Selecting Your Sleepers

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:07 pm

Originally posted by TheKing:

Double Gizzy,

I need to know how early to take Loretta. With the move to Boston, he's a lock to reproduce his '04 season, if not improve upon it. He's my super-sleeper. I need to know how early you recommend taking him. loretta is a good one. in the boston lineup, he could score 120 runs and steal 20 bases. you'd need to pull the trigger in the 4th/5th to lock him up. thank you for the inquiry

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:56 pm

Originally posted by TheKing:

Double Gizzy,

I need to know how early to take Loretta. With the move to Boston, he's a lock to reproduce his '04 season, if not improve upon it. He's my super-sleeper. I need to know how early you recommend taking him.

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Originally posted by Gekko:

loretta is a good one. in the boston lineup, he could score 120 runs and steal 20 bases. you'd need to pull the trigger in the 4th/5th to lock him up. thank you for the inquiry20? no doubt. Both of these are going to be selling like hotcakes in Fenway this season.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:48 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by TheKing:

loretta is a good one. in the boston lineup, he could score 120 runs and steal 20 bases. you'd need to pull the trigger in the 4th/5th to lock him up. thank you for the inquiry [/QUOTE]Are you sure? I had him for 145 runs and 45 steals.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:05 pm

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by TheKing:

loretta is a good one. in the boston lineup, he could score 120 runs and steal 20 bases. you'd need to pull the trigger in the 4th/5th to lock him up. thank you for the inquiry [/QUOTE]Are you sure? I had him for 145 runs and 45 steals. [/QUOTE]Me too! Me too! Or 79 runs and 6 steals, one or the other. I really see him as a player who could go either way, you know, the Gekko projection way or the toatally-objective-based-on-a-history-of-Major-League-players-who-will -do-what-they-are-completely-and-utterly-likely-to-do-way.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:06 am

Originally posted by UFS:

Are you sure? I had him for 145 runs and 45 steals. john - i'm trying to provide a good service here. let's kep the numbers more realistic. thanks.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:10 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

Are you sure? I had him for 145 runs and 45 steals. john - i'm trying to provide a good service here. let's kep the numbers more realistic. thanks. [/QUOTE]Must be pumping and dumping again.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:20 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by TheKing:

loretta is a good one. in the boston lineup, he could score 120 runs and steal 20 bases. you'd need to pull the trigger in the 4th/5th to lock him up. thank you for the inquiry [/QUOTE]Are you sure? I had him for 145 runs and 45 steals. [/QUOTE]Me too! Me too! Or 79 runs and 6 steals, one or the other. I really see him as a player who could go either way, you know, the Gekko projection way or the toatally-objective-based-on-a-history-of-Major-League-players-who-will -do-what-they-are-completely-and-utterly-likely-to-do-way.

[/QUOTE]You should listen to him, he was "right on" last year with his projections of Boston's 2b. He was shocked Bellhorn did not play better.

TheKing · Post by **TheKing** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:37 am

I need more advice from my mentor. What about Jason Kubel? Has his knee fully recovered? Will he come close to his '04 numbers at Rochester? Please give me a range of rounds in which I should consider pulling the trigger. Thanks in advance. Your mentorship means alot to me.

Head 2 Head · Post by **Head 2 Head** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:55 am

Sleepers in the NFBC are not Ryan Howard types.

Rocco Baldelli could be one.

Rafael Soriano, Micheal Cuddyer, Wilson Betemit - guys that were top 10 prospects that haven't panned out yet. About anyone in Ana, who will take PT anyway from Figgens.

After the first 125 picks - guys like Loretta will be drafted. The choice between Loretta and Cano could be the difference between $ and not.

I have Ryan Freel (Could have NL SB title) over both.

Zach Duke vs Bartolo Colon (or Brandon Webb) which ever goes later is the bigger sleeper.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:47 pm

RYAN HOWARD isnt a sleeper , but GRADY SIZEMORE IS.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:02 pm

Originally posted by Head 2 Head:

Sleepers in the NFBC are not Ryan Howard types.

Rocco Baldelli could be one.

Rafael Soriano, Micheal Cuddyer, Wilson Betemit - guys that were top 10 prospects that haven't panned out yet. About anyone in Ana, who will take PT anyway from Figgens.

After the first 125 picks - guys like Loretta will be drafted. The choice between Loretta and Cano could be the difference between $ and not.

I have Ryan Freel (Could have NL SB title) over both.

Zach Duke vs Bartolo Colon (or Brandon Webb) which ever goes later is the bigger sleeper. Gekko was thinking of a sleeper as anyone who can perform above expectations, but yeah, this is more accurate. They're meant to be fringe players who might not even make a team in a smaller roster 12 man league. As Rockwell noted Bellhorn would have been a sleeper who didn't work out last year (Rockwell is so smart he anticipated the .220 batting average).

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:36 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by Head 2 Head:

Sleepers in the NFBC are not Ryan Howard types.

Rocco Baldelli could be one.

Rafael Soriano, Micheal Cuddyer, Wilson Betemit - guys that were top 10 prospects that haven't panned out yet. About anyone in Ana, who will take PT anyway from Figgens.

After the first 125 picks - guys like Loretta will be drafted. The choice between Loretta and Cano could be the difference between $ and not.

I have Ryan Freel (Could have NL SB title) over both.

Zach Duke vs Bartolo Colon (or Brandon Webb) which ever goes later is the bigger sleeper. Gekko was thinking of a sleeper as anyone who can perform above expectations, but yeah, this is more accurate. They're meant to be fringe players who might not even make a team in a smaller roster 12 man league. As Rockwell noted Bellhorn would have been a sleeper who didn't work out last year (Rockwell is so smart he anticipated the .220 batting average).

[/QUOTE]Hit over 260 once, hit 221 2 seasons before, hit 130 over a limited role in a 3 season stretch. A 220-235 batting avg was seen as a distinct possibility by just about everyone but you sport. The funniest thing was your posts last year belly aching about how he had fallen so short of expectations.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:41 pm

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by Head 2 Head:

Sleepers in the NFBC are not Ryan Howard types.

Rocco Baldelli could be one.

Rafael Soriano, Micheal Cuddyer, Wilson Betemit - guys that were top 10 prospects that haven't panned out yet. About anyone in Ana, who will take PT anyway from Figgens.

After the first 125 picks - guys like Loretta will be drafted. The choice between Loretta and Cano could be the difference between $ and not.

I have Ryan Freel (Could have NL SB title) over both.

Zach Duke vs Bartolo Colon (or Brandon Webb) which ever goes later is the bigger sleeper. Gekko was thinking of a sleeper as anyone who can perform above expectations, but yeah, this is more accurate. They're meant to be fringe players who might not even make a team in a smaller roster 12 man league. As Rockwell noted Bellhorn would have been a sleeper who didn't work out last year (Rockwell is so smart he anticipated the .220 batting average).

[/QUOTE]Hit over 260 once, hit 221 2 seasons before, hit 130 over a limited role in a 3 season stretch. A 220-235 batting avg was seen as a distinct possibility by just about everyone but you sport. The funniest thing was your posts last year belly aching about how he had fallen so short of expectations. [/QUOTE]Nowww you tell me.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:53 pm

The price on those is equal to the GNP of Iola

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:31 am

And everything looks so "natural"....

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:44 am

With so much information out there, "sleepers" are a thing of the past. I think this string is discussing "gambles"....whether to pick a player a bit early so as not to risk losing projected upside since most people seem to draft on what happened last year. Of course (I am not saying anyone HERE would do this), you have to weed out those who simply want to pass on misinformation.

:rolleyes:

One player who certainly has been getting a lot of attention as the heir apparent as King of the second basemen is Chase Utley. In your opinion, which round and where in the round (early, mid, late) do you have him projected to go? I have seen late second, early third in many of the early drafts.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:28 pm

DO we really need to see that sick picture.

Pretty disturbing.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:11 pm

Don't anyone EVER put crap like that on my site again. GOT IT.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 3:00 pm

THANK YOU.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:08 pm

Thanks Greg for cleaning that up. Some guys think they can post whatever they want on the MB. no class whatsoever.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:30 am

Okay, I have deleted all posts dealing with the unfortunate post last night. I've dealt with this personally and those involved know how I feel. I was at home last night with the three kids and had to edit that while trying to hide the computer screen from my kids. Nice job to the person who thought that was appropriate.

Today is going to be a historic day and hopefully we'll get all kinds of new eyeballs to the site. We don't need any discussion on last night's silly little episode on these boards.

We now return you to the rest of this program: "Sleepers, 2006."

Heffer · Post by **Heffer** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:54 am

My feeling is a sleeper is just that. If everybody talks up these players they cease being sleepers . Picking F. Rodriguez in the third or fourth round he is no longer a sleeper. Same goes for the others. Just my thoughts

Heffer · Post by **Heffer** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:55 am

sorry I meant F Hernandez

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:37 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Today is going to be a historic day and hopefully we'll get all kinds of new eyeballs to the site. The big announcement is finally coming! Hooray!