Stuff, A Lot of Stuff

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Thu May 19, 2011 8:33 am

Originally posted by Cocktails and Dreams:

I am not sure how he developed that bat speed all of a sudden without drugs. It is truly incredible. Been saying his Gezunt. An observant Jew who tries to keep the Sabbath, Bautista told reporters while he was with St. Louis, "My family and I go to synagogue when we can and we pray every Friday. We fast on Yom Kippur and not only do I not pitch, I don't even go to the ball game."

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu May 19, 2011 8:37 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

So....Where do we rank him if next year's draft were now?

He loses 3b eligibility. But, that is the only negative.

I'm guessing that as of now, Pujols, Tulo, and Bautista may be the top three and not necessarily in that order.

Am I wrong? I think A Gonz bumps Pujols.

Hells Satans · Post by **Hells Satans** » Thu May 19, 2011 8:41 am

I think Ryan Braun is the surest thing out there and was underdrafted this year. Maybe if Fielder walks, you get a little scared about how much he gets pitched around, but's probably in Top 3 for me.

Scott Boras · Post by **Scott Boras** » Thu May 19, 2011 8:42 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

So....Where do we rank him if next year's draft were now?

He loses 3b eligibility. But, that is the only negative.

I'm guessing that as of now, Pujols, Tulo, and Bautista may be the top three and not necessarily in that order.

Am I wrong? No, not wrong. In fact, if the draft were right now you could make a legitimate case for him to go #1. Tulo has the positional edge, but Jose may pass Pujols depending on where Al lands next year and what his supporting cast looks like. Reyes and Braun to round out the top 5? Hanley has ground to make up. He's MIA.

Scott Boras · Post by **Scott Boras** » Thu May 19, 2011 8:44 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

So....Where do we rank him if next year's draft were now?

He loses 3b eligibility. But, that is the only negative.

I'm guessing that as of now, Pujols, Tulo, and Bautista may be the top three and not necessarily in that order.

Am I wrong? I think A Gonz bumps Pujols. [/QUOTE]I can see that

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu May 19, 2011 8:46 am

So, a top four of Pujols, Tulo, Bautista, Ad Gonzalez, and I'll throw in Braun.

Does that look like the five best fantasy players in baseball?

Hanley, CarGo, Cabrera, and Votto in the next tier with Cano?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu May 19, 2011 8:48 am

I'm thinking Reyes has to make it through the year without injury before being considered in the first round.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu May 19, 2011 8:54 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

So, a top four of Pujols, Tulo, Bautista, Ad Gonzalez, and I'll throw in Braun.

Does that look like the five best fantasy players in baseball?

Hanley, CarGo, Cabrera, and Votto in the next tier with Cano? 3b will look even WORSE going into next season. Losing Bautista maybe Prado, Arod older, Zimm and Wright #s visually poor. I say Longo in the next tier will carry more weight than Cargo.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu May 19, 2011 9:04 am

Alrighty, we'll say that Longo and CarGo are #'s 10 and 11. We may as well round out this puppy.

How about a bottom four of Teixeira, Kemp, Wright, and Howard.

Prince Fielder can probably find the best vegetarian food in San Francisco, but that wouldn't help him get in the first round.

Signing with the Yankees, Red Sox, or Rangers could. Leaving us with

Pujols

AdGonzalez

Tulo

Bautista

Braun

Hanley

Cabrera

Votto

Cano

Longoria

CarGo

Teixeira

Wright

Kemp

First alternates:

McCutchen

Stubbs

Howard

Fielder

In tiers of five, except for the final tier of four.

If sounding good, I'll try to remember to revisit this thread near the end of June to update. We'll see how much a month can change things.

[ May 19, 2011, 04:43 PM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu May 19, 2011 9:19 am

I think at the end of the day McCutch is bumping Howard into rd 2. I believe folks may desire the 5 cat package over the aging 1b...especially if the 1b position fleshes out w/some impact youngsters..ie Hosmer etc..

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu May 19, 2011 9:27 am

Sounds good. We'll have him as #15 and put Howard and Fielder at the top of the second round.

huskyfan88 · Post by **huskyfan88** » Thu May 19, 2011 9:29 am

How about a bottom four of Teixeira, Kemp, Wright and Howard.

Assuming his back doesn't become a Mattingly-like chronic injury.

ToddZ · Post by **ToddZ** » Thu May 19, 2011 10:33 am

If McCutchen is in the conversation, then Drew Stubbs has to be as well.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu May 19, 2011 10:42 am

Alright.

Lets do 14 first rounders, with others knocking at the door, including McCutchen and Stubbs.

Fixed.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu May 19, 2011 10:48 am

The Minnesota Twins have scored ten runs so far today.

Matching the most runs they've scored in a game this year.....

.

[ May 19, 2011, 05:01 PM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

rockitsauce · Post by **rockitsauce** » Thu May 19, 2011 11:21 am

next yr?

Shoot some of us we'll be drafting again in a couple wks

I have a sneaky feeling Mr. Bautista will get picked abit sooner than back in March

Glenneration X · Post by **Glenneration X** » Thu May 19, 2011 11:36 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

The best answer may be a pitcher.

Shuffling between the starting role and the bullpen for the first six years of his career, Sandy Koufax went 36-40

His next six years.... 129-47 and the Hall of Fame.

I can't think of an also ran hitter who has done what Bautista has done. Incredible, really. Bautista's just ridiculous. Congrats to all who were smart enough to draft him. I only grabbed him on one team, I wish I had him on every.

Dan, speaking of Koufax's turnaround, another pitcher whose career started as Koufax's was ending had a similar mediocre beginning suddenly morph into domination. The Ryan Express was pretty undistinguished his first handful of seasons until the Mets wisely traded him to California for a shortstop turned 3B whose career was just about finished. Of course, Ryan then immediately transformed his career from a pedestrian spot starter into a pretty unhittable force throwing 300K seasons and no-hitters at us like noone had ever done before. One of the truly bright moments in the history of my Mets.

Cocktails and Dreams · Post by **Cocktails and Dreams** » Sat May 21, 2011 8:27 am

You pitch to him, you pay. Simple as that. Guy is absolutely incredible.

Gekko · Post by **Gekko** » Sat May 21, 2011 8:55 am

i know some hitters have made a pretty drastic transformation, but i can't remember any that have done it to the level he has. hope he isn't doping

Bullgod · Post by **Bullgod** » Sat May 21, 2011 9:59 am

There is simply no doubt in my mind that Bautista is juicing.

He had almost 1500 AB's in the minors (1471) and hit a total of 52 HR's. That's 1 every 28 AB's.

In the majors, before last year he had 1751 AB's and 59 HR's. That's 1 HR in every 29.6 AB's.

So then he gets a hitting coach that tells him to try to swing harder and hit home runs and he's putting up Ruthian numbers?!? So let me see if I understand this...a guy who before last year was a career .239 hitter with avg. power (at best) is told to swing harder and try to hit the ball out of the park. What happens? He hits .277 (2010&2011) with a HR every 9.9 AB's?!?!?

So if you count his minor league/major league numbers thru 2009 he had over 3200 AB's and hit 111 HR's. In just 697 AB's he hits 70 HR's? And we are to believe it all stems from a genius hitting coach telling him to swing harder. Makes sense to me.

Oh here's one more stat...his current slugging % (.797) is 40 points higher than his career best OPS prior to 2010. That's right he is SLUGGING 40 points higher than his OPS was in his best year in the majors.

For those of you that have him on your fantasy team congrats to you.

My hope is somebody talks sooner rather than later and gets him suspended and embarrassed. I didn't enjoy when McGwire, Bonds and Sosa made a joke of the game and this smells just like that.

If the steroid era taught baseball anything hopefully it taught them that if it seems unbelievable IT IS!!!!

UGH! Watching the Marlins/Rays game and they just said Bautista hit 2 more bombs today. Unreal and shameful!

Outlaw · Post by **Outlaw** » Sat May 21, 2011 1:41 pm

Originally posted by Bullgod:

There is simply no doubt in my mind that Bautista is juicing.

He had almost 1500 AB's in the minors (1471) and hit a total of 52 HR's. That's 1 every 28 AB's.

In the majors, before last year he had 1751 AB's and 59 HR's. That's 1 HR in every 29.6 AB's.

So then he gets a hitting coach that tells him to try to swing harder and hit home runs and he's putting up Ruthian numbers?!? So let me see if I understand this...a guy who before last year was a career .239 hitter with avg. power (at best) is told to swing harder and try to hit the ball out of the park. What happens? He hits .277 (2010&2011) with a HR every 9.9 AB's?!?!?

So if you count his minor league/major league numbers thru 2009 he had over 3200 AB's and hit 111 HR's. In just 697 AB's he hits 70 HR's? And we are to believe it all stems from a genius hitting coach telling him to swing harder. Makes sense to me.

Oh here's one more stat...his current slugging % (.797) is 40 points higher than his career best OPS prior to 2010. That's right he is SLUGGING 40 points higher than his OPS was in his best year in the majors.

For those of you that have him on your fantasy team congrats to you.

My hope is somebody talks sooner rather than later and gets him suspended and embarrassed. I didn't enjoy when McGwire, Bonds and Sosa made a joke of the game and this smells just like that.

If the steroid era taught baseball anything hopefully it taught them that if it seems unbelievable IT IS!!!!

UGH! Watching the Marlins/Rays game and they just said Bautista hit 2 more bombs today. Unreal and shameful! Sorry but i have to disagree. Buatista Does not look like McGwire, Canseco, Barady Anderson Bonds, and all the other 400 juicers. He is of average build, not thick, no big neck, not big arms. I say its talent and lighting quick bat speed, hard work and finally getting enough experiance. I'll bet he is a student of the game too. With testing the way it is now, no one is juicing, unless they have figured out some other form of enhancement. Bautista deserves the credit!!!

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Sat May 21, 2011 3:16 pm

Ever heard of a guy named Davey Johnson.Check out the back of his baseball card.Anything stand out to you?

team z · Post by **team z** » Sat May 21, 2011 3:34 pm

Originally posted by DiamondKing:

Ever heard of a guy named Davey Johnson.Check out the back of his baseball card.Anything stand out to you? Yea, that Davey Johnson was one of the first players to try steroids.

team z · Post by **team z** » Sat May 21, 2011 3:50 pm

Originally posted by Outlaw:

Sorry but i have to disagree. Buatista Does not look like McGwire, Canseco, Barady Anderson Bonds, and all the other 400 juicers. He is of average build, not thick, no big neck, not big arms. I say its talent and lighting quick bat speed, hard work and finally getting enough experiance. I'll bet he is a student of the game too. With testing the way it is now, no one is juicing, unless they have figured out some other form of enhancement. Bautista deserves the credit!!! Lets see, how much bullsh!t are you willing to accept? Years ago we were told the parks are smaller, the ball is juiced, the pitching is just no good anymore, the bats are much stronger and probably a few phoney reasons I'm forgetting. So far testing as pretty much caught Manny twice in spring training. If you think Manny was the only juicer in baseball then I have a bridge in Brooklyn you may be interested in. Lighting fast batspeed? Yea, that's the ticket.

[ May 21, 2011, 09:51 PM: Message edited by: team z ]

Outlaw · Post by **Outlaw** » Sat May 21, 2011 3:56 pm

Originally posted by team z:

quote:Originally posted by Outlaw:

Sorry but i have to disagree. Buatista Does not look like McGwire, Canseco, Barady Anderson Bonds, and all the other 400 juicers. He is of average build, not thick, no big neck, not big arms. I say its talent and lighting quick bat speed, hard work and finally getting enough experiance. I'll bet he is a student of the game too. With testing the way it is now, no one is juicing, unless they have figured out some other form of enhancement. Bautista deserves the credit!!! Lets see, how much bullsh!t are you willing to accept? Years ago we were told the parks are smaller, the ball is juiced, the pitching is just no good anymore, the bats are much stronger and probably a few phoney reasons I'm forgetting. So far testing as pretty much caught Manny twice in spring training. If you think Manny was the only juicer in baseball then I have a bridge in Brooklyn you may be interested in. Lighting fast batspeed? Yea, that's the ticket. [/QUOTE]And you know how for sure he is juicing? Sorry - My BS smells better than yours.