Week 6 - Gekko Jeopardy

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:39 pm

Sorry RODGER, you have other one's but most of them are a choke in one game.Being up three games to none , the mighty YANKEES againest the BOSOX who they have owned since BABE RUTH, IS THE BIGGEST CHOKE JOB OF ALL TIME.If you put a panel together of the greatest sports minds in the world , to what is the greatest choke of all time , nobody or team can come close to those YANKEE LOSERS, and AROD'S little bitch swing to knock the ball out is a classic.

GO BOSTON

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:23 pm

I agree it is a black cloud that will haunt the Yankees forever. Wherever a team is down 3-0, they will show the Yankee's choke.......I can just imagine the real life experience of living through it.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:42 pm

I agree with Shawn that RODGER's draft will look something like

1. Jeter

2. Rivera

3. Pettitte...

Please come to Vegas.

RODGER · Post by **RODGER** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:26 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

I agree with Shawn that RODGER's draft will look something like

1. Jeter

2. Rivera

3. Pettitte...

Please come to Vegas.

I am NOT a Yankee fan.

RODGER · Post by **RODGER** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:20 pm

Originally posted by eddiejag:

Sorry RODGER, you have other one's but most of them are a choke in one game.Being up three games to none , the mighty YANKEES againest the BOSOX who they have owned since BABE RUTH, IS THE BIGGEST CHOKE JOB OF ALL TIME.If you put a panel together of the greatest sports minds in the world , to what is the greatest choke of all time , nobody or team can come close to those YANKEE LOSERS, and AROD'S little bitch swing to knock the ball out is a classic.

GO BOSTON Anyone who watched Greg Norman's meltdown at The Masters would be lying if they thought the Yankees collapse was worse. It just wasn't. The Norman thing was literally difficult to watch like a graphic film with ultra-disturbing images.

And as for referring to those "Yankee Losers" as you put it... I would be thrilled if any of the teams I root for would give me the kind of consistent post-season presence that the Yankees have given their fans. I can't even fathom the enjoyment of watching my team win 3 straight Championships and 4 out of 5. If the history of that organization isn't worth the tradeoff of one ugly meltdown in the midst of 12 consecutive playoff appearances (and counting), then why even bother trying to be a winner? If you're not willing to risk losing, you'll never win a thing.

There is absolutely no way that the series loss to Boston can hurt as much as suggested above when it happens to a team like New York who has experienced so much success. If it had happened in reverse to the Red Sox, and they had been denied once again in such a painful way, then I could see it being the worst of all time.

Part of the extreme degree to which something like this causes devastation absolutely includes an accumulation and buildup of other horrific and painful losing experiences. Your eligibility to be the biggest choker of all time is limited if you lack a history of choking. If the Yankee organization had collapsed following that series, then perhaps your point could have some validity in a historical perspective, but that didn't happen. They have continued rolling right along by winning their Division Championship in each of the two seasons since.

Maybe this isn't so clear and obvious to people who have a partial interest or are motivated by a specific agenda. To the objective observer however, what happened to the Yankees in 2004 registers as one of the very few ugly blips on the screen of a history and tradition that makes every other organization in sports (and their fans) at least a little bit jealous (and in some cases extremely envious).

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 10:01 pm

Very concise.

You are the biggest fan of the Yankees who is not a Yankee fan I've ever seen. You're illogically reasoning out that Pettitte will be great for them just because you want him to be. You used stats to justify your assertion such as 'calm under pressure' (CUP) and 'Clemens to follow' (CTF).

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 5:04 am

biggest choke blah blah maybe, maybe not, it certainly was not pleasant. An unrecoverable moment that will forever sabotage future championship forays ? LOL Hardly ! Sure, after almost 100 years of angst the pendulum had to swing the other way. A small price to pay for

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NYY World Championships that I have witnessed and enjoyed.

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Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:59 pm

a lot of posts in this thread, but not a lot of answers.

for me, the week 6 winner is MGBMARTY (Detriot Tigers).

RODGER · Post by **RODGER** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:33 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

the week 6 winner is MGBMARTY (Detriot Tigers). What an odd choice.

Will any team be more overrated entering the 2007 season than Detroit?

They will have to work extremely hard just to finish third in their own division.

Very strange indeed.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:29 am

two things

1. a lot of posts in this thread, but not a lot of answers. my choices were limited.

2. Each week I will pick the poster with the best response (as judged by Gekko)

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 9:59 am

Originally posted by RODGER:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

the week 6 winner is MGBMARTY (Detriot Tigers). What an odd choice.

Will any team be more overrated entering the 2007 season than Detroit?

They will have to work extremely hard just to finish third in their own division.

Very strange indeed. [/QUOTE]There's no reason to think they can't compete. Also, it's not just picking the best answer; it's supporting that answer with solid evidence and analysis. Hint: length does not equal good analysis. In any event, this thread was short on strong analysis.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 4:43 am

Originally posted by RODGER:

The answer is the New York Yankees.

I realize a previous poster already offered them as the choice, but I am assuming that the WHY portion of the answer is the more important element.

--It's been a long time since a top tier team's lineup was so powerful that they were able to go with a defensive-minded first baseman who hit 9th in the order.

--Anyone who saw Randy Johnson's first press conference after he went back to Arizona realized that he simply made a mistake by coming to New York. While he wasn't terrible with the Yankees, his departure was absolute addition by subtraction.

--Andrew Eugene Pettitte Part I: The return of the 34 year old was perhaps the biggest offseason move in baseball before the 2007 campaign. His calm under pressure was admirable during his initial run in the Bronx, but he came back as an immeasurably more mature human being and restored some of what had been lost since the team's last Championship in 2000.

--Andrew Eugene Pettitte Part II: Although it wasn't made official until late May, it seemed inevitable that Pettitte's return to New York would lead Roger Clemens to follow. When The Rocket got his arm back into Major League shape after spending the month of June in the minors, he provided a dominant second half and was huge during their playoff run to the Title.

--Carl Pavano entered 2007 at the crossroads of his baseball career. He had pretty much used up all of his chances, and needed to redeem himself with a fast start just to get his teammates and the organization to believe he could be a positive contributor in pinstripes. His strong May and June earned him an All-Star selection and helped save his career from slipping away.

--In addition to Pettitte, Pavano, and a half-season of Clemens, the Yanks fielded the best rotation in the bigs with Wang, Mussina and Japanese import Kei Igawa.

--For the first time in years, the front office provided manager Joe Torre with more than a one-man bullpen. The acquisition of Luis Vizcaino turned out to be bigger than most had anticipated as he emerged as one of the better late-inning relievers in the American League. Kyle Farnsworth returned to the form that once had him pegged as a future star. Scott Proctor was another pleasant surprise as he improved on his breakout season from 2006, and left-handed specialist Mike Myers turned in his first sub-three ERA season since 2000 when he was with the Rockies.

--Mariano Rivera entered 2007 having already been a dominant closer for a longer period of time than any player in baseball history, and his performance during the season and playoffs did nothing but further emphasize the fact that he is a true first-ballot Hall of Famer.

--America had not been exposed to the true fire within Hideki Matsui until the 2007 season. After suffering an injury which caused the 33-year old to miss games for the first time since his childhood, "Godzilla" put on a show in 2007 matching his uniform number with 55 Home Runs and winning American League MVP honors.

--2007 was the first time Joe Torre started a season as Yankee manager having led the club for more consecutive non-Championship years than campaigns which ended with the big trophy ceremony. After winning it all in 4 of his first 5 tries under George Steinbrenner, Torre's Championship drought had reached 6 long years. By bringing the Bombers back to the pinnacle that he had achieved when he first arrived, he completed the cycle and was able to end his career on terms he was comfortable with. Torre's recent retirement was as much of a celebration as it was a goodbye. Do we have the same feeling about the Yankees today?

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 5:18 am

YANKEES SUCK!

Enough said..