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Post by JohnZ » Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:03 am

Originally posted by nydownunder:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by viper:

I have no problem with the proposed DL change. However, remember the quote that goes "Beware of what you wish for because you may get it".



My guess is that by week 4, there will be a DL move made by a team on Friday (before the cutoff but very near it) that STATS does not get input in time and teams will complain they they could not make a change. Week 4? We'll be lucky to make it thru week 1!
[/QUOTE]That's really no different than players being added (or not) to the active rosters by 7pm Sunday, thus available via FAAB. Nothing is perfect.
[/QUOTE]But for this amount of money, it is INCREDIBLY weak that one person can't monitor the DL moves live, or enter FA requests by the deadline THEY HAVE POSTED.



They simply don't care.



Don't tell me it can't be done. I've done it for 10 years now on the net.

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:13 am

Originally posted by UFS:

[QUOTE]But for this amount of money, it is INCREDIBLY weak that one person can't monitor the DL moves live, or enter FA requests by the deadline THEY HAVE POSTED.



They simply don't care.



Don't tell me it can't be done. I've done it for 10 years now on the net. Weak, John, very weak. You know as well as I do that STATS gets 25-man rosters, transactions, callups and DL moves directly from Major League Baseball as they officially happen and then enter them into their data base for all the games they run. That makes perfect sense. You run an individual game for your customers and if you want to add them individually after you read it online or see it somewhere, that's your prerogative.



It's not that they don't care or that I don't care. They do it one way and the NFBC will await those transactions when they are officially processed by MLB and STATS. That's the right way to go with Sunday callups and it's the right way to go with DL moves, whether they are on Sunday or Thursday.



Save the gripe about STATS for another day because they are doing nothing wrong in this discussion of DL moves on Friday.
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Post by JohnZ » Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:42 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

[QUOTE]But for this amount of money, it is INCREDIBLY weak that one person can't monitor the DL moves live, or enter FA requests by the deadline THEY HAVE POSTED.



They simply don't care.



Don't tell me it can't be done. I've done it for 10 years now on the net. Weak, John, very weak. You know as well as I do that STATS gets 25-man rosters, transactions, callups and DL moves directly from Major League Baseball as they officially happen and then enter them into their data base for all the games they run. That makes perfect sense. You run an individual game for your customers and if you want to add them individually after you read it online or see it somewhere, that's your prerogative.



It's not that they don't care or that I don't care. They do it one way and the NFBC will await those transactions when they are officially processed by MLB and STATS. That's the right way to go with Sunday callups and it's the right way to go with DL moves, whether they are on Sunday or Thursday.



Save the gripe about STATS for another day because they are doing nothing wrong in this discussion of DL moves on Friday.
[/QUOTE]Stats needs to process the information when they get it, not in the middle of the night when some program updates, or not when it's convienent for them.



I don't process any DL move until it is official from MLB either.



Can't wait for the thread when a player goes on the DL Friday morning and he can't change his lineup for the whole weekend. Yes, that's going forward for ya'.



The only reason THAT will happen is because there is no LIVE customer service. That is WEAK, and so is your defending it.

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Post by JohnZ » Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:46 am

p.s.



Who's the one that told me to be one of the big boys, you have to act like one?



Please quit defending Stat's limitations. They are only going to limit the growth of your events.

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Post by KJ Duke » Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:06 pm

Don't mean to intrude on this back-and-forth, but John does make one great point.



My spin - the NFBC/NFFC offers great personalized customer service (ala a niche specialty store) for everything BUT the operation of the website, while the site operation is left to STATS, which behaves like a mass market (Kmart) vendor. Not an ideal fit. From my viewpoint, anyway, while they're not horrible, they really don't seem to offer an appropriate service level to you or us. There are multiple issues relating to site design which seem to ignore the user - as if designed by a software geek who has never played fantasy.



(BTW, when the Jungle guys had a glitch a few weeks back, they immediately let us know what was up. STATS by contrast has a glitch and no one hears from them, including you. ... and the live scoring is still screwed up everyday).



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Post by nydownunder » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:20 pm

KJ/UFS



Name me one or two Fantasy Baseball Leagues online that update DL and/or 25 man rosters real time?



Please enlighten me!
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Post by KJ Duke » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:31 pm

Originally posted by nydownunder:

KJ/UFS



Name me one or two Fantasy Baseball Leagues online that update DL and/or 25 man rosters real time?



Please enlighten me! Don't know, not the service-related issues I was referring to.

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Post by Spyhunter » Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:08 am

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by nydownunder:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by viper:

I have no problem with the proposed DL change. However, remember the quote that goes "Beware of what you wish for because you may get it".



My guess is that by week 4, there will be a DL move made by a team on Friday (before the cutoff but very near it) that STATS does not get input in time and teams will complain they they could not make a change. Week 4? We'll be lucky to make it thru week 1!
[/QUOTE]That's really no different than players being added (or not) to the active rosters by 7pm Sunday, thus available via FAAB. Nothing is perfect.
[/QUOTE]But for this amount of money, it is INCREDIBLY weak that one person can't monitor the DL moves live, or enter FA requests by the deadline THEY HAVE POSTED.



They simply don't care.



Don't tell me it can't be done. I've done it for 10 years now on the net.
[/QUOTE]I totally agree with Greg on this one - Imagine if Greg had to spend $$$ on building a personalized website and managing it in addition to all his other costs. Guess What? No one would play on NFBC because they would say that the payouts % aren't good enough



Stats is what stats is (though Greg, I did put up a thread with a list of easy to fix things that would make the experience much better - like a 'add free agent bid' button on the Free Agent Player Profile Page)



I do suggest though, that every Day DL Moves be allowed. Why not???? This would get rid of most if not all late Friday DL move non-updating complaints...



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Post by Spyhunter » Wed Sep 28, 2005 1:10 am

Originally posted by Plymouth:

I don't think I have read all 7 pages and I may have missed it but the DL change rule should also have an impact on how the rosters are made up as some players may want to have a more well rounded bench so they can take advatage of the DL rule versus having a bunch of pitchers parked on the roster or a bunch of hitters from a certain position. It should be interesting as the DL rule will be of no help if you can't fill that position from your existing bench. And make it a tiny bit more like real baseball! yahoo! I see this as a very good side benefit personally!



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Post by JohnZ » Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:09 am

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

I totally agree with Greg on this one - Imagine if Greg had to spend $$$ on building a personalized website and managing it in addition to all his other costs. Guess What? No one would play on NFBC because they would say that the payouts % aren't good enough



Stats is what stats is (though Greg, I did put up a thread with a list of easy to fix things that would make the experience much better - like a 'add free agent bid' button on the Free Agent Player Profile Page)



I do suggest though, that every Day DL Moves be allowed. Why not???? This would get rid of most if not all late Friday DL move non-updating complaints...



Spy [/QB][/quote]




No one has ever asked Greg to build his own site.



Real time DL... I've done it since 1997.



It's incredibly simple. It's as simple as changing a "1" (active) to "2" (DL) in a player field. And when they come off, pressing one button that moves a player to the bench in all leagues where he is not already in the lineup. This process takes about 10 seconds of my time per player. A monkey could do it. When I occasionally miss someone, my customers e-mail me.



Someone posted last week that they called Stats last week, and the operator did not know of Greg's game. What is that?



LIVE STATS are STILL not showing up. I have F.Garcia going this very moment and they are in 3rd inning. No one cares about fixing this. It's been a month now.



Last night, I had Chacon and C.Lee going, and only ONE time in 20 tries did both of their lines show up at the same time. This most certainly takes the enjoyment out of a close race.



Everyday DL moves will be a nightmare if run by stats. They update the software when they want to on their own schedules, and not when you are I will need them.



I am all for daily DL moves.



I guarantee you some player will be listed on a mlb.com team page as being officially on DL after a Thursday night game, and Stats will not make it official until they run their program in the middle of the night after the Friday night games, beucause they just missed their Thursday deadline.



This change will not have the desired effect. All because we have to accept that Stats is Stats?



Is the cost savings worth the lost revenue that could be generated by having the best program out there?



Greg knows every stat operator, and a majority of them can do custom work. I have no doubt he could make a deal with someone that has a better service. And that service would profit off all the private leagues NFBC owners participate in and would then use. Who amongst us would ever dream of having Stats run their local league?



Stats will always be this way because their main focus is not fantasy leagues. I'm cool with that. It's one of, if not their smallest divisions. And for 300 customers, I'm sure Greg is at the bottom of the totem pole, which is why you rarely see any explantions from them.



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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:17 am

John, your beef with STATS, Inc. after many years of dealing with them with your own company has been duly noted by my customers. Your problems aren't my customers' problems or their concerns. Please leave this alone and criticize me going forward. It's more enjoyable that way.



You are complaining about something that hasn't even happened yet. If you have a concern about me choosing STATS as my provider, then address them to me via e-mail. But this isn't the forum for you to publicly rant about STATS, the company I chose to run my game and handle my online service. They are my partner and a great partner. I run many other different operations as you know and they are the perfect complement to all that I'm doing.



Now carry on with UFS and save this until we all go to the bar at Ron Shandler's Arizona Fall League Conference in November.
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Post by JohnZ » Thu Sep 29, 2005 9:44 am

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

John, your beef with STATS, Inc. after many years of dealing with them with your own company has been duly noted by my customers. Your problems aren't my customers' problems or their concerns. Please leave this alone and criticize me going forward. It's more enjoyable that way.



You are complaining about something that hasn't even happened yet. If you have a concern about me choosing STATS as my provider, then address them to me via e-mail. But this isn't the forum for you to publicly rant about STATS, the company I chose to run my game and handle my online service. They are my partner and a great partner. I run many other different operations as you know and they are the perfect complement to all that I'm doing.



Now carry on with UFS and save this until we all go to the bar at Ron Shandler's Arizona Fall League Conference in November. Greg, I don't remember posting that "UFS" had any beef with Stats.



My perspective here has always been as YOUR customer. No one wants you to succeed more than I do.



Why is their STILL no response about live stats? You just totally ignored that AGAIN.



This forum is about rules changes for 2006, and I have stuck to that. It is MY opinion that a good rule addition will NOT BE properly implemented. I'm trying to HELP you because I see a great chance of this rule causing more harm than good. If you can get Stats to do them sooner than, "Stats is what Stats is", then YOUR game will further prosper. If you can get them to be live, that would be a HUGE selling point IMO.



I'd rather see you work with Stats, or some other provider to fix any issues BEFORE they become problems.



The "totem pole" comment stems from once being a Stats fantasy game customer for many years, not "game operator" customer. The operator side has always run very well, because that's more of their core business.



Ok.... now I will go crawl back into my hole.



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Post by nydownunder » Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:09 am

Walla Walla



I want to hear some examples of the problems you have eluded to so generically.



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Post by stan » Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:05 am

I see potential problems with Friday DL moves if player does not show up on DL but is on some other DL list. Sometimes you might have to sit there to the last minute waiting to see if stats puts your player on DL and then possible questions as to our stats DL listing. I think the cons outweigh the pros. 40 man roster is no big deal either way - if somebody wants to waste picks , so what. I don't think you can win with a bunch of minor league players but if everybody feels this could be a problem then 40 man roster picks is fine. Number of innings pitched is great.

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sat Oct 01, 2005 2:45 am

Originally posted by stan:

I see potential problems with Friday DL moves if player does not show up on DL but is on some other DL list. Sometimes you might have to sit there to the last minute waiting to see if stats puts your player on DL and then possible questions as to our stats DL listing. I think the cons outweigh the pros. 40 man roster is no big deal either way - if somebody wants to waste picks , so what. I don't think you can win with a bunch of minor league players but if everybody feels this could be a problem then 40 man roster picks is fine. Number of innings pitched is great. No worry about waiting on Friday for the DL list to be updated. We'll do a cutoff time like Thursday at midnight or Friday at noon after I talk to STATS and that will be it. If the player isn't officially on the DL at that time, then he can't be replaced in your starting lineup. What's there is there at that time.



Ideally, this rule will allow you to replace a guy who suddenly lands on the DL late Monday night or Tuesday or Wednesday. If we don't grab the guys who landed on the DL Friday or Saturday, so be it. Then get them out of your starting lineup on Monday.
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Post by Cooperstown » Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:34 am

Greg,



What about players who are released or sent to the minors? I know once this year we started Alex Sanchez only to find out on Monday night he was sent down.



You might also consider players who get suspended.



Count me in as someone who likes the rule, but doesn't really care one way or the other.

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Post by duggan » Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:55 am

once a week is enough, that was what was appealing about these leagues, can still have a life outside of fantasy and still be in the hunt for the championship,,,,who wants to be setting home at midnight on friday watching the dl wires??
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Post by Ken » Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:13 am

Wow, I'm sure glad my life is not too busy to find time to look at a computer twice a week. When do you guys find time to take a crap? :rolleyes:

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Post by Liquidhippo » Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:52 pm

Some of us have to work during the day, and some of us work at places that don't allow you to work on your fantasy teams at work. I prefer the weekly transactions, but might be able to live with a midnight type deadline, but going in to work at 10 am. and getting off between midnight and 3 am., every day, no breaks, no lunch, Monday through Friday. Transactions during the week, just might be impossible for me....unless of course I change jobs to accommodate my 'fantasy schedule'.



So where I work, they do allow you to use the restroom, how nice of them, but they don't allow you to manage your fantasy teams at work.



A noon midweek transaction might force me to, unfortunately, drop all my NFBC teams next year. I'd never be able to make any mid-week moves and my opponent would. A midnight one I could probably still manage. No midweek transactions would be better.

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:35 am

There are no midweek transactions coming in the NFBC and under the new proposal you'd be able to make a change in your starting lineup ONLY if your guy goes on the DL (not dropped to the minors or on bereavement or anything else). That starting player HAS to be moved to the DL and then you MUST have a player on your reserve roster that can fill that hole or another to make your lineup legal. That's it. And you'd be able to make that starting lineup change on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday or Friday after you've learned these details.



This won't put more than one extra minute time per week on how you check your team and it will definitely make you pay more attention to your reserve roster.
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Post by Liquidhippo » Sun Oct 02, 2005 5:35 am

Greg,



Thanks for the clarification, reading just some bits of the thread I had misunderstood some of the details. I'd still have a slight preference for no midweek moves, but it doesn't seem as big of a deal.

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Sun Oct 02, 2005 5:59 am

Originally posted by Liquidhippo:

Greg,



Thanks for the clarification, reading just some bits of the thread I had misunderstood some of the details. I'd still have a slight preference for no midweek moves, but it doesn't seem as big of a deal. It's not. If you're able to use it once or twice a year you'll be fortunate (or unfortunate). It's a small safeguard, that's it.
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Post by viper » Sun Oct 02, 2005 6:11 am

I presume we will still be able to make moves for upcoming weeks. Right now, I can set my lineup on Wedneday for the upcoming week especially if I know I will be on vacation and away from a PC.



How will DL related moves in midweek, effect these moves?



What if I want to make a DL related move on Wednesday (effective Friday) and another non-DL related move for the next week (effective Monday) on the same day as I head out of town without a PC?

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Post by Terry H » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:54 am

I noticed in the 2006 rules,included in rule 13:



However, owners are also allowed to remove a player (or players) who is officially on the DL from their starting lineup with one of their players from their reserve roster before each Friday's first game as long as the position eligibility works out. Players must officially be on the DL list according to STATS for this move (or moves) to take effect for the weekend games.



Does this mean that if I notice that I have a two-start pitcher whose first start is in Colorado and I'd like to avoid that start but use him in the second start, I just have to activate a pitcher on the DL at the beggining of the week and I'll be able to remove him prior to Friday's game and then activate my desired pitcher?

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