USA down the chitter

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:19 am

Originally posted by UFS:

We've been attacked, the government needs to do whatever it takes in time of war. when does your "time of war" end? it's been years since 9/11

GoldenEagle · Post by **GoldenEagle** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 10:55 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

when does your "time of war" end? it's been years since 9/11 When the the Islamo-fascists "call off" their jihad against the West...

[ January 12, 2006, 04:56 PM: Message edited by: GoldenEagle ]

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:58 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

We've been attacked, the government needs to do whatever it takes in time of war. when does your "time of war" end? it's been years since 9/11 [/QUOTE]When Iraq is fully capable to take care of themselves. Something they desperately want to achieve as fast as possible.

It's been years. I guess it's time to forget.

Maybe this will help...

http://www.ultimatefs.com/newsletter/sept11.html

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:09 pm

Originally posted by UFS:

It's been years. I guess it's time to forget.john - don't forget what happened. i know i never will.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:05 am

Other fun reading on the topic should include the utopian "Brave New World" by Huxley and "It Can't Happen Here" by Sinclair Lewis.

Please also do not forget that we have had a few dictators in our past when it comes to expanded executive powers (Lincoln, and FDR come to mind). I do not mind the "action" (tapping suspects)...I mind forgoeing the process that was established in order to allow for timely survelience. I mean they had a court panel that was all but a rubber stamp and all they had to do was present there. So the act is not as abherrant to me as the poor planning committed by the Administration.

And think as well, if any one of those poor individuals who had there phone tapped had NOT been tapped, then strapped 50lbs of C4 to their worthless carcasses, and set it off at a daycare, the "loyal" opposition would be screaming that the Administration wasn't doing enough to protect Americans.

GoldenEagle · Post by **GoldenEagle** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:44 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

I mean they had a court panel that was all but a rubber stamp and all they had to do was present there. So the act is not as abherrant to me as the poor planning committed by the Administration. I've read that the FISA court "used to" rubber stamp virtually all the requests in the previous administration, but under the current administration, over 500 requests were not approved timely enough, so that contributed to the need to change tactics to stay ahead of the terrorist chatter patterns...

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:49 am

Originally posted by GoldenEagle:

so that contributed to the need to change tactics to stay ahead of the terrorist chatter patterns... change tactics? i think you meant to say "remove our civil liberties". nicely done

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:51 am

Originally posted by GoldenEagle:

I've read that the FISA court "used to" rubber stamp virtually all the requests in the previous administration, but under the current administration, over 500 requests were not approved timely enoughchange the approval system. get more "reviewers". don't strike down the Consitution because of lack of time/resources! geez.

Bruce in Vegas · Post by **Bruce in Vegas** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:15 am

WOW. This really isn't a baseball thread.

Laws are for everyone---especially for people with extra power who when corrupt can do harm to any of us .

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:39 am

Originally posted by Bruce in Vegas:

WOW. This really isn't a baseball thread.

Laws are for everyone---especially for people with extra power who when corrupt can do harm to any of us . TELL EM BRUCE!!! we got people willing to use the Constitution as toilet paper.

Bruce in Vegas · Post by **Bruce in Vegas** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:42 am

Maybe they should move the Constitution to York. It should be safe there.

Gordon--Come to Vegas. Your first meal is on me.

[ January 14, 2006, 01:44 PM: Message edited by: Bruce in Vegas ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:54 am

Originally posted by Bruce in Vegas:

Maybe they should move the Constitution to York. It should be safe there. lol!!

2003 - General Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:56 am

Originally posted by Bruce in Vegas:

Gordon--Come to Vegas. Your first meal is on me. bruce - you should post more!!! lol!!

i'm trying to work out getting to vegas. time away from my water delivery job isn't a problem. i just don't want to pay $400+ for a direct flight to vegas from philly. i'm calling in a favor to a friend. hopefully that will work out

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Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:24 am

Originally posted by Bruce in Vegas:

Gordon--Come to Vegas. Your first meal is on me. bruce - i don't see you on the sign-ups. what's your name?

Bruce in Vegas · Post by **Bruce in Vegas** » Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:37 am

I'm Bruce Evans. I'm in the 650 mixed. It's my first year and my partner is Ray.

Walla Walla · Post by **Walla Walla** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 6:07 am

G.G. Get your butt out here to Las Vegas! You know this is the place to draft.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:09 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

G.G. Get your butt out here to Las Vegas! You know this is the place to draft. john - if i can find a direct flight for less than $250, i'll be there. i don't think there's any chance of finding that, so i'll likely be in NY

Baum Threat · Post by **Baum Threat** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 4:39 am

Look my last freaking name is Baum - if I am not worried about the NSA listening to my phone calls I think everyone else can relax.

Oh and for those who seem to not realize it - Orwell wrote FICTION. What's next? Citing a Batman comic book that talks about a "police state" in Gotham?

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:36 am

Originally posted by Baum Threat:

Look my last freaking name is Baum - if I am not worried about the NSA listening to my phone calls I think everyone else can relax.

Oh and for those who seem to not realize it - Orwell wrote FICTION. What's next? Citing a Batman comic book that talks about a "police state" in Gotham? So Animal Farm was fiction??

That sure is nice to know because I have been basing my life off of a bird known as "Moses the Raven." And now I find out he is not real!

BTW, your comparison of Orwell to a DC comic is WAY off base...not even close...So I must ask..have you ever read Orwell?? If so, I think you would realize it is not quite fiction as you say.

GoldenEagle · Post by **GoldenEagle** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 3:43 pm

Wasn't Orwell's 1984 a novel that was essentially a satire on totalitarianism? The whole book was based on imaginary people, places (Oceania) and things. Translation: he made it all up! I believe most libraries would have a hard time classifying such a book in the non-fiction section...

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:50 pm

Originally posted by Baum Threat:

if I am not worried about the NSA listening to my phone calls I think everyone else can relax.

boy that makes me feel better :rolleyes:

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 10:51 pm

Originally posted by Baum Threat:

Oh and for those who seem to not realize it - Orwell wrote FICTION. What's next? Citing a Batman comic book that talks about a "police state" in Gotham? bush read "my pet goat" while the towers were attacked.

GoldenEagle · Post by **GoldenEagle** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:38 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

bush read "my pet goat" while the towers were attacked.Clinton was staining blue dresses in the Oval Office while letting Mohammed Atta be released from prison and twice refusing Sudan's offer to take UBL on a golden platter...

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Bruce in Vegas · Post by **Bruce in Vegas** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:38 am

Let's not attack past,current or future Presidents on this thread. I'm sure we can do better than that.

GoldenEagle · Post by **GoldenEagle** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:07 am

Sorry, Bruce, I didn't realize that re-reporting the facts of history was considered an attack. Just trying to keep the balance here...