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Post by eddiejag » Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:06 am

Crazy you need to get in the main thats where it is.Is Dub in , if not how bout a partnership for the 1st year.Sometimes partnerships can work.
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Post by Crazy Like a Fox » Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:44 am

Originally posted by eddiejag:

Crazy you need to get in the main thats where it is.Is Dub in , if not how bout a partnership for the 1st year.Sometimes partnerships can work. I know, I know. I want to get into the Main pretty badly. I want to know what it's like to play in a high stakes league.



I'm focusing on 3 satellite leagues, need 1st place in 2 of them, or top 2 in one of them to go to the Main Event next year.



I am definitely doing my homework.



Wish me luck.



Um, Dub is not in, but he's getting his feet wet this year and maybe there's a chance that Dub and maybe another friend will go in 2009 as well. Still up in the air.
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Post by TheKing » Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:01 am

Dub,



Would you consider going halfers with Crazy next year for the Main Event? Do you think you are a better talent evaluator than bjoak?
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Post by Dub » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:10 pm

Originally posted by TheKing:

Dub,



Would you consider going halfers with Crazy next year for the Main Event? Do you think you are a better talent evaluator than bjoak? From what I have read, I think Oak is probably excellent at evaluating talent because he is a stat guy and to me, stats are the only objective thing we have in FBB, not that the other stuff does not matter. I read that Oak studies the ADP and I agree with the importance of that report. The larger the sample size the more I like the ADP!



Crazy and I are two chefs and you know what happens to the broth when there are too many. Although I do respect Crazy's talent, in four years he has beat me 3 times and last year he came in second, and I third and I clearly had the better team- he out managed me. The winner of that league is also playing in a satellite, winner take all, league this year. Besides Crazy is crazy.



I do not say this to be cocky, I plan on winning one of my two satellite leagues and will be on my own in the main event next year, but lets see if I like the experience first (so far so good- Tom has been great).



Next year, I might want to try an auction league- I have never done that and it sounds like a blast.
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Post by Dub » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:16 pm

The reason why I love the ADP- if its accurate you know what to pay for a player and can get better players in fewer picks.
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Post by Dub » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:19 pm

I will say this- there is no better time to be in Vegas than during the opening round in the tourny- its non stop action from 7am til 11pm.
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Post by Chest Rockwell » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:38 pm

Originally posted by Dub:

The reason why I love the ADP- if its accurate you know what to pay for a player and can get better players in fewer picks. Yeah I am a big ADP guy too, but I think I get too wrapped in value. For example last year I took Glaus in round 10. I hate Glaus- my advisory panel advised me against Glaus. Why did I take him b/c it was 2 rounds later than he was supposed to go. I think I will be a little more aggressive this year and not be afraid to reach for guys I like.

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Post by Dub » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:45 pm

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Dub:

[. Yeah I am a big ADP guy too, but I think I get too wrapped in value. For example last year I took Glaus in round 10. I hate Glaus- my advisory panel advised me against Glaus. Why did I take him b/c it was 2 rounds later than he was supposed to go. I think I will be a little more aggressive this year and not be afraid to reach for guys I like. [/QB][/QUOTE]Yes- there is definitely a gambling element to the ADP. I agree, if you love a player- you reach.
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Post by Gordon Gekko » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:04 pm

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

Why did I take him b/c it was 2 rounds later than he was supposed to go. i hope you're not serious

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Post by eddiejag » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:26 pm

Chest im a big ADP guy.Last year i passed on Bedard in the 8th only because Sexson was still on the board who's ADP was the 6th round.Bedard did make the 9th round in some leagues but not mine.ADP is a great tool but sometimes you need to go with what you might need more.
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Post by Dub » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:36 pm

Originally posted by eddiejag:

Chest im a big ADP guy.Last year i passed on Bedard in the 8th only because Sexson was still on the board who's ADP was the 6th round.Bedard did make the 9th round in some leagues but not mine.ADP is a great tool but sometimes you need to go with what you might need more. Eddie:



Herein lies the problem, if everyone does not follow the ADP- we have chaos- LOL.
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Post by Chest Rockwell » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:03 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

Why did I take him b/c it was 2 rounds later than he was supposed to go. i hope you're not serious [/QUOTE]You choose the best answer to fit your needs.



Choice A



Not everyone is as smart as you Mark- you ever think about being a life coach



Choice B



There are actually some people in this world who can admit a mistake and not use words like muuuaaah to try to hide it.

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Post by Gordon Gekko » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:14 pm

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

Why did I take him b/c it was 2 rounds later than he was supposed to go. i hope you're not serious [/QUOTE]You choose the best answer to fit your needs.



Choice A



Not everyone is as smart as you Mark- you ever think about being a life coach



Choice B



There are actually some people in this world who can admit a mistake and not use words like muuuaaah to try to hide it.
[/QUOTE]i didn't peg you as someone who would select a player simply because his adp was 2 rounds earlier and he was still on the board. guess i was wrong.

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Post by Chest Rockwell » Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:44 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

Why did I take him b/c it was 2 rounds later than he was supposed to go. i hope you're not serious [/QUOTE]You choose the best answer to fit your needs.



Choice A



Not everyone is as smart as you Mark- you ever think about being a life coach



Choice B



There are actually some people in this world who can admit a mistake and not use words like muuuaaah to try to hide it.
[/QUOTE]i didn't peg you as someone who would select a player simply because his adp was 2 rounds earlier and he was still on the board. guess i was wrong.
[/QUOTE]Well after a few posts back and forth we are still at the same points. I made a mistake I need to correct and you simply operate on a different level and would never do such a silly thing. How bout we just leave it there..

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Post by sportsbettingman » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:29 pm

Feeling a bit frisky...while reading this thread a thought popped into my little brain...



GG won the FIRST NFFC (with a co-manager).



GG did very well in last years NFBC.



Since the successful NFFC...not a sniff of a repeat.



Will that happen here as well?



(I doubt it...due to baseballs many games played allowing constant adjustments to correct weaknesses.)



It's just two things come to mind...



1) The first year of an event (like when GG won the NFFC) has the built in learning curve. Logic would dictate that each year thereafter would be more difficult to win...due to more opponents, and the experience and learning of the owner pool to apply to the following year.



The short burst of the NFL season allows for any owner to win. So...even with all the experience gained from GG's first championship...and more effort and thought and man hours put in...the results have fallen short in the main.



2) With the long baseball season allowing so much time and games played to apply and allow your strategy to slowly play out...the odds are better for the best owners to profit. I'll assume GG has learned from last years final month...and I'll assume that he has put in more man hours for this years draft.



Should he fall short of a league championship or top 25 finish...will it be based pretty much solely on poor luck with injury?



Not really calling YOU out, Mark...this applies to everyone here.



When the bottom and middle tier owners keep learning and improving...the advantage of the highest skilled owners has to drop (this game isn't THAT complex...so they also can't keep learning and improving at an equal rate)...and thus the difference between success and failure may more often than not come down to injury luck.



...and I babble...sorry.



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Post by Gordon Gekko » Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:02 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Feeling a bit frisky...while reading this thread a thought popped into my little brain...



GG won the FIRST NFFC (with a co-manager).



GG did very well in last years NFBC.



Since the successful NFFC...not a sniff of a repeat.



Will that happen here as well?



(I doubt it...due to baseballs many games played allowing constant adjustments to correct weaknesses.)



It's just two things come to mind...



1) The first year of an event (like when GG won the NFFC) has the built in learning curve. Logic would dictate that each year thereafter would be more difficult to win...due to more opponents, and the experience and learning of the owner pool to apply to the following year.



The short burst of the NFL season allows for any owner to win. So...even with all the experience gained from GG's first championship...and more effort and thought and man hours put in...the results have fallen short in the main.



2) With the long baseball season allowing so much time and games played to apply and allow your strategy to slowly play out...the odds are better for the best owners to profit. I'll assume GG has learned from last years final month...and I'll assume that he has put in more man hours for this years draft.



Should he fall short of a league championship or top 25 finish...will it be based pretty much solely on poor luck with injury?



Not really calling YOU out, Mark...this applies to everyone here.



When the bottom and middle tier owners keep learning and improving...the advantage of the highest skilled owners has to drop (this game isn't THAT complex...so they also can't keep learning and improving at an equal rate)...and thus the difference between success and failure may more often than not come down to injury luck.



...and I babble...sorry.



~Lance lance...

you're a funny man when you get in your drunken state :D



most of the players out there will never finish top 5 in just ONE of the national contests in their ENTIRE NFBC/NFFC careers. i've done it in both the nfbc/nffc in only 4 years. trust me, the best is yet to come (esp on the baseball end).



as for football, that is more of a "weekend warrior" sport. not really my cup of tea. i'm thankful i got the 100K prize out of the way with that one already.



now as for you, i think the only thing you've gotten a "sniff of" is the exhaust from the forklift i need to use to pick up my nfbc/nffc check year after year.



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Post by King of Queens » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:16 am

You've done a complete 180 in only 16 months! :D



Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

fantasy baseball...looking at boxscores every night, "hanging in" for 26 weeks, keeping tabs on all the triple A (and sometime double A) clubs, seeing who was promoted, watching the DL rule, etc...plus baseball is one of the MOST BORING sports to watch. it's on the same level as golf or auto racing. no thanks, i'm out of the "daily" warfare business.



fantasy football...perfect fantasy sport for someone with a life, family, etc...it's exciting to watch. plus, all the games are condensed into one or two days. also get more "follow the crowd" type owners in fantasy football. can't beat it.

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Post by King of Queens » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:17 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

now as for you, i think the only thing you've gotten a "sniff of" is the exhaust from the forklift i need to use to pick up my nfbc/nffc check year after year. Now THAT'S some classic Gekko shinola right there.

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Post by sportsbettingman » Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:51 am

Not bad, Marky! :D



This is going to be one hell of a baseball season!



I may offer a side bet! :eek:



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Post by billywaz » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:21 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

You've done a complete 180 in only 16 months! :D



quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

fantasy baseball...looking at boxscores every night, "hanging in" for 26 weeks, keeping tabs on all the triple A (and sometime double A) clubs, seeing who was promoted, watching the DL rule, etc...plus baseball is one of the MOST BORING sports to watch. it's on the same level as golf or auto racing. no thanks, i'm out of the "daily" warfare business.



fantasy football...perfect fantasy sport for someone with a life, family, etc...it's exciting to watch. plus, all the games are condensed into one or two days. also get more "follow the crowd" type owners in fantasy football. can't beat it.
[/QUOTE]WOW!



That is what being successful in one, and struggling in the other will do.



Who knows, maybe if baseball works for me, I will be saying that about football too!!! :eek:



NAAAAAHHH!....baseball will NEVER take the place of football for me! ;)

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Post by Gordon Gekko » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:35 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

You've done a complete 180 in only 16 months! :D



quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

fantasy baseball...looking at boxscores every night, "hanging in" for 26 weeks, keeping tabs on all the triple A (and sometime double A) clubs, seeing who was promoted, watching the DL rule, etc...plus baseball is one of the MOST BORING sports to watch. it's on the same level as golf or auto racing. no thanks, i'm out of the "daily" warfare business.



fantasy football...perfect fantasy sport for someone with a life, family, etc...it's exciting to watch. plus, all the games are condensed into one or two days. also get more "follow the crowd" type owners in fantasy football. can't beat it.
[/QUOTE]that's a great quote and shows that when i made the post that i was NOT committed to investing the time needed to be successful with baseball. thankfully i changed course. pretty neat transforamtion.

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Post by Gordon Gekko » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:36 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Not bad, Marky! :D



This is going to be one hell of a baseball season!



I may offer a side bet! :eek:



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Post by Gordon Gekko » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:40 am

Originally posted by billywaz:

WOW!



That is what being successful in one, and struggling in the other will do.



Who knows, maybe if baseball works for me, I will be saying that about football too!!! :eek:

not sure what you are referring about here. football has always worked for me. in general terms, even though i haven't been successful in the nffc main event (for a couple reasons), i've basically dominated the other nffc leagues i've joined. 4 league championships and 9 money finishes (i believe) in the last 14 nffc leagues i've played. very few people are on that level.

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Post by Gordon Gekko » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:42 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

Well after a few posts back and forth we are still at the same points. I made a mistake I need to correct and you simply operate on a different level and would never do such a silly thing. How bout we just leave it there.. one of the more interesting subplots for Draft Day 2008 is to see what choice Chest makes when faced with a "lukewarm" adp decision point on draft day. will he pick the adp play or pass?

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Post by billywaz » Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:55 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by billywaz:

WOW!



That is what being successful in one, and struggling in the other will do.



Who knows, maybe if baseball works for me, I will be saying that about football too!!! :eek:

not sure what you are referring about here. football has always worked for me. in general terms, even though i haven't been successful in the nffc main event (for a couple reasons), i've basically dominated the other nffc leagues i've joined. 4 league championships and 9 money finishes (i believe) in the last 14 nffc leagues i've played. very few people are on that level.
[/QUOTE]I was just referring to the Main and other live events. I don't really consider a league "high stakes" unless the entry is $500 or more.



Agreed that you have done VERY well in the satellites ($100-$250 events).



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