Most Competitive League

MGBMARTY · Post by **MGBMARTY** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:45 am

I do not know if there is a waty to check who has the most competitive league in regards from fisrt to fourth place In NY#4 :

Coulda Woulda Shoulda 111

Derek Jeters $th Ring 111

MGBS109 110.5

Dirty Sanchez 109

Any other leagues from 1-4 that close?

Marty

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:52 am

Originally posted by MGBMARTY:

I do not know if there is a waty to check who has the most competitive league in regards from fisrt to fourth place In NY#4 :

Coulda Woulda Shoulda 111

Derek Jeters $th Ring 111

MGBS109 110.5

Dirty Sanchez 109

Any other leagues from 1-4 that close?

Marty Wow, that's as close as it gets, I think! I'm watching a lot of close leagues and seeing a lot of turnover at the top in each one, but this is a dandy.

Marty, aren't you always in a tight league like this one?

Seems like every year a point or two separates you from $5,000 and lesser than that!

MGBMARTY · Post by **MGBMARTY** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 3:24 am

Greg

You are so right We still have a lot of time left but as Brian will attest to last years race stress lack of sleep etc I have already started to get those anxious feelings Get a break next week when I take my daughter to college Univ of Hartford might have to hit Mohegan Sun Casino to get mind off B Ball and maybe try to do my football research.

Marty

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:33 am

LV2 is really close up the top too! I'm having a hard time working today with the afternoon games!

Moneymaker · Post by **Moneymaker** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 1:45 pm

Marty, you've got that league wrapped-up

JEagle · Post by **JEagle** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:27 am

Tampa 1 has been a dogfight for a while now with 4 teams flip flopping on a daily basis & the 5th place team within 8 points of 1st..has been very competitive and any of the top 5 can win..hopefully it will be me...;o)

krujo · Post by **krujo** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:45 am

About 2 weeks ago NY7's top 8 teams were within 8 points of each other. It's a little more spread out now but the 8 temas keep hopping around. If you look at the breakdown of categories the league is completely up for grabs.

Mudster · Post by **Mudster** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 10:18 pm

As of this morning, LV2's top 5 are 98.5, 98.5, 98, 97.5, 97.5.....I think we have a winner...

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:36 am

LV2 is very close. Tell me about it. One day i'm behind 3 then i'm up 3. So many close categories it's disquisting!

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:02 am

For what's it's worth, I stacked each league's cumulative stats and ranked and summed. These were the results:

LEAGUE RANK

NY 7 1

TB 1 2

CHI 2 3

Vegas 9 4

Vegas 2 5

Vegas 8 6

CHI 3 7

NY 6 8

TB 2 9

Vegas 6 10

NY 5 11

Vegas 4 12

NY 4 13

NY 3 14

Vegas 1 15

Vegas 5 16

NY 2 17

CHI 1 18

TB 3 19

NY 1 20

Vegas 3 20

Vegas 7 20

As most of you know, this method is slightly different than Greg's. On the top end, this method discounts the competitiveness of LV2, but confirms the other top 3 leagues.

[ August 28, 2006, 01:02 PM: Message edited by: nydownunder ]

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:12 am

Cumulative stats / Per Week / Per Team when comparing all 22 Leagues

(ie _____ / 21 weeks / 15 teams)

Low Med High

Avg 0.2787 0.2798 0.2805

Runs 42.1 42.6 43.2

HR 10.2 10.4 10.5

RBI 40.5 41.1 41.4

SB 5.1 5.3 5.4

Era 4.4305 4.3785 4.303

Wins 3.4 3.5 3.6

WHIP 1.3686 1.3527 1.347

K 41.0 42.2 42.7

S 2.4 2.6 2.7

Cooperstown · Post by **Cooperstown** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:45 am

You need to differentiate between the "most competitive league battle for first" and the "most competitive league".

Currently, NY6 is the most competitive League overall. No number crunching here, just the following observation. It's leader is 53rd overall, the lowest overall league leader. This usually is due to the fact that the other teams in NY6 are dragging Serenity's numbers down overall. This makes NY6 the most competitive league, IMO.

However, by the end of the season, this is likely to change. In fact, just a week ago our Chicago League 3 had the dubious honor of having the lowest overall league leader. But Darth Vanders +53 point start to this week combined with Serenity's -47 start to the week changed that.

BTW, Chicago League 3's competitve ranking is not at all being helped by The Minute Men.

Mudster · Post by **Mudster** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:12 am

There's something flawed with that logic, coops. Using that method, you could've had a pack of 15 monkeys drafting, making no FA moves, and still have the lowest ranking #1.....

JEagle · Post by **JEagle** » Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:25 am

I guess its fair to say that most leagues are pretty competitive

Cooperstown · Post by **Cooperstown** » Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:47 pm

Originally posted by Mudster:

There's something flawed with that logic, coops. Using that method, you could've had a pack of 15 monkeys drafting, making no FA moves, and still have the lowest ranking #1.....

Not quite sure how the monkey analogy supports the flaw. My logic is simple, the more comptetitive the league the more 'drag' on the leaders overall numbers. Therefore, the league with the lowest overall leader should be the most comptetive.

Are there exceptions? Sure.

Can a monkey do better than me this year? Probably.

Am I ready for some football? Definately!

Kevin D · Post by **Kevin D** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 4:46 am

Today' Standings

Current Standings

TEAM PTS

Vinnies Team 2909.5

Swedes Crush Meatballs 2628.5

RoundTrippers 2628

GoBabyGo 2602

bluebloods 2599.5

Who Dat Is? 2565

Welcome to Stevieland 2549

The Professional 2529

Sons of Thunder 2471

Kingman-Millan Gambit 2447.5

There are a total 3300 pts if you lead every category.

1st Team 88%

10th Team 74%

14% between 1st and 10th

1st Team 88%

2nd Team 80%

an 8% difference.

More significant is:

First teams 2909.5 is only 462 more than team 10. That's 2% between 1st and 10th and Team 2 is only .9%(.848 actually) behind Team 1. That's not alot.

AS FOR LEAGUE TO LEAGUE IT LOOKS LIKE THIS

LEAGUE PTS

Tampa League 1 25904

Chicago League 2 25776

Las Vegas League 2 25602

New York League 7 25588

Chicago League 3 25534

Las Vegas League 9 25247

New York League 6 25098

New York League 2 25068

Las Vegas League 8 25050

Chicago League 1 24828

New York League 5 24758

Las Vegas 4 24687

Las Vegas 1 24675

New York League 3 24664

Las Vegas League 5 24660

Tampa League 2 24437

Las Vegas League 3 24386

New York League 4 24367

Las Vegas League 6 24231

Tampa League 3 24141

Las Vegas 7 23737

New York League 1 23718

Team 1 25904 vrs Team 22 23718 =2186pts = 8.4%

Team 1 25904 " Team 2 25776 = 128 pts = 0.5%

8.4% between 1st and 22nd. 0.5% between 1st and second best. For each 50 pts. it's 0.2%(0.19 actually). not alot.

Somebody check my math please.

With all the WOOFING! tha goes on about who's the most competitive, who's the best, etc. etc.

It means there are razor thin margins between the leagues. ( The last team of 22 is only 8.4 % behind the leader.) and Team to Team it's 2% between 1st and 10th.

These numbers tell me that in the NFBC, despite what owners draw into to your league, who has the best draft, what injuries you team incurs, how your FAAB$ are spent(Who you miss and by How much) and a myriad of other Fantasy Factors. It's tight. Very Tight. Not much room for error and we're all gonna make some.

So here's to the NFBC and it's competitevness on the whole. You might want to keep these numbers in mind when setting your lineups, drafting, FAABing. They all count for a little and at the end it's who has the most.

Later Guys

[ September 04, 2006, 11:22 AM: Message edited by: Kevin D ]

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:13 am

Kev, I like your idea of looking at 1st/10th to measure a league.

It looks like you're looking at total league points, which seem...meh. The fact that there is not much difference only goes a ways toward proving it is an inaccurate way to judge leagues. I think it would be more interesting to look at the disparity between the first (or, better yet, 2nd) and tenth team in each league and see what the difference is. While there are 1-3 guys who have more or less given up in the bottom of every league, you want there to be pretty good competitive balance from 12-13 guys. That is a tough, high quality league.

Just looking quickly, LV9 and LV6, which boast the two overall leaders, have pretty poor competitive balance just looking at the second place versus tenth place guys:

LV9 111/73.5 (25%)

LV6 106.5/70.5 (24%)

By way of contrast, here is my league:

LV3 103/77.5 (17%)

This goes a way toward explaining why our leader places a mere 23 on the overall list. The rest of us make it really tough for him.

In a more comprehensive study, we could probably take the averages of guys 2-4 and 9-11 to find which leagues have the toughest owners.

Kevin D · Post by **Kevin D** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:53 am

Bjoark,

We may be comparing apples and oranges. You're looking for one league and the reasons it may be so competitive. What I'm saying is the NFBC is "Extremly" close competitively "Overall".

All the variables of who's in your league, who isn't, if some guys stop playing, whose got the luck, are all part of the league dynamics. In some cases, in a stacked league, you'll be hard pressed to win it and your chances in the "Overall" will also be dimished. The draw into the leagues is supposed to be random and the KD system of awarding draft position is still flawed(IMO). I would prefer using FAAB$ to bid for draft(Not Auctions) postion once the leagues have been drawn. This introduce another "game within the game", provides more off season action for talk and thought and you have to "PAY" (FABB$) to support your way of handling the "Bid for your Drafting postion". It would be another specialised fantasy skill with all the variables include as above.

To borrow a Poker term. There is always going to be dead money. The more entries in the WSP the more chance of advancing and it seems that non-pros can compete with the pros on this high level but I think you'd find, the pros go deeper as a group.

In the NFBC your best chance of winning was the inagural year(undersuscribed but Krause paid full price in prizes.) Some didn't return (dead money) and others understand there are "Dues to be paid" to become a "Player" at this high level of competition. Fantasy Industy pundits, and info providers(fOR $$$ BUSNIESS) PLAY FOR fun and for exposure. A win in the NFBC with it's instant recognition as a top player, would mean $$$'s.

There are accounts, attorneys, rocket scientist's, bull dozer drivers, delivery guys, CEO's, rock stars, and probaly a mortician playing in the leagues. The churn rate will always be a factor. As the OVERALL number of players in the league increases the chances of winning will go down, the returnees will gain some advantage over newbies, PRIZE $$$ SHOULD GO UP (RIGHT GREG!! Heh, Heh!), and you might want to think about drafting a team and playing to win the GRAND PRIZE!! instead of your league, Lots more to say on this stuff. Hate to lose, LOVE to PLAY. Skillful players exist. Luck is much less of a factor that Football. BLAH, BA BLAH, Blah, BLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ September 06, 2006, 05:43 AM: Message edited by: Kevin D ]

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 6:18 am

Kev D,

You seem to think 8% is not alot, but if you were to look at the cumulative stats of each you'd realize that's a lot. If there were 3,500 HR hit (which is pretty close to what league avg is right now), that would equate to a difference of 280 HR's. Over 22 weeks, that about 13 HR's per week. I'm sorry, but there are a some serious roster/lineup mistakes or roster stacking with a numbers like that. If it is roster stacking, then I'd argue the league isn't as competitive because it allowed a manager to gain such an advantage.

I do think there is an argument of only looking at the top 10 managers in each league, but the remaining 5 also have a part to play in when it comes to some of the 10 managers doing so well. Instead of that approach, I would chooce a mid-august date to do such an analysis, in order to avoid those managers (stats) that actually quit by Sept.

If it were just the top 10 managers in each league who actually played, then the leagues would be pretty closely balanced. Unfortunately, 11-15 can vary much more from league to league, thus a leagiues balance of power. Of course there are some leagues where your 1-5 are TOP FANTASY GUYS (over and above your avg player), but I think those PRO numbers effect the legaues less than the bottom 5. Either way, its the luck of the draw as to your league makeup: you must play the cards you are dealt.

[ September 05, 2006, 12:27 PM: Message edited by: nydownunder ]