Gekko - Fireside Chat_-_CATCHERS

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:56 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

If Soto, Salty, or Towles have a great spring training, they may end up being the most overvalued picks of the draft. Dan - how many weeks of spring training will we get to see this year?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:18 am

Remember Greg Gross fantastic spring a couple of years ago, Mark? Most fantasy guys hadn't heard of the guy (a reason for that), but he leads spring training in home runs and becomes an instant sleeper. Soto, Salty, and Towles do not need much of a push.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:24 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

If you want to pick on me for something, pick on me for taking Bay and then Mauer after him. Or Bonderman 4th, the real value hemorrhager of the group.

I have extensive files on some of these guys, actually. I don't have any files on any participants, but hasn't your #1 SP usually been a position that u've overpaid for?

Bonderman in the 4th???? Didn't you nab sheets or harden early one year too? U may just want to bite the bullet and take santana in the 1st. [/QUOTE]Mm, yes, I am not one of 299 guys that did not take Sheets in the first round way back when (not that I ever had Harden). But I also have had the NL Cy Young winner in each of the last two years, so I seem to do fine taking my pitchers later than Santana, thank you very much.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:50 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Remember Greg Gross fantastic spring a couple of years ago, Mark? Most fantasy guys hadn't heard of the guy (a reason for that), but he leads spring training in home runs and becomes an instant sleeper. Soto, Salty, and Towles do not need much of a push. Yep, I remember gross.

Of salty, soto, and towles, will u end up with any of them on your team? What's your gut say? If any, I think I'd take a gamble on towles, simply because salty and soto will likely go too early. From everything I read, towles can get it done, esp in that hitters park.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:52 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

But I also have had the NL Cy Young winner in each of the last two years Very nice!

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:56 am

I took Bonderman in the 7th round last year in the ultimate, i thought i stole him.[he destroyed me].Another reason to stay away from pitchers in the early rounds.Bonderman did have an era over 4.00 in 2006 .[wanted the K's].

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:00 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

Pudge is a definite top 10. Not that I expect much other than a decent BA, above-avg playing time and run production; but that's enough to be a top 10 catcher.

Would u be surprised if pudge had a lower batting average AND lower homeruns this year? [/QUOTE]No...

But I will be surprised if Napoli comes close to 400 AB's. That will only happen if Mathis gets injured. Mathis is light years better on defense and handling the staff, two things very important to the Angels. His RBI/AB rate was about the same as Napoli's, so I don't think the Angels are going to choose offense over defense at this position.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:04 am

I think Mathis actually has more upside on offense than Napoli, not that he doesn't have more downside too.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:09 am

Originally posted by UFS:

But I will be surprised if Napoli comes close to 400 AB's. That will only happen if Mathis gets injured. Mathis is light years better on defense and handling the staff, two things very important to the Angels. His RBI/AB rate was about the same as Napoli's, so I don't think the Angels are going to choose offense over defense at this position. Concerning mathis, what are your quick probabilities of the following occuring:

1) He stays healthy all year

2) He gets over 250 AB

3) He hits over .211 (something he's never done when having more than 3 AB in a season)

[ January 01, 2008, 05:09 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:11 am

Originally posted by eddiejag:

I took Bonderman in the 7th round last year in the ultimate, i thought i stole him.[he destroyed me].Another reason to stay away from pitchers in the early rounds.Bonderman did have an era over 4.00 in 2006 .[wanted the K's]. if u asked me on draft day, 7th round WAS a steal.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:19 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

But I will be surprised if Napoli comes close to 400 AB's. That will only happen if Mathis gets injured. Mathis is light years better on defense and handling the staff, two things very important to the Angels. His RBI/AB rate was about the same as Napoli's, so I don't think the Angels are going to choose offense over defense at this position. Concerning mathis, what are your quick probabilities of the following occuring:

1) He stays healthy all year

2) He gets over 250 AB

3) He hits over .211 (something he's never done when having more than 3 AB in a season) [/QUOTE]1) 0%. No catcher stays healthy all year

2) 80%

3) He's a much better average hitter than Napoli.

Hasn't showed much at MLB level, but did show some signs of gaining confidence. Napoli has much bigger holes in his swing and is much more likely to hit .211 next year.

I agree with Bjoak on Mathis... Mathis could hit .265 7 55 or .210 3 32

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:23 am

Originally posted by UFS:

He's a much better average hitter than Napoli.

Hasn't showed much at MLB level, but did show some signs of gaining confidence. Napoli has much bigger holes in his swing and is much more likely to hit .211 next year.

let's be honest here. BOTH napoli AND mathis had the SAME contact rates last year.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:23 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

I think Mathis actually has more upside on offense than Napoli, not that he doesn't have more downside too. John Buck = Napoli

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:29 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

He's a much better average hitter than Napoli.

Hasn't showed much at MLB level, but did show some signs of gaining confidence. Napoli has much bigger holes in his swing and is much more likely to hit .211 next year.

let's be honest here. BOTH napoli AND mathis had the SAME contact rates last year. [/QUOTE]And Soriano is going to hit .237. Sounds like you are setting up another site to blame at the end of the year. LOL.

GG, love what you are doing here, but the "

" should have been next to Napoli, not Ivan.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:30 am

One thing about Towles is that he loves to run!!! (Even though he is horrible at it.)

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:39 am

Originally posted by UFS:

And Soriano is going to hit .237. Sounds like you are setting up another site to blame at the end of the year. LOL.

GG, love what you are doing here, but the "

" should have been next to Napoli, not Ivan. john, sorry i used a FACT to substantiate my claim. your claim is conjecture

i can't wait to see how many of these ivan MB fans actually draft him this year.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:49 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

And Soriano is going to hit .237. Sounds like you are setting up another site to blame at the end of the year. LOL.

GG, love what you are doing here, but the "

" should have been next to Napoli, not Ivan. john, sorry i used a FACT to substantiate my claim. your claim is conjecture

i can't wait to see how many of these ivan MB fans actually draft him this year. [/QUOTE]I'll take scouting I see with my eyes over facts in a book any time.

Mathis 350 AB, Napoli 250 AB.

Napoli only gets more AB if Mathis gets hurt, and Napoli was hurt last year too.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:55 am

Originally posted by UFS:

I'll take scouting I see with my eyes over facts in a book any time.

Originally posted by UFS:

posted March 21, 2005 07:08 PM

I see Figgins play all the time. Just a gut feeling, but I really see .238 this year out of him. I really think they got every ounce out of him last year and the P's will catch up a bit this year.. Actual batting average = .290

me thinks your eyes need to be checked

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:01 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

I'll take scouting I see with my eyes over facts in a book any time.

Originally posted by UFS:

posted March 21, 2005 07:08 PM

I see Figgins play all the time. Just a gut feeling, but I really see .238 this year out of him. I really think they got every ounce out of him last year and the P's will catch up a bit this year.. Actual batting average = .290

me thinks your eyes need to be checked [/QUOTE]Not at all. When I said this, he had batted 8th and 9th all spring and hadn't done a thing. That all changed days after I made this post.

Had he been batting his normal 1st or 2nd then, I would have never made that statement.

Wow, you keep bookmarks a long time....

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:03 pm

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

I think Mathis actually has more upside on offense than Napoli, not that he doesn't have more downside too. John Buck = Napoli [/QUOTE]I like the David Ross comparison better. At least for roto purposes...

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:03 pm

Ouch! Gekko's been waiting a long time to unleash that one. Can't see why a guy would have a BA 50 points higher because of where he is in the order.

[ January 01, 2008, 06:05 PM: Message edited by: bjoak ]

Kimo · Post by **Kimo** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:04 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

He's a much better average hitter than Napoli.

Hasn't showed much at MLB level, but did show some signs of gaining confidence. Napoli has much bigger holes in his swing and is much more likely to hit .211 next year.

let's be honest here. BOTH napoli AND mathis had the SAME contact rates last year. [/QUOTE]Scioscia, wants to control the running game, last year the Angels were very poor at opponents SB 107. Scioscia also used the pitchout alot last year 44. I think Scioscia has bit more trust in Napoli than Mathis..

Napoli, AB 425, HR 22, SB 5, AVE 237.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:15 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

And Soriano is going to hit .237. Sounds like you are setting up another site to blame at the end of the year. LOL.

GG, love what you are doing here, but the "

" should have been next to Napoli, not Ivan. john, sorry i used a FACT to substantiate my claim. your claim is conjecture

i can't wait to see how many of these ivan MB fans actually draft him this year. [/QUOTE]FACT - Napoli was injured for almost 2 months.

FACT - Mathis started twice as many games in Sept when Napoli returned for the reasons in my first post, he handles the staff much better.

Good Luck with your #9 rating on Napoli.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:18 pm

I could be wrong but it seems like they were saying even though Napoli was back in Sept. he was not 100%.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:19 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

Ouch! Gekko's been waiting a long time to unleash that one. Can't see why a guy would have a BA 50 points higher because of where he is in the order. funny stuff eh bjoak!!! i see him play all the time and he's gonna hit .238!!!! ROFLMAO

the best thing is that in 2004 figgins hit out of the #1 hole 115 times and the #2 hole 288 times!!!! john musta been sleeping at the games!!