Presenting Your Mag2_Lg_Champion

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:25 am

50+ steals is 50+ steal sno matter how you slice it Unless he doesn't start and you get 0. Did you try slicing it that way? That's a high risk/high reward pick.

JEagle · Post by **JEagle** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:04 am

being as though hes had 650+ abs the last 5 years i dont feel the risk is a high as u do...he makes waaaay too much $$$ to not play besides plus Torre like vets..I'm not worried

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:08 am

plus he might still be traded....Dodgers don't need him in the OF...as much as they need a more reliable option at 3B and/or a much better 5th starter.........just saying

Lunatic · Post by **Lunatic** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:29 am

OK here is my team from 11:

Final Roster

Pos Name Team Pick

C Dioner Navarro TB R24 P5

C Rod Barajas PHI R30 P5

1B Adam LaRoche PIT R12 P5

1B Daric Barton OAK R21 P11

2B Ian Kinsler TEX R4 P5

2B Aaron Hill TOR R13 P11

SS J.J. Hardy MIL R11 P11

SS Jason Bartlett TB R19 P11

3B Ryan Braun MIL R1 P11

3B Chone Figgins ANA R3 P11

3B Mark Reynolds ARI R22 P5

OF Vladimir Guerrero ANA R2 P5

OF Hideki Matsui NYY R7 P11

OF Pat Burrell PHI R9 P11

OF Jose Guillen KC R15 P11

OF Wily Mo Pena WAS R17 P11

OF Reggie Willits ANA R28 P5

SP Justin Verlander DET R5 P11

SP John Smoltz ATL R6 P5

SP Yovani Gallardo MIL R8 P5

SP Clay Buchholz BOS R14 P5

SP Randy Johnson ARI R16 P5

SP Greg Maddux SD R18 P5

SP Carlos Villanueva MIL R23 P11

SP John Patterson WAS R25 P11

SP Jon Lieber CHC R26 P5

SP Adam Loewen BAL R27 P11

RP Rafael Soriano ATL R10 P5

RP Rafael Betancourt CLE R20 P5

RP Juan Cruz ARI R29 P11

There are some picks I wish I had back (not many); I loved Soriano at 10 after Ken took Loney from me; but I like LaRoche in 12;

This team is set for power numbers and pretty solid in SB's.

My biggest disappointment was having Dice K snatched from me by Wayne; so, I went with my 2nd choice there Gallardo. Yes, my catching is suspect...

Not bad for rounds 24 and 30; Saves? I think Betancourt is the closer in Cleveland come June, if not, someone will emerge.

The one pick I wish I had back? Aaron Hill in the 13th; I w as all set to pounce on Wigginton around 14/15 but Gekko grabbed him in 12, which IMO was too early, but hey, who am I?

I enjoyed the draft and don't think I have a bad team. Like with everyone else, things have to fall the right way and in season management is crucial.

Oh, Figgins in round 3? I wanted Guillen, but when he went I decided to go for some speed and he was the guy; he will be my 3B when Braun moves to the OF; I don't want to defend all my picks as I am sure you guys don't; this is my team and I am sticking with it.

Drafting against some of the best is always a GREAT way to prepare for the REAL DEAL on March 15th; Thanks for the invite, I enjoyed it.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:36 am

Originally posted by Sack:

3B became a problem. The guys I targeted went earlier than expected, thanks KOQ.This will be one of the deepest years in memory for third basemen. More 3B will go in the 1st round (ARod, Wright, Miggy, Braun) than any other position, and there are solid options throughout the draft both early and late.

Ken, you may have done very well to have waited.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:07 pm

Originally posted by Lunatic:

I was all set to pounce on Wigginton around 14/15 but Gekko grabbed him in 12, which IMO was too early, but hey, who am I?

one thing i learned about "too early"...it don't matter if you hit on the guy, esp when you are talking the difference between the 12th and 14th round.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:12 pm

Originally posted by edelman24:

RP Brandon Morrow R28 P7

mike - i didn't comment on this one at the draft, but this WAS one of the more brilliant picks of the night. good job!!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:13 pm

Originally posted by edelman24:

I was shocked Johann was there for 2.7 it screwed up my entire draft as I had to change a lot and ended up chasing speed all night long.

NEVER deviate far from your pre-draft strategy!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:14 pm

does anyone else have anymore comments about the team i assembled? advisory board? anyone? anyone? it really is a thing of beauty

[ January 25, 2008, 07:15 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:54 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

does anyone else have anymore comments about the team i assembled? advisory board? anyone? anyone? it really is a thing of beauty

Gordon, My concern with your team is two fold. First off I am not sure that Pena can deliver anywhere near what he did last year. The other troublesome area I see is your outfield, Granderson and Markakis are great, I even like Baldelli although he brings risk, but Jenkins is a platoon player at best and there is no assurance that Rasmus, Bruce, Gomez, or Hairston will have a starting job. Maybe later in the season these guys will get ML playing time but I don't see it early in the season and for you to be successful you will need 2 or possibly 3 of these guys to step up and be regulars. I think the odds are against you there. Just my opinion, but what do I know, potential is just great but I am a believer in the guys hat have done it before. Just my thoughts.... It is easy being an arm chair quarterback and looking for flaws in other teams but somehow we manage not to see our own. Anyway, I will post my team so everyone can pick on it too.

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:16 pm

My team from # 8. This draft was kind of a test for me to see how deep I could go before I felt I had to take a starter and this is what I ended up with. I almost had Santana fall to me at 2.8 and that would have changed my entire draft but he was snatched up just before he got to me and to be honest I was amazed he had dropped that far.

C - Saltamachia - 10

C - Suzuki - 20

1B - Morneau - 3

2B - BJ Upton - 2

SS - Lugo - 9

3B - Cabrera - 1

MI - Theroit - 14

CI - Sexson - 13

OF - Wells - 4

OF - A. Jones - 7

OF - Willingham - 11

OF - Crisp - 15

OF - Freel - 16

UT - Butler - 18

SP - King Felix - 6

SP - McGowan - 12

SP - Zito - 17

SP - Garland - 19

SP - Slowey - 21

SP - Danks - 26

CL - Rodriguez - 5

CL - Wagner - 8

RP - Neshek - 24

OF - Buck - 22

3B - Mora - 25

2B - Barfield - 27

OF - B. Giles - 28

SP - Carpenter - 23

RP - Lyon - 29

SP - Lee - 30

The team is not without flaws, I seemed to be chasing speed all night and that is what I thought forced me to take Lugo in the 9th. But I enjoyed the draft and with all the NFBC experience in the draft I am not sure how indicative this draft really is. All it takes is one or two picks early on that no one expects and all "hell" breaks loose.

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:26 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

does anyone else have anymore comments about the team i assembled? advisory board? anyone? anyone? it really is a thing of beauty

I would say that pitching staff should be good for at least five points.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:22 am

Originally posted by Plymouth:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

does anyone else have anymore comments about the team i assembled? advisory board? anyone? anyone? it really is a thing of beauty

Gordon, My concern with your team is two fold. First off I am not sure that Pena can deliver anywhere near what he did last year. The other troublesome area I see is your outfield, Granderson and Markakis are great, I even like Baldelli although he brings risk, but Jenkins is a platoon player at best and there is no assurance that Rasmus, Bruce, Gomez, or Hairston will have a starting job. Maybe later in the season these guys will get ML playing time but I don't see it early in the season and for you to be successful you will need 2 or possibly 3 of these guys to step up and be regulars. I think the odds are against you there. Just my opinion, but what do I know, potential is just great but I am a believer in the guys hat have done it before. Just my thoughts.... It is easy being an arm chair quarterback and looking for flaws in other teams but somehow we manage not to see our own. Anyway, I will post my team so everyone can pick on it too. [/QUOTE]do you think bruce and rasmus will be going in the teens come march?

[ January 26, 2008, 07:24 AM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:45 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

do you think bruce and rasmus will be going in the teens come march? If they have starting major league gigs, yes.

If AAA-bound, no.

My guess is the latter.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:06 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

do you think bruce and rasmus will be going in the teens come march? If they have starting major league gigs, yes.

If AAA-bound, no.

My guess is the latter. [/QUOTE]Will you know the answer to that question by march 15th?

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:57 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by King of Queens:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

do you think bruce and rasmus will be going in the teens come march? If they have starting major league gigs, yes.

If AAA-bound, no.

My guess is the latter. [/QUOTE]Will you know the answer to that question by march 15th? [/QUOTE]And there-in lies the mystery...

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:03 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

[/qb]do you think bruce and rasmus will be going in the teens come march? [/QB][/quote]

Taking these kinds of players in the teens is risky business because we all know that spring training proves little and we draft in mid-March which is only 2 weeks into the spring training games. At that point the veterans are just starting to get ready for the season and the youngsters have had their time in the sun and are getting ready to move to the minor league side of camp. We have all seen great training camps and then the player disappears off the face of the earth. We also learned last year that teams can not be trusted as to what they say so that puts us at a disadvanatge. I think all you can do is watch and do what makes sense to you. We all know that beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, one mans rubbish is another man's traesure, etc. I think the real good players here in NFBC believe what they see and pay attention to what they hear but don't take other opinions as Gospel. The good players anticipate well and are willing to take calculated risks. As they say, if you are not the lead dog, then your view is always the same.

I would take these guys but it would have to be later in the draft unless you have a serious hole that you can't fix any other way so then the risk is worth taking. Just my opinion...

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:07 am

Fun facts about the NFBC Mag Draft II to know and bore your friends...

We allowed 90 seconds for picks for the first 15 rounds. We thought it was going too slowly, so we changed to 60 for the last 15 rounds. The average time it took for each owner to draft all 30 players was 810 seconds (excluding the extra time allowed for two pauses). The quickest was...well, I will let you guess (but it wasn't me)...and took 406 seconds. Three owners took all of 1100 seconds.

The MLB team with the most players picked is easy, right? Had to be BOS and NYY, right? Nope. It was the Angels of LA/ANA/SJ (20). The team with the fewest players taken was FLA (9).

Most batters taken? A tie (11 each) between the Angels, the White Sox, and, get this, the Pirates! There was a lot of speculation around the Pirate OF. The fewest batters taken was also a tie (6) between three, Marlins, Cardinals, and Giants.

The most pitchers taken? Three teams with 9 pithers taken were Angels, Arizona, and Chicago. The least was a tie with only three pitchers taken each from the Marlins and the Rangers.

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:25 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

The quickest was...well, I will let you guess (but it wasn't me)...and took 406 seconds. Three owners took all of 1100 seconds.

It's amazing what only a few quick drafters can do, timewise, to a draft. Our Mag draft was rather quick. I happened to notice the two ends, KJ and myself, drafting rather quickly. 2 people can reduce a draftime by 30 minutes.

Wayne, you love doing stuff like this , don't you? BTW, I like reading all the different stats you post.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:57 am

I do, I admit. I guess it is a mutant gene that leaves with a desire to find mostly useless trends.

Several things intrigued me about this draft though. It was surprising that all PIT batting starters were selected as well as so much speculation on the PIT outfield. Most people have the Pirates deep in the second division again, so all of the speculation is a bit amazing. Wonder if we will get enough information out of spring training to change this minor "trend"?

JEagle · Post by **JEagle** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:03 am

I believe that I was the quickest if not then pretty close

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:28 am

Originally posted by JEagle:

I believe that I was the quickest if not then pretty close You were the second fastest.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:34 am

FYI...I just realized I had Bonds included in the SF numbers, so only five Giants batters were picked. Four outfielders and one catcher. No Giants infielders were picked. No surprise. :rolleyes:

JEagle · Post by **JEagle** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:03 pm

i dont remember a lot but i know Gekko was on the ball and was pickin quick too

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:09 am

Originally posted by JEagle:

i dont remember a lot but i know Gekko was on the ball and was pickin quick too Winner! According to my calculation, GG was the quickest with his picks. It looks like he took more than 32 seconds only once in 30 rounds. If you are drafting on either side of him, folks, you better have your skates on!