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at least jeter knows how to run and how to slide
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Slide? Ahh... Is he at a Water Slide Park this week?
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good one joe. not a yankee or a red sox fan- and real trired of hearing about both of them on the yankee/sox network known as espn- but manny is really one of a kind.
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Agreed on many points. First the consistency of BA and R's for Jeter. yes his power is down and his sb's are all over the map. I think he had leg problems this year and played through them. I noted this while watching the yankees/red Sox channell (espn). BTW I know they are always contenders and both have national appeal as well as large markets themselves, but come on. I'd like to see some other teams for a change. I swear they broadcast every Yankee/Red sox game they can. When wondering what the game will be on today all you have to do is check to see who these guys are playing, then you know what espn will broadcast. There are 28 other teams. Maybe someone should let them know about this new devolopement.
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Originally posted by Vander:
Agreed on many points. First the consistency of BA and R's for Jeter. yes his power is down and his sb's are all over the map. I think he had leg problems this year and played through them. I noted this while watching the yankees/red Sox channell (espn). BTW I know they are always contenders and both have national appeal as well as large markets themselves, but come on. I'd like to see some other teams for a change. I swear they broadcast every Yankee/Red sox game they can. When wondering what the game will be on today all you have to do is check to see who these guys are playing, then you know what espn will broadcast. There are 28 other teams. Maybe someone should let them know about this new devolopement. Purely a business decision: if the other teams drew as many viewers, then guess what? they would get broadcast. Please feel free to tell all your friends to watch the other teams so their ratings will improve and therefore ESPN will chose to highlight them
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Agreed on many points. First the consistency of BA and R's for Jeter. yes his power is down and his sb's are all over the map. I think he had leg problems this year and played through them. I noted this while watching the yankees/red Sox channell (espn). BTW I know they are always contenders and both have national appeal as well as large markets themselves, but come on. I'd like to see some other teams for a change. I swear they broadcast every Yankee/Red sox game they can. When wondering what the game will be on today all you have to do is check to see who these guys are playing, then you know what espn will broadcast. There are 28 other teams. Maybe someone should let them know about this new devolopement. Purely a business decision: if the other teams drew as many viewers, then guess what? they would get broadcast. Please feel free to tell all your friends to watch the other teams so their ratings will improve and therefore ESPN will chose to highlight them
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the only way they can grow their business is to show the other teams. this may come as a shock to the east coast- but the south and west are growing- they aren't. i do agree that the sox and yankees have rabid fans- but in the yankees case- i can remember the early 70's when they weren't so rabid. same with cub fans. it can be done- but they have to bite the bullet and show some other teams and develop interest in them. if espn can market poker, nascar, girls cheerleading- i am sure they could market baseball outside of the 150 mile radius of "the campus"
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ESPN hasn't been the same since it stopped showing Australian Rules Football!
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
ESPN hasn't been the same since it stopped showing Australian Rules Football! I think we can all agree to that!
ESPN hasn't been the same since it stopped showing Australian Rules Football! I think we can all agree to that!
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Broadcasting should be based on our drafting:
Drafted to this point are 10 Yankees (Maybe ESPN is right after all).
Four teams with Seven players taken Rockies, Angels, Braves and Mets.
Seven teams with Six D-rays, Twins, Phillies, Cubs, Brewers, Padres and Dodgers.
Seven with Five from Bos, Balt, Det, Clev, Sea, Cin and south side of Chi.
Three with four players Blue Jays, Astros, and D-backs.
Three with three players Marlins, A’s and Rangers
Another three with a pair of Giants, Pirates, and Nationals.
A single Card.
NO Royals!!!!
RSN up?
Drafted to this point are 10 Yankees (Maybe ESPN is right after all).
Four teams with Seven players taken Rockies, Angels, Braves and Mets.
Seven teams with Six D-rays, Twins, Phillies, Cubs, Brewers, Padres and Dodgers.
Seven with Five from Bos, Balt, Det, Clev, Sea, Cin and south side of Chi.
Three with four players Blue Jays, Astros, and D-backs.
Three with three players Marlins, A’s and Rangers
Another three with a pair of Giants, Pirates, and Nationals.
A single Card.
NO Royals!!!!
RSN up?
Main C3-pick#12 Crawford/Upton/Mags/Guillen/Chipper/Zimmerman/Del Young
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Sluggo JD via private message selects Brett Myers
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I know I'm showing my age but NBC took the same kind of criticism when the "Baseball Game of the Week" flourished in the 60's and 70's. They were the ONLY game in town as far as national telecast and yet every week it was the Dodgers, Reds, or Yankees. Thankfully TBS and a little later WGN got on most cable systems.
To tell the truth I don't watch most ESPN broadcasts, if a fly lands on the camera they'll analyze why it came from the left and not the right, overanalysis drives me crazy, let alone listening to Rick Sutcliffe drooling over how well every baseball player whoever put on a uniform performs. Blah, blah, blah.
To tell the truth I don't watch most ESPN broadcasts, if a fly lands on the camera they'll analyze why it came from the left and not the right, overanalysis drives me crazy, let alone listening to Rick Sutcliffe drooling over how well every baseball player whoever put on a uniform performs. Blah, blah, blah.
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Wait! I never had the perfect draft!
Wait! I never had the perfect draft!
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JJ Hardy, MIL, SS
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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good job doughboys- and how about joe morgan. who was the greatest ballplayer of all time- just ask him.
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Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
ESPN hasn't been the same since it stopped showing Australian Rules Football! I remember the old days getting home after a late night of drinking.The only thing on tv was Australian rules football.My buddies and I would just sit and watch that.I never did figure that darn game out.
ESPN hasn't been the same since it stopped showing Australian Rules Football! I remember the old days getting home after a late night of drinking.The only thing on tv was Australian rules football.My buddies and I would just sit and watch that.I never did figure that darn game out.
All pigs are created equal.Some are more equal than others.
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Originally posted by DiamondKing:
quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
ESPN hasn't been the same since it stopped showing Australian Rules Football! I remember the old days getting home after a late night of drinking.The only thing on tv was Australian rules football.My buddies and I would just sit and watch that.I never did figure that darn game out. [/QUOTE]And the Refs in those lab coats....
quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:
ESPN hasn't been the same since it stopped showing Australian Rules Football! I remember the old days getting home after a late night of drinking.The only thing on tv was Australian rules football.My buddies and I would just sit and watch that.I never did figure that darn game out. [/QUOTE]And the Refs in those lab coats....
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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Hey Red Sox Nation...are you going to the game tomorrow?
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9.01 M Cameron (Chest Rockwell)
9.02 T Hoffman (Eli Grimmett)
9.03 J Loney (Spyhunter)
9.04 K Escobar (Edward Kings)
9.05 C Delgado (Doughboys)
9.06 P Hughes (Sluggo)
9.07 C Cordero (Red Sox Nation)
9.08 F Liriano (Kettleers)
9.09 J Saltalamacchia (KJ Duke)
9.10 J Chamberlain (Stevieland)
9.11 K Johjima(God Loves You)
9.12 T Lilly (Sheep)
9.13 O Cabrera (Vander)
9.14 M Corpas (BudFox)
9.15 P Martinez (headhunters)
10.01 E Encarcion (headhunters)
10.02 M Kemp (BudFox)
10.03 H Street (Vander)
10.04 W Taveras (Sheep)
10.05 K Greene (GLU)
10.06 H Kendrick (Sambito)
10.07 M Capps (KJ Duke)
10.08 N Swisher (Kettleers)
10.09 K Matsui (Red Sox Nation)
10.10 B Myers (Sluggo)
10.11 B Penny (Doughboys)
10.12 JJ Hardy (Edwards Kings)
10.13 (Spyhunter)
10.14 (Eli Grimmett)
10.15 (Chest Rockwell)
Spyhunter is up.
9.02 T Hoffman (Eli Grimmett)
9.03 J Loney (Spyhunter)
9.04 K Escobar (Edward Kings)
9.05 C Delgado (Doughboys)
9.06 P Hughes (Sluggo)
9.07 C Cordero (Red Sox Nation)
9.08 F Liriano (Kettleers)
9.09 J Saltalamacchia (KJ Duke)
9.10 J Chamberlain (Stevieland)
9.11 K Johjima(God Loves You)
9.12 T Lilly (Sheep)
9.13 O Cabrera (Vander)
9.14 M Corpas (BudFox)
9.15 P Martinez (headhunters)
10.01 E Encarcion (headhunters)
10.02 M Kemp (BudFox)
10.03 H Street (Vander)
10.04 W Taveras (Sheep)
10.05 K Greene (GLU)
10.06 H Kendrick (Sambito)
10.07 M Capps (KJ Duke)
10.08 N Swisher (Kettleers)
10.09 K Matsui (Red Sox Nation)
10.10 B Myers (Sluggo)
10.11 B Penny (Doughboys)
10.12 JJ Hardy (Edwards Kings)
10.13 (Spyhunter)
10.14 (Eli Grimmett)
10.15 (Chest Rockwell)
Spyhunter is up.
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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CC, I am headed in tonight. I am hoping that the atmoshpere reminds Carmona more of his closing attempt at Fenway last season. The guy was so nasty this season that I'd be surprised with another subpar performance from him. Schill needs to come up big!
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Yup I'll be there. Got a table of 4 in the Budweiser Right Field Roof Deck. Fenway is going to be rocking tonight!!!
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Having attended many earth shattering sporting events (true, mostly around the Bulldogs and the Braves), I can honestly say I am extremely jealous. This is the first playoff game this year that seems to have some real excitement around it.
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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Peralta
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I got a request to post the complete draft to date through round 10. Eli...You are up.
1.01 H Ramirez (Chester Rockwell)
1.02 J Reyes (Eli Grimmett)
1.03 A Rodriguez (Spyhunter)
1.04 A Pujols (Edward Kings)
1.05 D Wright (Doughboys)
1.06 R Braun (Sluggo)
1.07 J Rollins (Red Sox Nation)
1.08 M Holliday (Kettleers)
1.09 A Soriano (KJ Duke)
1.10 J Santana (Stevieland)
1.11 C Utley (God Loves You)
1.12 R Howard (Sheep)
1.13 G Sizemore (Vander)
1.14 M Cabrera (BudFox)
1.15 C Crawford (Headhunters)
2.01 C Beltran (Headhunters)
2.02 D Ortiz (BudFox)
2.03 B Phillips (Vander)
2.04 P Fielder (Sheep)
2.05 BJ Upton (God Loves You)
2.06 L Berkman (Stevieland)
2.07 J Peavy (KJ Duke)
2.08 V Guerrero (Kettleers)
2.09 Carlos Lee (Red Sox Nation)
2.10 Ichiro (SluggoJD)
2.11 M Teixeira (Doughboys)
2.12 A Rois (Edward Kings)
2.13 C Granderson (Spyhunter)
2.14 R Martin (Eli Grimmett)
2.15 V Martinez (Chester Rockwell)
3.01 M Ramirez (Chesty Rockwell)
3.02 J Morneau (Eli Grimmett)
3.03 E Byrnes (Spyhunter)
3.04 Brian Roberts (Edwards Kings)
3.05 Bobby Abreu (Doughboys)
3.06 Derek Jeter (Sluggo)
3.07 Garrett Atkins (Red Sox Nation)
3.08 Derrek Lee (Kettleers)
3.09 Carlos Pena (KJ Duke)
3.10 Chone Figgins (Stevieland)
3.11 Brain McCann (God Loves You)
3.12 Magglio Ordonez (Sheep)
3.13 Nick Markakis (Vander)
3.14 Troy Tulowitzki (BudFox)
3.15 JJ Putz (Headhunters)
4.01 Corey Hart (Headhunters)
4.02 Juan Pierre (BudFox)
4.03 Joe Nathan (Vander)
4.04 Travis Hafner (Sheep)
4.05 Eric Bedard(God Loves You)
4.06 Jon Papelbon (Stevieland)
4.07 Hunter Pence (KJ Duke)
4.08 Joe Mauer (Kettleers)
4.09 Aramis Ramirez (Red Sox Nation)
4.10 Torii Hunter (Sluggo)
4.11 C. Young, OF, ARI (Doughboys)
4.12 B. Webb (Edwards Kings)
4.13 J. Lackey (Spyhunter)
4.14 F. Rodriguez (Eli Grimmett)
4.15 R Furcal (Chest Rockwell)
5.01 A Dunn (Chester Rockwell)
5.02 C Hammels (Eli Grimmett)
5.03 D Haren (Spyhunter)
5.04 F Cordero (Edward Kings)
5.05 J Beckett (Doughboys)
5.06 T Saito (Sluggo)
5.07 CC Sabathia (Red Sox Nation)
5.08 L Jones(Kettleers)
5.09 C Zambrano (KJ Duke)
5.10 R Cano (Stevieland)
5.11 S Victorino(God Loves You)
5.12 B Sheets(Sheep)
5.13 I Kinsler (Vander)
5.14 C Guillen (BudFox)
5.15 M Tejada(headhunters)
6.01 D Uggla (headhunters)
6.02 J Damon (BudFox)
6.03 P Konerko (Vander)
6.04 C Young SP SD(Sheep)
6.05 S Kazmir (GLU)
6.06 V Wells (Joe Sambito)
6.07 J Valverde (KJ Duke)
6.08 R Weeks (Kettleers)
6.09 B Hawpe(Red Sox Nation)
6.10 G Sheffield(Sluggo)
6.11 M Young (Doughboys)
6.12 A Jones (Edwards Kings)
6.13 E Renteria (MIA Spy)
6.14 R Zimmerman (Eli Grimmett)
6.15 A Gonzalez (Chest Rockwell)
7.01 A Harang (Chest Rockwell)
7.02 A Beltre (Eli Grimmett)
7.03 B Jenks (Dickie/AWOL Spy)
7.04 A Rowand (Edwards Kings)
7.05 H Matsui (Doughboys)
7.06 J Francoeur(Sluggo)
7.07 J Bay (Red Sox Nation)
7.08 J Smoltz (Kettleers)
7.09 J Dye (KJ Duke)
7.10 J Thome (Stevieland)
7.11 B Wagner (God Loves You)
7.12 De Young (Sheep)
7.13 R Oswalt (Vander)
7.14 J Verlander(BudFox)
7.15 R Hill(headhunters)
8.01 J Vasquez (Headhunters)
8.02 T Lincecum (BudFox)
8.03 J Maine (Vander)
8.04 Mo Rivera (Sheep)
8.05 J Shields (God Loves You)
8.06 R Halladay (Stevieland)
8.07 F Hernandez (KJ Duke)
8.08 J Posada (Kettleers)
8.09 M Cain (Red Sox Nation)
8.10 AJ Burnett(Sluggo)
8.11 D Matsuzaka(Doughboys)
8.12 C Patterson (Edwards Kings)
8.13 F. Carmona (Spyhunter/Dickie V/?)
8.14 K Griffey(Eli Grimmett)
8.15 T Helton(Chest Rockwell)
9.01 M Cameron (Chester Rockwell)
9.02 T Hoffman (Eli Grimmett)
9.03 J Loney (Spyhunter/Dickie V)
9.04 K Escobar (Edward Kings)
9.05 C Delgado (Doughboys)
9.06 P Hughes (Sluggo)
9.07 C Cordero (Red Sox Nation)
9.08 F Liriano (Kettleers)
9.09 J Saltalamacchia (KJ Duke)
9.10 J Chamberlain (Stevieland)
9.11 K Johjima(God Loves You)
9.12 T Lilly (Sheep)
9.13 O Cabrera (Vander)
9.14 M Corpas (BudFox)
9.15 P Martinez (headhunters)
10.01 E Encarcion (headhunters)
10.02 M Kemp (BudFox)
10.03 H Street (Vander)
10.04 W Taveras (Sheep)
10.05 K Greene (GLU)
10.06 H Kendrick (Sambito)
10.07 M Capps (KJ Duke)
10.08 N Swisher (Kettleers)
10.09 K Matsui (Red Sox Nation)
10.10 B Myers (Sluggo)
10.11 B Penny (Doughboys)
10.12 JJ Hardy (Edwards Kings)
10.13 J Peralta (Spyhunter)
10.14 (Eli Grimmett)
10.15 (Chest Rockwell)
1.01 H Ramirez (Chester Rockwell)
1.02 J Reyes (Eli Grimmett)
1.03 A Rodriguez (Spyhunter)
1.04 A Pujols (Edward Kings)
1.05 D Wright (Doughboys)
1.06 R Braun (Sluggo)
1.07 J Rollins (Red Sox Nation)
1.08 M Holliday (Kettleers)
1.09 A Soriano (KJ Duke)
1.10 J Santana (Stevieland)
1.11 C Utley (God Loves You)
1.12 R Howard (Sheep)
1.13 G Sizemore (Vander)
1.14 M Cabrera (BudFox)
1.15 C Crawford (Headhunters)
2.01 C Beltran (Headhunters)
2.02 D Ortiz (BudFox)
2.03 B Phillips (Vander)
2.04 P Fielder (Sheep)
2.05 BJ Upton (God Loves You)
2.06 L Berkman (Stevieland)
2.07 J Peavy (KJ Duke)
2.08 V Guerrero (Kettleers)
2.09 Carlos Lee (Red Sox Nation)
2.10 Ichiro (SluggoJD)
2.11 M Teixeira (Doughboys)
2.12 A Rois (Edward Kings)
2.13 C Granderson (Spyhunter)
2.14 R Martin (Eli Grimmett)
2.15 V Martinez (Chester Rockwell)
3.01 M Ramirez (Chesty Rockwell)
3.02 J Morneau (Eli Grimmett)
3.03 E Byrnes (Spyhunter)
3.04 Brian Roberts (Edwards Kings)
3.05 Bobby Abreu (Doughboys)
3.06 Derek Jeter (Sluggo)
3.07 Garrett Atkins (Red Sox Nation)
3.08 Derrek Lee (Kettleers)
3.09 Carlos Pena (KJ Duke)
3.10 Chone Figgins (Stevieland)
3.11 Brain McCann (God Loves You)
3.12 Magglio Ordonez (Sheep)
3.13 Nick Markakis (Vander)
3.14 Troy Tulowitzki (BudFox)
3.15 JJ Putz (Headhunters)
4.01 Corey Hart (Headhunters)
4.02 Juan Pierre (BudFox)
4.03 Joe Nathan (Vander)
4.04 Travis Hafner (Sheep)
4.05 Eric Bedard(God Loves You)
4.06 Jon Papelbon (Stevieland)
4.07 Hunter Pence (KJ Duke)
4.08 Joe Mauer (Kettleers)
4.09 Aramis Ramirez (Red Sox Nation)
4.10 Torii Hunter (Sluggo)
4.11 C. Young, OF, ARI (Doughboys)
4.12 B. Webb (Edwards Kings)
4.13 J. Lackey (Spyhunter)
4.14 F. Rodriguez (Eli Grimmett)
4.15 R Furcal (Chest Rockwell)
5.01 A Dunn (Chester Rockwell)
5.02 C Hammels (Eli Grimmett)
5.03 D Haren (Spyhunter)
5.04 F Cordero (Edward Kings)
5.05 J Beckett (Doughboys)
5.06 T Saito (Sluggo)
5.07 CC Sabathia (Red Sox Nation)
5.08 L Jones(Kettleers)
5.09 C Zambrano (KJ Duke)
5.10 R Cano (Stevieland)
5.11 S Victorino(God Loves You)
5.12 B Sheets(Sheep)
5.13 I Kinsler (Vander)
5.14 C Guillen (BudFox)
5.15 M Tejada(headhunters)
6.01 D Uggla (headhunters)
6.02 J Damon (BudFox)
6.03 P Konerko (Vander)
6.04 C Young SP SD(Sheep)
6.05 S Kazmir (GLU)
6.06 V Wells (Joe Sambito)
6.07 J Valverde (KJ Duke)
6.08 R Weeks (Kettleers)
6.09 B Hawpe(Red Sox Nation)
6.10 G Sheffield(Sluggo)
6.11 M Young (Doughboys)
6.12 A Jones (Edwards Kings)
6.13 E Renteria (MIA Spy)
6.14 R Zimmerman (Eli Grimmett)
6.15 A Gonzalez (Chest Rockwell)
7.01 A Harang (Chest Rockwell)
7.02 A Beltre (Eli Grimmett)
7.03 B Jenks (Dickie/AWOL Spy)
7.04 A Rowand (Edwards Kings)
7.05 H Matsui (Doughboys)
7.06 J Francoeur(Sluggo)
7.07 J Bay (Red Sox Nation)
7.08 J Smoltz (Kettleers)
7.09 J Dye (KJ Duke)
7.10 J Thome (Stevieland)
7.11 B Wagner (God Loves You)
7.12 De Young (Sheep)
7.13 R Oswalt (Vander)
7.14 J Verlander(BudFox)
7.15 R Hill(headhunters)
8.01 J Vasquez (Headhunters)
8.02 T Lincecum (BudFox)
8.03 J Maine (Vander)
8.04 Mo Rivera (Sheep)
8.05 J Shields (God Loves You)
8.06 R Halladay (Stevieland)
8.07 F Hernandez (KJ Duke)
8.08 J Posada (Kettleers)
8.09 M Cain (Red Sox Nation)
8.10 AJ Burnett(Sluggo)
8.11 D Matsuzaka(Doughboys)
8.12 C Patterson (Edwards Kings)
8.13 F. Carmona (Spyhunter/Dickie V/?)
8.14 K Griffey(Eli Grimmett)
8.15 T Helton(Chest Rockwell)
9.01 M Cameron (Chester Rockwell)
9.02 T Hoffman (Eli Grimmett)
9.03 J Loney (Spyhunter/Dickie V)
9.04 K Escobar (Edward Kings)
9.05 C Delgado (Doughboys)
9.06 P Hughes (Sluggo)
9.07 C Cordero (Red Sox Nation)
9.08 F Liriano (Kettleers)
9.09 J Saltalamacchia (KJ Duke)
9.10 J Chamberlain (Stevieland)
9.11 K Johjima(God Loves You)
9.12 T Lilly (Sheep)
9.13 O Cabrera (Vander)
9.14 M Corpas (BudFox)
9.15 P Martinez (headhunters)
10.01 E Encarcion (headhunters)
10.02 M Kemp (BudFox)
10.03 H Street (Vander)
10.04 W Taveras (Sheep)
10.05 K Greene (GLU)
10.06 H Kendrick (Sambito)
10.07 M Capps (KJ Duke)
10.08 N Swisher (Kettleers)
10.09 K Matsui (Red Sox Nation)
10.10 B Myers (Sluggo)
10.11 B Penny (Doughboys)
10.12 JJ Hardy (Edwards Kings)
10.13 J Peralta (Spyhunter)
10.14 (Eli Grimmett)
10.15 (Chest Rockwell)
Baseball is a slow, boring, complex, cerebral game that doesn't lend itself to histrionics. You 'take in' a baseball game, something odd to say about a football or basketball game, with the clock running and the bodies flying.
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