Hideki Matsui

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sat May 13, 2006 9:11 am

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

UFS,

My experience(which is very limited compared to yours) has shown me that a 7-man reserved list is plenty used at an owner's disgression.

Specifically the inclusion of Bannister on your list of DL'd guys is laughable, because you picked him up 6 days ago, when he was already injured! And Duchscherer sounds like he'll be day-day with elbow tendinitis all year. So really I only consider you with 5 guys on the DL. Duchscherer went on today. I now have 7.

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JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sat May 13, 2006 9:12 am

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

UFS,

But you are stil atleast 3 or 4 more injuries away from that. Sorry, but that is laughable.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sat May 13, 2006 9:21 am

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

I just think addidng a specific IR adds to some potential high-jink and chicanery, in terms of picking up already DL'd guys and even some draft strategies. All those injury prone guys get a bump up, knowing that they won't cost you a reserve spot.

But in the end, the NFBC is the best format I have played in, against the best competition, and if Greg thought that a separate IR was the right move then so be it. We just play the cards were dealt. Good point there.... not as much as you think.

The draft really isn't changed much at all from my experience. Hurt players would still go in the same slotsas they do now.

Maybe starting IR FA moves week 2 or 3 would offset that concern. Just an idea.

Also, I've never really seen that strategy work FWIW. If someone does take K.Wood two rounds earlier than normal with an IR, the rest of the teams benefit more by picking better players that have already played two months.

Agree 100% with you on NFBC

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat May 13, 2006 9:24 am

7 non-active spots is enough. if you want to call 2 of them IR, you're more than welcome to. we all have tough cuts to make sometimes. sac up

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Sat May 13, 2006 9:36 am

No one dislikes Zaleski more than I do, well maybe bjoak, Gekko, his current leaguemates but that is not the point. But I still like his idea on the surface.

The idea of trimming down to 28 and allowing endless roster moves does make injuries a little more bearable but more than anything it mirrors the real game which should always be one of the major goals of any league.

I can certainly see why people would not agree with me or the bottom 25 lifetime owner who came up with it- but it does merit some debate.

[ May 13, 2006, 03:39 PM: Message edited by: Chest Rockwell ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat May 13, 2006 10:14 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

No one dislikes Zaleski more than I do, well maybe bjoak, Gekko, his current leaguemates but that is not the point. But I still like his idea on the surface.actually john is a very nice guy. i hope to rub elbows with him out in vegas for the nffc this year. john criticizes my blackjack play, while i'm the only one who didn't lose any money.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sat May 13, 2006 5:50 pm

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

Info from the satellite draft before the main event, duh. Comedy. Why do you think anyone cares who you draft?

Do you really believe ANYONE is looking at YOUR draft and basing whom they are going to pick in ANY draft after that?

The world according to Bjoak :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

On Kotchman, based on your comments, you've never seen him hit when healthy. He's been playing with mono.

Bannister K'd 8 per 9 IP in the minors. I need the wins and he's on one of the best hitting teams in baseball.

He's had 5 decent starts and normal rookie jitters have led to a few more walks than normal. Probably the only league that cut him, and I beat FAAB by a $1, 52-51. [/QUOTE]I had one guy in my satellite league that was in my nfbc league and I closely inspected his picks. To not do so would be ignoring game strategy and not doing my best to win. If his picks were floated all over these boards all the people in my league would have had the same advantage over him. But I don't really need to explain this to you. I actually think you aren't this stupid, just a jerk.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sat May 13, 2006 5:55 pm

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

Yah, to weigh in on the actual conversation, picking healthy players is a skill. If you can't do it, you deserve the debit. Predicting health doesn't involve any more luck than predicting performance. Good point, that's why I drafted Matsui. [/QUOTE]And Shef? You know, I'm sure if all the #1's could have their picks back they'd take Pujols, and Nick Swisher might just not go in the 20th round. I didn't say it was easy to predict performance or health, just that you can do both.

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Sat May 13, 2006 10:12 pm

Touche with Duchscherer. However, get Bannister out of your count, tough to claim bad luck that he is on the DL when you picked him up 6 days ago. I still think hteir are other cuts, before Matsui is a must! Duchscherer being one of them.

Moneymaker · Post by **Moneymaker** » Sun May 14, 2006 3:30 am

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

I just think addidng a specific IR adds to some potential high-jink and chicanery, in terms of picking up already DL'd guys and even some draft strategies.I disagree. Here's an example about chicanery that can happen without IR:

Coco Crisp was dropped in a few (not all) leagues last year after he was injured. I picked him up and he starting scoring big for me about a week later and for the rest of the season.

Was it fair that Crisp was available in my league and not others?

Would I have won the $100,000 if I didn't land Crisp?

Would Crisp have been dropped if there were an IR position?

How often do difference-making players like this get dropped after they get injured, only to get picked-up by teams who are able hold them (teams that have don't have many injuries, and therefore are probably doing well)?

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Sun May 14, 2006 3:53 am

There was alot of dis-information regarding the Crisp injury last year. So that may have been a bit unique. Regardless, in the rules there is in place an element that Greg can at his disgressional allow a drop but then not allow that player into the pool. Unique situations are where the commish earns his enormous salary.

Don't get me wrong, there definitely is a compelling argument for an IR. However, I think 7 roster spots should be plenty and all though I don't completely agree with bjoak's premises about an ability to pick healthy players, I have a tough time feeling bad for an UFS team that picked Bartolo Colon and Mike Sweeney. (Sweeney wears the DL symbol on his uniform as prominently as Varitek wears a C)

Jackstraw · Post by **Jackstraw** » Sun May 14, 2006 5:42 am

Either way it works out fine. With an IR all you are doing is creating one extra bench spot. It is just that that spot has to be filled with a DL guy. If you already have a bench full of DL's then it really isn't going to matter much. You're just going to add one more DL player. I have to echo the sentiments of some of the other members and why waste bench space on so many DL'd players? For instance, you got Bannister and you got Gagne. Gagne is worth something and probably is on a no-cut list hidden somewhere deep inside of Greg's mind. Bannister on the other hand hasn't really proven himself and he's a SP. SP's are a dime a dozen. Cut him and get you somebody that can give you some flexibility.

My thoughts are somebody needs to figure out what the optimal number of bench spots need to be to keep the rosters flexible and still keep the competition healthy. Forget about the IR. On top of that whenever you add somebody to the IR you are going to end up with an illegal roster, which STATS isn't going to accept. So you have a programming problem there.

I'll accept whatever bench size everybody thinks is fair, but I reserve my vote against an IR or DL spot in the roster. And I think where we are today is more than fine.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sun May 14, 2006 5:59 am

My thoughts are somebody needs to figure out what the optimal number of bench spots need to be to keep the rosters flexible and still keep the competition healthy. They did. It's 7.

Jackstraw · Post by **Jackstraw** » Sun May 14, 2006 6:11 am

Like I said, where we are today is perfectly fine with me.

So, 7 it is for you and me.

Bama · Post by **Bama** » Sun May 14, 2006 7:00 am

This is something that is not needed and should not be given any consideration, just another way to help bad and lazy owners, just like the fri DL rule which needs to done away with.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun May 14, 2006 7:56 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

No one dislikes Zaleski more than I do, well maybe bjoak, Gekko, his current leaguemates but that is not the point. But I still like his idea on the surface.actually john is a very nice guy. i hope to rub elbows with him out in vegas for the nffc this year. john criticizes my blackjack play, while i'm the only one who didn't lose any money. [/QUOTE]You are such a liar on the blackjack

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun May 14, 2006 7:59 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

I had one guy in my satellite league that was in my nfbc league and I closely inspected his picks. To not do so would be ignoring game strategy and not doing my best to win. If his picks were floated all over these boards all the people in my league would have had the same advantage over him. But I don't really need to explain this to you. I actually think you aren't this stupid, just a jerk. [/QB][/quote]

This is freakin hilarious since every draft is so different.

I would think jerk refers to your first post that took this off topic, but that's just me.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun May 14, 2006 8:02 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

Yah, to weigh in on the actual conversation, picking healthy players is a skill. If you can't do it, you deserve the debit. Predicting health doesn't involve any more luck than predicting performance. Good point, that's why I drafted Matsui. [/QUOTE]And Shef? You know, I'm sure if all the #1's could have their picks back they'd take Pujols, and Nick Swisher might just not go in the 20th round. I didn't say it was easy to predict performance or health, just that you can do both. [/QUOTE]Sheff has played 155, 154, 154 games the last 3 seasons. He was a great pick at 3.9

What world do you live in?

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sun May 14, 2006 8:07 am

Originally posted by KLN:

This is something that is not needed and should not be given any consideration, just another way to help bad and lazy owners, just like the fri DL rule which needs to done away with. I wonder how often the Friday DL rule actually helps anyone. It requires so many conditions. Usually you know by Monday whether a player is ailing. If he's fine and something happens on the field, then he actually has to go on the DL by Friday. If the injury happens on Thursday you can pretty much forget it. It probably won't happen even if said player gets crushed under a dump truck. On top of all that, you have to actually have a player to replace him and then he has to be decent enough to not go 0-12 over the weekend.

The only time I even had a chance to use it was this week when Contreras went on the DL (and I might have anticipated it if I was watching more closely last weekend) and I didn't have any pitchers who had starts left over the weekend. I'm not complaining as much as it just seems pretty worthless for the maybe one time over the course of a season that I'll get extra production out of a slot for 3 days.

Also, I paid $1350 for these teams. I really don't need 4 lineup reminders in my e-mail each week. I've kind of figured out how the system works by now.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun May 14, 2006 8:08 am

Originally posted by Moneymaker:

quote:Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

I just think addidng a specific IR adds to some potential high-jink and chicanery, in terms of picking up already DL'd guys and even some draft strategies.I disagree. Here's an example about chicanery that can happen without IR:

Coco Crisp was dropped in a few (not all) leagues last year after he was injured. I picked him up and he starting scoring big for me about a week later and for the rest of the season.

Was it fair that Crisp was available in my league and not others?

Would I have won the $100,000 if I didn't land Crisp?

Would Crisp have been dropped if there were an IR position?

How often do difference-making players like this get dropped after they get injured, only to get picked-up by teams who are able hold them (teams that have don't have many injuries, and therefore are probably doing well)? [/QUOTE]Great post. An IR elimnate this problem.

Hey Chest. this guy is not in the bottom of the oevrall standings. I guess it's comments like this that makes you hate me.

Here's another one....

I see Greg posted KDS.

I see your "last" choice was #14, not 15.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun May 14, 2006 8:11 am

Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

There was alot of dis-information regarding the Crisp injury last year. So that may have been a bit unique. Regardless, in the rules there is in place an element that Greg can at his disgressional allow a drop but then not allow that player into the pool. Unique situations are where the commish earns his enormous salary.

Don't get me wrong, there definitely is a compelling argument for an IR. However, I think 7 roster spots should be plenty and all though I don't completely agree with bjoak's premises about an ability to pick healthy players, I have a tough time feeling bad for an UFS team that picked Bartolo Colon and Mike Sweeney. (Sweeney wears the DL symbol on his uniform as prominently as Varitek wears a C) No one asked you to feel bad.

Colon had pitched well in WBC so I thought that was not a concern, especially rd 10.

Sweeney, no problem there. Drafting him was a risk for sure. I always let 1B slide too far...

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sun May 14, 2006 8:12 am

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

Yah, to weigh in on the actual conversation, picking healthy players is a skill. If you can't do it, you deserve the debit. Predicting health doesn't involve any more luck than predicting performance. Good point, that's why I drafted Matsui. [/QUOTE]And Shef? You know, I'm sure if all the #1's could have their picks back they'd take Pujols, and Nick Swisher might just not go in the 20th round. I didn't say it was easy to predict performance or health, just that you can do both. [/QUOTE]Sheff has played 155, 154, 154 games the last 3 seasons. He was a great pick at 3.9

What world do you live in?

[/QUOTE]This is exactly what I'm talking about, you have no idea and that's why your team is full of DL risks. I can also, btw, name for you 10 pitchers who lost playing time over the past couple years that are lesser risks than 10 who didn't. But I won't.

Chest can tell you I predicted Shef's injury.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sun May 14, 2006 8:13 am

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by Moneymaker:

quote:Originally posted by Joe Sambito:

I just think addidng a specific IR adds to some potential high-jink and chicanery, in terms of picking up already DL'd guys and even some draft strategies.I disagree. Here's an example about chicanery that can happen without IR:

Coco Crisp was dropped in a few (not all) leagues last year after he was injured. I picked him up and he starting scoring big for me about a week later and for the rest of the season.

Was it fair that Crisp was available in my league and not others?

Would I have won the $100,000 if I didn't land Crisp?

Would Crisp have been dropped if there were an IR position?

How often do difference-making players like this get dropped after they get injured, only to get picked-up by teams who are able hold them (teams that have don't have many injuries, and therefore are probably doing well)? [/QUOTE]Great post. An IR elimnate this problem.

Hey Chest. this guy is not in the bottom of the oevrall standings. I guess it's comments like this that makes you hate me.

Here's another one....

I see Greg posted KDS.

I see your "last" choice was #14, not 15.

[/QUOTE]Try to remember to take your schitzophrenia medication before you post.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun May 14, 2006 8:14 am

Originally posted by Jackstraw:

Either way it works out fine. With an IR all you are doing is creating one extra bench spot. It is just that that spot has to be filled with a DL guy. If you already have a bench full of DL's then it really isn't going to matter much. You're just going to add one more DL player. I have to echo the sentiments of some of the other members and why waste bench space on so many DL'd players? For instance, you got Bannister and you got Gagne. Gagne is worth something and probably is on a no-cut list hidden somewhere deep inside of Greg's mind. Bannister on the other hand hasn't really proven himself and he's a SP. SP's are a dime a dozen. Cut him and get you somebody that can give you some flexibility.

My thoughts are somebody needs to figure out what the optimal number of bench spots need to be to keep the rosters flexible and still keep the competition healthy. Forget about the IR. On top of that whenever you add somebody to the IR you are going to end up with an illegal roster, which STATS isn't going to accept. So you have a programming problem there.

I'll accept whatever bench size everybody thinks is fair, but I reserve my vote against an IR or DL spot in the roster. And I think where we are today is more than fine. Good points.... but an IR is very easy to program. Programming wise, it's a position just like SS has a code.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun May 14, 2006 8:17 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

Also, I paid $1350 for these teams. I really don't need 4 lineup reminders in my e-mail each week. I've kind of figured out how the system works by now. Then turn off the emails in your "my settings" section.