverage. i think this clearly explains what the events fee is for:
1. Food
2. Drink
like i said, i have every trust in greg that the quality AND quantity of food and drink will be worth well more than $50. [/QUOTE]Gekko ... below quotes by Greg since then:
... the cost of renting 22,000 square feet at the Bellagio compared to 15,000 square feet at the Flamingo is not even close and we are assuming a lot more costs outside of the added food and beverage.
...And please get beyond the $50 means $50 in just food. There are other amenities involved and we'll provide those in every city. Just stay tuned. We're working on so many fronts to make this better and in the end we hope to pull them all off, but it's possible we won't be able to. But we're thinking bigger on every front. Nobody has done some of the things we're trying to pull off.
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KC is probably in a better position to know this.
From what I've seen of inflation since 2002 when the NFBC started the going rate would be $1488.00
Back in 2002 it was $1250. Not sure why anyone doesn't see this as a great deal????
From what I've seen of inflation since 2002 when the NFBC started the going rate would be $1488.00
Back in 2002 it was $1250. Not sure why anyone doesn't see this as a great deal????
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Wow, you go to Lambeau Field for a few days and you miss five pages of sober and drunken posts!! Tough to catch up in one day.
I can't respond to every post here at this point because I have so many other things to take care of, but thanks for your feedback and we'll take everything into consideration. Sack got the ball rolling in a positive way on how we should deal with Events Fees involving multiple entries. I think there's a middle ground to make this work for everyone, but for those who say they'd rather draft in a basement with no amenities and no fees the bottom line is that we're moving on up and not going backwards at this point. So let's find a way to improve this TOGETHER.
We could have easily told everyone that the main event is now $1350 this year and a co-manager fee is $50 like usual and left the prize money alone. Basically, that's what we're doing, okay? It's $1350 if you draft alone and $50 with a co-manager, an increase of $50 from last year. But I figured that folks would then be all up in arms with the percentage of payout because it went down slightly. But it's the added cost of everything we're doing together to make this a better EVENT/CONTEST.
So that's what it is this year: $1350 for the main event and $50 for a co-manager fee. Sorry for the increased entry price, but we promise you'll love the add-ons for the draft.
Again, Sack has us discussing internally about the multiple entry Events Fee and that's where we're at now. We need to finalize New York and Chicago first and then finalize everything else, including your food choices. So hang tight and thanks for a weekend of dialogue.
Tough to catch up in one day.I can't respond to every post here at this point because I have so many other things to take care of, but thanks for your feedback and we'll take everything into consideration. Sack got the ball rolling in a positive way on how we should deal with Events Fees involving multiple entries. I think there's a middle ground to make this work for everyone, but for those who say they'd rather draft in a basement with no amenities and no fees the bottom line is that we're moving on up and not going backwards at this point. So let's find a way to improve this TOGETHER.
We could have easily told everyone that the main event is now $1350 this year and a co-manager fee is $50 like usual and left the prize money alone. Basically, that's what we're doing, okay? It's $1350 if you draft alone and $50 with a co-manager, an increase of $50 from last year. But I figured that folks would then be all up in arms with the percentage of payout because it went down slightly. But it's the added cost of everything we're doing together to make this a better EVENT/CONTEST.
So that's what it is this year: $1350 for the main event and $50 for a co-manager fee. Sorry for the increased entry price, but we promise you'll love the add-ons for the draft.
Again, Sack has us discussing internally about the multiple entry Events Fee and that's where we're at now. We need to finalize New York and Chicago first and then finalize everything else, including your food choices. So hang tight and thanks for a weekend of dialogue.
Greg Ambrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
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Gregory,
The solution is simple. People don’t like to be nickel’d and dime’d to death. If we have bad news (paying an event fee), let’s deal with it once, and move on.
In the case of event fees, charge everyone one set fee, no matter how many live events they participate in. The way it’s set up now (separate events fee for every live contest) discourages owners from doing more events.
Charge all owners participating in the $1,300 main event, $800 auction championship, and/or $500 double play ONE SET FEE. For instance, charge everyone $75 no matter how many leagues they are in. That would encourage owners to buy as many teams as they wanted. And make sure you include those cheapskate on-line drafters! They should have to pay as well for the extra resources (phone, MDC, etc…).
The solution is simple. People don’t like to be nickel’d and dime’d to death. If we have bad news (paying an event fee), let’s deal with it once, and move on.
In the case of event fees, charge everyone one set fee, no matter how many live events they participate in. The way it’s set up now (separate events fee for every live contest) discourages owners from doing more events.
Charge all owners participating in the $1,300 main event, $800 auction championship, and/or $500 double play ONE SET FEE. For instance, charge everyone $75 no matter how many leagues they are in. That would encourage owners to buy as many teams as they wanted. And make sure you include those cheapskate on-line drafters! They should have to pay as well for the extra resources (phone, MDC, etc…).
Events Fees In 2010 For NFBC
Originally posted by Walla Walla:
KC is probably in a better position to know this.
From what I've seen of inflation since 2002 when the NFBC started the going rate would be $1488.00
Back in 2002 it was $1250. Not sure why anyone doesn't see this as a great deal???? You'd only inflate the profit margin and costs not what is paid back out as prize money. :rolleyes:
KC is probably in a better position to know this.
From what I've seen of inflation since 2002 when the NFBC started the going rate would be $1488.00
Back in 2002 it was $1250. Not sure why anyone doesn't see this as a great deal????
You'd only inflate the profit margin and costs not what is paid back out as prize money. :rolleyes:Chance favors the prepared mind.
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Originally posted by Gekko:
Gregory,
The solution is simple. People don’t like to be nickel’d and dime’d to death. If we have bad news (paying an event fee), let’s deal with it once, and move on.
In the case of event fees, charge everyone one set fee, no matter how many live events they participate in. The way it’s set up now (separate events fee for every live contest) discourages owners from doing more events.
Charge all owners participating in the $1,300 main event, $800 auction championship, and/or $500 double play ONE SET FEE. For instance, charge everyone $75 no matter how many leagues they are in. That would encourage owners to buy as many teams as they wanted. And make sure you include those cheapskate on-line drafters! They should have to pay as well for the extra resources (phone, MDC, etc…). It took 3 minutes for someone to post a dissenting view on this!! See what we're dealing with?
We'll just have to figure this out and move on. Folks wanted us to improve the event, bring in more new players, upscale the feel of the main event and all the rest and the focus now is on the Events Fee. Again, thanks for all of the input and we'll hopefully make the right decisions for the vast majority of NFBC players, present and future.
Gregory,
The solution is simple. People don’t like to be nickel’d and dime’d to death. If we have bad news (paying an event fee), let’s deal with it once, and move on.
In the case of event fees, charge everyone one set fee, no matter how many live events they participate in. The way it’s set up now (separate events fee for every live contest) discourages owners from doing more events.
Charge all owners participating in the $1,300 main event, $800 auction championship, and/or $500 double play ONE SET FEE. For instance, charge everyone $75 no matter how many leagues they are in. That would encourage owners to buy as many teams as they wanted. And make sure you include those cheapskate on-line drafters! They should have to pay as well for the extra resources (phone, MDC, etc…). It took 3 minutes for someone to post a dissenting view on this!! See what we're dealing with?
We'll just have to figure this out and move on. Folks wanted us to improve the event, bring in more new players, upscale the feel of the main event and all the rest and the focus now is on the Events Fee. Again, thanks for all of the input and we'll hopefully make the right decisions for the vast majority of NFBC players, present and future.
Greg Ambrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius
Founder, National Fantasy Baseball Championship
General Manager, Consumer Fantasy Games at SportsHub Technologies
Twitter - @GregAmbrosius