Yes or No?

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:14 am

Originally posted by Less than Dave:

Hey Crazy, just here to weigh-in also...

First of all, I have a question: why did you even draft Wheeler, Durham, and Crosby? Those guys are going to have 0 or negative value and shouldn't be drafted. Those are guys you see sitting on the waiver wire the whole year.

Next is the problem of youth. LaRoche, Maybin, Gomez, Stewart, Wood, Kershaw. Granted, these were late picks, but far too many guys who have less than 50 games under their belt at the MLB level. Maybin and Gomez are too young and raw and will destroy your AVG. Stewart isn't likely to win a starting job (Jayson Nix and Marcus Giles are ahead of him), nor is Wood (Aybar/Izturis). LaRoche and Kershaw are probably your best bets for making a positive impact, although Maybin and Gomez will steal you some bases (while sucking in other cats).

Then, you drafted several guys with injury concerns. Usually when there are several older/injury-prone high risk/reward pitchers you draft 1 of them.. you drafted both Unit AND Pedro.... then topped it off with John Patterson. You're going to spend more time on the waiver wire than Gekko spends videoing himself. And that's just not healthy.

Likewise on offense, I don't have a problem with the Sexson OR the Nick Johnson pick as long as you follow up one with a solid back up plan, but instead you took 2 risky picks on top of each other. You also took Maggs and Sheffield, both of whom are injury risks. Even Joe Mauer is a guy who has lots of injury concerns. That's your problem, you only see the reward without looking at the risk as well. It's fine to draft a couple of these guys (maybe 3 or so), but not like 1/3 of your team. By the end of the season you likely won't even recognize your team!

Effectively you wasted the Peavy pick by surrounding him with risky, unproven, and unskilled pitchers. Bonderman has never had an ERA south of 4, and Slowey, Ubaldo, and Ervin at best are #3 starters.

Here's some things I do like: I love the 2 good catchers. That will give you a boost. I love the Sheffield pick. If he's healthy, and he should be, he will far outperform his ADP. I also love the Delmon Young pick. He could break out this year and put up David Wright-ish numbers. The Atkins pick was also great.. might help offset your terrible average... a little. Unfortunately that infield is God-awful.

Good luck with it man, I sincerely wish you the best.. you're a good guy and you're always trying to learn and THAT is what will make you a good fantasy player in the future. Now you know. And knowing is half the battle...

(I'll let someone else finish off that quote..) ok, good post.

I'll answer your questions:

1. Why did I draft Crosby, Durham, Wheeler.

Crosby was the best shortstop available in the 21st round IMO, I don't care for him at all. I could have gone for Aybar but I don't like getting guys with no power, but considering I have good power already, maybe it's not the worst idea, also I don't think he holds onto that job with Brandon Wood waiting in the wings.

Durham - I like him to bounce back this year. I was going to draft Ellis late but he was already taken.

Wheeeler? I wanted to get a closer in waiting, I think Percival won't last and I think they would rather have Reyes in middle relief. It was a horrible pick admittedly, as I wasn't sure what to do with my 29th pick, I waited too long to get a 3rd closer or even a good closer-in-waiting.

Laroche - Love him. Very underrated in draft. Stud in minors. He's on my bench, what's not to like? Could be big producer at corner. I know Torre favors veterans, but how can you ignore Laroche's potential?

Brandon Wood - hopefully he saves me from the dreadful Crosby.

Maybin/Gomez - picked strictly for stolen bases based on "bad draft management". I was short stolen bases, I realize the batting average conundrum. Do you recommend I give up on a category just to save my batting average?

I realize you guys have a right to your opinion and that my draft seems "crazy" to most of you, but IMHO it's a good draft (especially compared to my competition) and it has potential, but it also has some problems.

It's my first of 3 drafts. I think my 1-8 picks are incredible, what can I say? They're not good picks, they're great picks.

I think you guys are right about me relying too much on Peavy being the anchor and taking possibly too many chances on pitching. I still like my pitching, and if Randy or Pedro give me a stud pitcher, combined with Peavy, Ubaldo, Slowey, Santana and possibly Kershaw mid-season, then my staff combined with Saito/Sherrill strong peripherals, I should be fine. Huge mistake not drafting a 3rd closer IMO.

I do see the same flaws as you guys. I don't think it's a bad draft. I think it's easy to look at anybody's draft and see flaws. There are no perfect drafts. Although, I do need to work on draft management.

What can I say, in the end, the guys I got I really liked besides Crosby, Maybin, Wheeler.

I did think I was going to get Gallardo in the 8th, especially with him losing a month of spring training, which puts him behind (some pitchers never recover during the season) but he went in the 7th.

So what I've learned from my first draft.

#1 - Don't think you have certain categories wrapped up in the first 10 rounds (batting average)

#2 - If I get a stud pitcher, don't rely too heavily on them to carry you, still need atleast 3 "solid" pitchers.

#3 - Get 3 closers. Don't mess around with that. One closer goes down, and so does your season.

#4 - Get stolen bases early, I already know that. But, I have to keep telling myself. It's my achilles heal.

#5 - Don't underrate batting average guys, don't overage no batting average/high production.

I will still compete for 1st place. I figure all I need is a shortstop/middle infielder to pick up on the wire and I like my pitching staff regardless of what has been said.

Man, I've got a lot of work to do.

Thanks for all your help.

I won't post anybody elses draft, but it would be interesting to see if any Main Event members would be willing to put their team next to mine for comparison sake in this thread. Not saying my team will look better, but should more easily identify my weaknesses/strengths in my draft.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:41 am

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

quote:Originally posted by Less than Dave:

Hey Crazy, just here to weigh-in also...

First of all, I have a question: why did you even draft Wheeler, Durham, and Crosby? Those guys are going to have 0 or negative value and shouldn't be drafted. Those are guys you see sitting on the waiver wire the whole year.

Next is the problem of youth. LaRoche, Maybin, Gomez, Stewart, Wood, Kershaw. Granted, these were late picks, but far too many guys who have less than 50 games under their belt at the MLB level. Maybin and Gomez are too young and raw and will destroy your AVG. Stewart isn't likely to win a starting job (Jayson Nix and Marcus Giles are ahead of him), nor is Wood (Aybar/Izturis). LaRoche and Kershaw are probably your best bets for making a positive impact, although Maybin and Gomez will steal you some bases (while sucking in other cats).

Then, you drafted several guys with injury concerns. Usually when there are several older/injury-prone high risk/reward pitchers you draft 1 of them.. you drafted both Unit AND Pedro.... then topped it off with John Patterson. You're going to spend more time on the waiver wire than Gekko spends videoing himself. And that's just not healthy.

Likewise on offense, I don't have a problem with the Sexson OR the Nick Johnson pick as long as you follow up one with a solid back up plan, but instead you took 2 risky picks on top of each other. You also took Maggs and Sheffield, both of whom are injury risks. Even Joe Mauer is a guy who has lots of injury concerns. That's your problem, you only see the reward without looking at the risk as well. It's fine to draft a couple of these guys (maybe 3 or so), but not like 1/3 of your team. By the end of the season you likely won't even recognize your team!

Effectively you wasted the Peavy pick by surrounding him with risky, unproven, and unskilled pitchers. Bonderman has never had an ERA south of 4, and Slowey, Ubaldo, and Ervin at best are #3 starters.

Here's some things I do like: I love the 2 good catchers. That will give you a boost. I love the Sheffield pick. If he's healthy, and he should be, he will far outperform his ADP. I also love the Delmon Young pick. He could break out this year and put up David Wright-ish numbers. The Atkins pick was also great.. might help offset your terrible average... a little. Unfortunately that infield is God-awful.

Good luck with it man, I sincerely wish you the best.. you're a good guy and you're always trying to learn and THAT is what will make you a good fantasy player in the future. Now you know. And knowing is half the battle...

(I'll let someone else finish off that quote..) ok, good post.

I'll answer your questions:

1. Why did I draft Crosby, Durham, Wheeler.

Crosby was the best shortstop available in the 21st round IMO, I don't care for him at all. I could have gone for Aybar but I don't like getting guys with no power, but considering I have good power already, maybe it's not the worst idea, also I don't think he holds onto that job with Brandon Wood waiting in the wings.

Durham - I like him to bounce back this year. I was going to draft Ellis late but he was already taken.

Wheeeler? I wanted to get a closer in waiting, I think Percival won't last and I think they would rather have Reyes in middle relief. It was a horrible pick admittedly, as I wasn't sure what to do with my 29th pick, I waited too long to get a 3rd closer or even a good closer-in-waiting.

Laroche - Love him. Very underrated in draft. Stud in minors. He's on my bench, what's not to like? Could be big producer at corner. I know Torre favors veterans, but how can you ignore Laroche's potential?

Brandon Wood - hopefully he saves me from the dreadful Crosby.

Maybin/Gomez - picked strictly for stolen bases based on "bad draft management". I was short stolen bases, I realize the batting average conundrum. Do you recommend I give up on a category just to save my batting average?

I realize you guys have a right to your opinion and that my draft seems "crazy" to most of you, but IMHO it's a good draft (especially compared to my competition) and it has potential, but it also has some problems.

It's my first of 3 drafts. I think my 1-8 picks are incredible, what can I say? They're not good picks, they're great picks.

I think you guys are right about me relying too much on Peavy being the anchor and taking possibly too many chances on pitching. I still like my pitching, and if Randy or Pedro give me a stud pitcher, combined with Peavy, Ubaldo, Slowey, Santana and possibly Kershaw mid-season, then my staff combined with Saito/Sherrill strong peripherals, I should be fine. Huge mistake not drafting a 3rd closer IMO.

I do see the same flaws as you guys. I don't think it's a bad draft. I think it's easy to look at anybody's draft and see flaws. There are no perfect drafts. Although, I do need to work on draft management.

What can I say, in the end, the guys I got I really liked besides Crosby, Maybin, Wheeler.

I did think I was going to get Gallardo in the 8th, especially with him losing a month of spring training, which puts him behind (some pitchers never recover during the season) but he went in the 7th.

So what I've learned from my first draft.

#1 - Don't think you have certain categories wrapped up in the first 10 rounds (batting average)

#2 - If I get a stud pitcher, don't rely too heavily on them to carry you, still need atleast 3 "solid" pitchers.

#3 - Get 3 closers. Don't mess around with that. One closer goes down, and so does your season.

#4 - Get stolen bases early, I already know that. But, I have to keep telling myself. It's my achilles heal.

#5 - Don't underrate batting average guys, don't overage no batting average/high production.

I will still compete for 1st place. I figure all I need is a shortstop/middle infielder to pick up on the wire and I like my pitching staff regardless of what has been said.

Man, I've got a lot of work to do.

Thanks for all your help.

I won't post anybody elses draft, but it would be interesting to see if any Main Event members would be willing to put their team next to mine for comparison sake in this thread. Not saying my team will look better, but should more easily identify my weaknesses/strengths in my draft. [/QUOTE]Great list of things to learn from that draft except one. Don't draft 3 closers that is just silly. I know of only one person in the main event who has had any success who does it. Sure you could have done a better job getting spec guys after round 20 but Wheeler was a start and not a bad pick. Your number one closer if healthy will put you above 3-4 teams in the league by himself. IMO Sherrill is a very good play where you got him- I just would have at least backed him up with one of the following Aquino, J Walker, or Sarfate.

Bottom line to draft 3 legit closers you have to use 20% of your picks in the first 15 rounds for one category and a high risk one at that. Plus lots of times the gains from a 3rd closer are given back by the loss in k's and wins.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:52 am

Not to mention that closing is a revolving door and about half the guys closing today will not be closing at the end of the year.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:16 am

Chest, I think you're right that I could have done a better job picking a closer-in-waiting.

You are also correct that it would have been better if I backed up Sherrill with a guy like Jamie Walker.

I do think I remember seeing Shawn Childs write that it's a good idea to draft 3 closers because it's costs too much in FAAB dollars to pick one up if one of your closers go down or at the very least a closer in waiting.

I think Marmol or David Riske would have been better choices than Wheeler.

On a side note: I appreciate the criticism even though it's never easy to hear negative stuff when you've spent so much time researching and going through a 4 hour draft. But it is necessary and has been helpful.

Still learning, I do agree with many assessments but I am surprised that nobody thought it was a good draft.

I think if my assessments are correct, I will have a competitive team. And if I should beat a couple of these critics whom I'm facing in the league, then I should be validated somewhat.

Does anybody from Feb. 19th - WTA - #1 - want to put their team next to mine for comparison sake?

Not as a challenge, but as a learning tool. Just so I can hear comments about another team that looks "better" on paper to you guys so I can see where I went wrong.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:25 am

For what it's worth, time will tell if it's a bad team or a good team. I would say and agree with others that you are weak(as of right now) at 1b/2b/ss. But your OF should be solid. And if you get 40-45 starts from RJ and Pete, your SP's aren't bad at all. I think Bonderman and Ervin were decent picks.

RP's? Who knows. I left a draft last year with NONE and led my league in saves. Saito is a nice place to start.

Right now, without knowing any other team in your league, I would think you're right in the middle. If things go well for you, you might make some noise. If they don't, it was a learning experience, right?

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:48 am

Crazy i also think your taking Durham way to high, he went in the 28th round in the Childs league . if you really like him you can still get him 150 picks later.I like Wheeler in the 29th round , hes a solid middle man with a chance to close if those old dudes have promblems.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:56 am

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

For what it's worth, time will tell if it's a bad team or a good team. I would say and agree with others that you are weak(as of right now) at 1b/2b/ss. But your OF should be solid. And if you get 40-45 starts from RJ and Pete, your SP's aren't bad at all. I think Bonderman and Ervin were decent picks.

RP's? Who knows. I left a draft last year with NONE and led my league in saves. Saito is a nice place to start.

Right now, without knowing any other team in your league, I would think you're right in the middle. If things go well for you, you might make some noise. If they don't, it was a learning experience, right? I agree, I'm very weak at 2nd at 1st base with Sexons but Nick Johnson could really help there in BA.

2nd base - I've got Uggla who I think is more of a .260-30-90-100 run guy. Not bad for the 10th round.

Shortstop with Crosby is unacceptable. I don't think it's impossible to find players to fill a couple holes as the season wears on.

I agree that "time will tell" how good my draft goes.

I certainly didn't want to have low batting average guys but when the 20-21st round roll around and the only thing I need is a shortstop and a 2nd baseman I felt I got the best players available. I didn't see any .280+ hitters laying around. But I clearly put myself in that predicament.

I think people might underestimate my combination of Mauer and Ramon Hernandez at the catcher positions.

Average catcher in 2007 hit .255-10-55.

I think if I install Nick Johnson at 1st, Uggla hits .260+, find a .280 shortstop replacement, Maybin or Gomez (whomever I use as my #5 outfielder) hits .260, Ray Durham comes close to his 2006 BA of .293 then we're looking at a top 3 BA in my league. I know it's a lot of ifs, but I think it's certainly possible, definitely not unfathomable.

So this prediction that I fall on my face in batting average seems to be predicated on NONE of these things happening which underrates my ability to make in-season adjustments.

Time will tell.

Thanks for all responses.

rockitsauce · Post by **rockitsauce** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:59 am

"Man I can't critique your draft. Here's mine."

WTF? You can't be bothered to comment on some other guy's drafted team, but then expect others to give you input on yours?! Weak!

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:02 pm

Originally posted by eddiejag:

Crazy i also think your taking Durham way to high, he went in the 28th round in the Childs league . if you really like him you can still get him 150 picks later.I like Wheeler in the 29th round , hes a solid middle man with a chance to close if those old dudes have promblems. Thanks eddiejag.

You could be right about getting Durham later. I just know that many times during the draft the player I liked was taken a round earlier than I was even willing to reach for.

Hey, Durham's in a contract year, what more do I have to say? The man could lose his job to Frandsen but I don't expect that.

I think getting Brandon Wood in the 30th was a great way to possibly back up Crosby (although he doesn't offer great BA, and Ian Stewart has a real chance to win that 2nd base job potentially giving me a .290 hitter to replace Durham as MI.

I love Andy Laroche this year. I think last year's stats in brief time up put too many question marks in people's heads regarding his potential. This guy's minor league numbers are very impressive. Does anybody really think Nomar can hold him off, especially with his injury woes?

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:02 pm

I'm finding out that Catcher and SP aren't very respected positions around here.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:16 pm

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

I'm finding out that Catcher and SP aren't very respected positions around here. How right you are.

Had I chosen Gallardo in round 7, many critics would say I took a pitcher too early after Peavy.

Like Michael Jordan had to go through. Many critics said he didn't have a good enough jumpshot coming out of college, so he worked everyday on it until it was a positive.

I think my "jumpshot" is steals and taking too much risk. But I will work on it everyday, and one day it will be a positive. Wow, that was deep.

Less than Dave · Post by **Less than Dave** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:28 pm

Originally posted by NorCalAtlFan:

I'm finding out that Catcher and SP aren't very respected positions around here. Different people have different philosophies. Not sure where I stand this year. The guy who beat me last year drafted Santana and 2 good catchers, so clearly it can be done.. although I think picking up Ryan Braun had more than a little to do with that...

Crazy, I'm sorry if I offended you or upset you with my critique. I really think you're handling it well and you're a good guy. I just can't say I think your team has a chance in hell, because I don't think it does. That's great if you think it does, that's just my opinion.. I'm a nobody anyways, but I gotta be honest. Hope you don't take it to heart. Good luck though man, I hope you do well.

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:00 am

Originally posted by rockitsauce:

"Man I can't critique your draft. Here's mine."

WTF? You can't be bothered to comment on some other guy's drafted team, but then expect others to give you input on yours?! Weak! I think you may have missed the dynamics. GLY is a perennial winner here. He has boasted that he can win a league no matter what draft strategy he employs. Apparently, he has been successful with this boast.

Crazy asked him about waiting until round 7 to pick a SP. GLY put his money where is mouth was and even went one step further and drafted his ENTIRE offense before he selected his FIRST pitcher.

Crazy did not need to evaluate this draft for him. I would not bet against either GLY or Crazy winning their two leagues with these teams and their in-season management methods.

Top Dawg · Post by **Top Dawg** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:09 am

Originally posted by Dub:

quote:Originally posted by rockitsauce:

"Man I can't critique your draft. Here's mine."

WTF? You can't be bothered to comment on some other guy's drafted team, but then expect others to give you input on yours?! Weak! I think you may have missed the dynamics. GLY is a perennial winner here. He has boasted that he can win a league no matter what draft strategy he employs. Apparently, he has been successful with this boast.

Crazy asked him about waiting until round 7 to pick a SP. GLY put his money where is mouth was and even went one step further and drafted his ENTIRE offense before he selected his FIRST pitcher.

Crazy did not need to evaluate this draft for him. I would not bet against either GLY or Crazy winning their two leagues with these teams and their in-season management methods. [/QUOTE]I think it is safe to say the strategy looks bad now that it is on paper. To be quite honest, I am having a hard time figuring out who his top 8-10 picks were as I can only guess at about 5 of them. He has had a TON of more success than I have had, so like someone else said, maybe this draft looks good to those who know more than I do.

Pete

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:48 am

Originally posted by Top Dawg:

maybe this draft looks good to those who know more than I do.

pete - both teams look bad on paper. trying a silly strategy like taking all your hitters before selecting a pitcher is like believing in the tooth fairy.

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:09 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Top Dawg:

maybe this draft looks good to those who know more than I do.

pete - both teams look bad on paper. trying a silly strategy like taking all your hitters before selecting a pitcher is like believing in the tooth fairy. [/QUOTE]There is no tooth fairy???

I guess I will have to continue believing in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:14 am

Originally posted by billywaz:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Top Dawg:

maybe this draft looks good to those who know more than I do.

pete - both teams look bad on paper. trying a silly strategy like taking all your hitters before selecting a pitcher is like believing in the tooth fairy. [/QUOTE]There is no tooth fairy???

I guess I will have to continue believing in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus!

[/QUOTE]I thought u believe in the KCH

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:15 am

Originally posted by billywaz:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Top Dawg:

maybe this draft looks good to those who know more than I do.

pete - both teams look bad on paper. trying a silly strategy like taking all your hitters before selecting a pitcher is like believing in the tooth fairy. [/QUOTE]There is no tooth fairy???

I guess I will have to continue believing in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus!

[/QUOTE]don't forget about the Holiday Armadillo:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=83u9HOvHxwQ&feature=related

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:36 am

Thanks for all the comments. You guys always let me know I'm doing the right thing by thinking differently. Why in the hell would any person want a bunch of people agreeing with their selections? The teams who get "props" after the draft usually finish lower in the standings than the teams like mine....the "horrible" teams.

I can't wait for everyone to belittle my next satellite team....the one formed via the pitching route.....just trying to help the masses realize they can win these leagues any way they want.

Wait until you see my main even team

.

BTW, CRAZY, my pitching staff is going to outperform yours by at least 10-15 pts.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:54 am

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

Thanks for all the comments. You guys always let me know I'm doing the right thing by thinking differently. Why in the hell would any person want a bunch of people agreeing with their selections? The teams who get "props" after the draft usually finish lower in the standings than the teams like mine....the "horrible" teams.

I can't wait for everyone to belittle my next satellite team....the one formed via the pitching route.....just trying to help the masses realize they can win these leagues any way they want.

Wait until you see my main even team

.

BTW, CRAZY, my pitching staff is going to outperform yours by at least 10-15 pts. I have said it many times and it gets rarely echoed. If the majority of people think my team is the greatest leaving the draft, then I have not done a good job drafting. It would mean I was entirely too safe and that I think like most everybody else, which is a recipe for disaster.

I am here to say, if you want to separate yourself from everybody (in fantasy baseball and more to the point in the standings) then you MUST think differently from the masses.

GLY - If you seriously think you'll beat me by 10-15 points in pitching, then put you're money where you're mouth is. Forget the 10-15 point cushion. Straight up. Whomever has more pitching points by the end of the season, wins a free entry into a Winner-Take-All satellite next year worth $125.

If you think so highly of your pitching compared to mine then you should win handily. If not, then you were simply blowing smoke.

[ February 22, 2008, 01:56 PM: Message edited by: Crazy Like a Fox ]

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:07 am

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

quote:Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

Thanks for all the comments. You guys always let me know I'm doing the right thing by thinking differently. Why in the hell would any person want a bunch of people agreeing with their selections? The teams who get "props" after the draft usually finish lower in the standings than the teams like mine....the "horrible" teams.

I can't wait for everyone to belittle my next satellite team....the one formed via the pitching route.....just trying to help the masses realize they can win these leagues any way they want.

Wait until you see my main even team

.

BTW, CRAZY, my pitching staff is going to outperform yours by at least 10-15 pts. I have said it many times and it gets rarely echoed. If the majority of people think my team is the greatest leaving the draft, then I have not done a good job drafting. It would mean I was entirely too safe and I that think like most everybody else.

I am here to say, if you want to separate yourself from everybody (in fantasy baseball and more to the point in the standings) then you MUST think differently from the masses.

GLY - If you seriously think you'll beat me by 10-15 points in pitching, then put you're money where you're mouth is. Forget the 10-15 point cushion. Straight up. Whomever has more pitching points by the end of the season, wins a free entry into a Winner-Take-All satellite next year worth $125.

If you think so highly of your pitching compared to mine then you should win handily. If not, then you were simply blowing smoke. [/QUOTE]Oh I got to get in on this one- how bout if you beat Crazy's pitching staff in that league. I will make a 5000 dollar donation to your church or any charity associated with your church by the end of the year. If Crazy wins you pay for or use nfbc credits for half of a main event entry for him in 2008.

Hard to tell tone on these boards- you both are a lot of fun lets keep it fun and light hearted. I see it as no loser- money ends up in a good place or Crazy gets what he needs to help him join the main event. If for some reason Crazy gets in on his own you take care of his hotel costs in Vegas.

I am just tossing out ideas here and not trying to put anyone on the spot. No big deal if you all are not comfortable doing it or want to tweak it. I have 2 conditions 1) I do not have to make the contribution until mid December 2) We keep it fun and light hearted. How about we keep any "negotiations or ideas" to PM's. The crazy one has to put something on the line too.

rockitsauce · Post by **rockitsauce** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:14 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Top Dawg:

maybe this draft looks good to those who know more than I do.

pete - both teams look bad on paper. trying a silly strategy like taking all your hitters before selecting a pitcher is like believing in the tooth fairy. [/QUOTE]tooth fairy, god... same difference.

by the way thanks to Dub for checking me on this thread, he's right I didn't understand the "dynamics". Good Luck Crazy!

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:28 pm

Just so I get this "crew" right...

rocketsauce, Dub, and Crazy are buds.

(If I'm wrong...blame tequila.)

~Lance

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:44 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Top Dawg:

maybe this draft looks good to those who know more than I do.

pete - both teams look bad on paper. trying a silly strategy like taking all your hitters before selecting a pitcher is like believing in the tooth fairy. [/QUOTE]I'm curious Gekko. Where do you see me finishing with such a "bad" draft?

Bottom 5?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:03 am

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Top Dawg:

maybe this draft looks good to those who know more than I do.

pete - both teams look bad on paper. trying a silly strategy like taking all your hitters before selecting a pitcher is like believing in the tooth fairy. [/QUOTE]I'm curious Gekko. Where do you see me finishing with such a "bad" draft?

Bottom 5? [/QUOTE]not in the money. sorry.