Can this work?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:46 am

I don't plan on doing any satellite leagues prior to the NFBC main event draft. mistake, good strategy, or shouldn't matter? what do you guys think?

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:01 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

I don't plan on doing any satellite leagues prior to the NFBC main event draft. mistake, good strategy, or shouldn't matter? what do you guys think? Mistake

Top Dawg · Post by **Top Dawg** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:01 am

For anyone like you, who has had success in the main event, it should be no different. For newbies it is almost a necessity. Until you have done 30 rounds of real drafting in a 15 team league you have no idea what it is like.

I like the "bonus" of getting NFBC satellite ADP updated twice before the main event for satellite teams. I see this as a positive. Keep in mind, you can draft a far less "balanced" team in a satellite with succes than you can if you are chasing $100K.

Pete

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:10 am

I would also say mistake, it least one more just to stay sharp and how to adjust to a difficult draft.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:11 am

I am sure that you have more than one drafting strategy ready to be deployed at the Main. Satelites are an excellent oppurtunity to try out different theories as well as gauging what others will do in a competitive setting.

However, (sorry Geoff) I think that overdrafting at MDC with nothing on the line and not a full allotment of drafters will give newbies and vets alike a false sense of security when they walk into the Main.

Do I win a Forecaster?

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:11 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

I don't plan on doing any satellite leagues prior to the NFBC main event draft. mistake, good strategy, or shouldn't matter? what do you guys think? You'll have the mock results which will be helpful. You know the sat and main are two different animals. However the "feel" you get for available talent (excess/deficit) as the draft enters the middle rounds can only be gleaned from a live draft with $ on the line.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:37 am

Last night I drafted from a spot I really didn't want and learned some things that are gonna be valuable once the main event rolls around. (Thanks for the crappy slot, Tom.

) Each draft season is different, and having one real draft where the unexpected happens prepares you.

The question you should ask GG, "If you're the general, do you send in your battle-tested marines or the guys that have been playing war games on their wii?" Choose wisely or regret it.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:46 am

the saelite drafts are very similiar to ny and las vegas drafts- once you get beyond $125. you seem to have 5-7 good players, 5 or so poor and a few average. the 2 big differences are 1) the auto rankings- and i know people look at them, which includes auto draft. 2) the time you have. you have way more time in the main. bottom line- they have zero value in my opinion. the reason i say ny and vegas is- i think the % of new players is higher there and the % of players having "fun" increases in vegas. more good players- but more bad/ new players. you do a draft and player x gets taken early. all you "learned' is that player liked him. if everyone passes- you learn more- but then you could be in a draft in the main where 1 player likes that player and takes him early. what are you learning? and gordon- you know all this.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:51 am

bad anology kj- the main is the war. gordon has been there. he is a vet. do the satelites if you are new. if a vet- you don't need it. and kj- what you "learned" in you draft- is what 14 other owners think and on 2-26 to boot. hook is pretty good. in the mag his 1st 3 pitchers were kazmir, gallardo, escobar. if they hold that same draft tomorrow with the same people with the same spots- it would be a totally differnt pitching draft. totally

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:03 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

bad anology kj- the main is the war. gordon has been there. he is a vet. do the satelites if you are new. if a vet- you don't need it. and kj- what you "learned" in you draft- is what 14 other owners think and on 2-26 to boot. hook is pretty good. in the mag his 1st 3 pitchers were kazmir, gallardo, escobar. if they hold that same draft tomorrow with the same people with the same spots- it would be a totally differnt pitching draft. totally HH, the draft pool is different every year, such that having done last year's main has very little relevance in many respects on draft day. I know what you're saying about one guy being able to throw off the whole draft in a satellite, I dealt with that guy last night

... but, it reveals some things beyond just whether player X or Y is available here or there.

... but if you want to persuade GG otherwise, go ahead, that will be one less competitor I have to worry about this year.

[ February 27, 2008, 12:06 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

Nutty Scrats · Post by **Nutty Scrats** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:35 am

I think the way the satellite drafts helped me is to get use to the pace of the drafts and the NFBC formats. Grant it the pace is 1 1/2 minutes for your pick versus 1 minute at the main event but I think it helped me dealing with the time restraints. You can also get use to the time restraints by mock drafting at MDC.

That being said there is nothing like drafting live at the main event because 1 minute sure can go by quickly. If one didn't want to do a satellite draft I think I would reccomend mock drafting at MDC at least to get the feel of things becaue walking into the main event not having an idea on time restraints could be overwhelming. Just a thought.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:40 am

kj , actually 2. i won't be doing any either. although you probably did not have to worry about me anyway. what happens is- on february 1 player X is a steal in round 11. as the saelites start occuring- player X keeps getting moved up. the good players on draft day can sense where the value lies. i think the players that "love" a player so much they will move them up 3 rounds AFTER they have already be moved up 3 rounds- are gonna have to get lucky. i see very few people willing to admit they got lucky. conversly- to wait too long on a player you liked because he went way late in the mocks is a mistake. it only takes one player toi like that guy. to be clear- 1st part is players moving from steal in round 11 to past value in round 5. second part is player being taken in round 19 in satelites- i would take in 18 or 17. btw- i took rollins at pick 12 last year. i moved him up 7 spots. people were asking why not wait. what- for 7 picks? on a guy i loved? PLUS i had the next 6 very, very close. no brainer. the great childs said- play with the players you love- if the value is close. in football i love tony gonzalez- i win with him, i lose with him. just my opinion.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:20 am

Mark, you've said before you'll leave no stone unturned in your quest to become the first dual Champ. This is a stone.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:23 am

hh, I agree with your observations, but I believe satellites prepare one for executing a draft plan regardless of player ADP moves ... so not doing them then would be lacking in preparation. For the conspiracist, though, the value of doing them is probably outweighed by the secrecy of non doing them.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:37 am

kj-the last post- i agree 100%.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:38 am

gg- kj and doughboys say do 'em. i say no. if i were you i would sign up for the next 10 today!

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:46 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

I don't plan on doing any satellite leagues prior to the NFBC main event draft. mistake, good strategy, or shouldn't matter? what do you guys think? i'm new to nfbc, i feel the only reason an experienced NFBCer would want to do a Sat league or two would be to just get a feel for value of the players. but on the other hand, an experienced NFBCer shouldn't need this info, beacause he probably has his own values and doesn't want or need anynody else's input.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:53 am

Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

I don't plan on doing any satellite leagues prior to the NFBC main event draft. mistake, good strategy, or shouldn't matter? what do you guys think? i'm new to nfbc, i feel the only reason an experienced NFBCer would want to do a Sat league or two would be to just get a feel for value of the players. but on the other hand, an experienced NFBCer shouldn't need this info, beacause he probably has his own values and doesn't want or need anynody else's input. [/QUOTE]Isolation is not the road to take here. If you love a player in the 8th but the world is taking him in the 7th... you HAVE to know that. Sats and ADP's can tell you that.

Just don't marry your SAT. That'll get you in trouble. Hit the orgy but don't commit instead let the sites and sounds help you create your own dream gal

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:57 am

totally agree Q, but access to Sat results COULD be enough, not necessarily participation.

[ February 27, 2008, 01:58 PM: Message edited by: cleaver beavers ]

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:09 am

Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

totally agree Q, but access to Sat results COULD be enough, not necessarily participation. eh. It's not ALL it could be though. Don't you want to dance just a little ? Smell the hair ? Feel the curves ?

Can't get that just by lookin'

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:12 am

but of course i do Q, that's exactly why i'm doing SAT's this year, then "THE SHOW".

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:03 am

I'm going to look at it from a different angle....with no regards to the main. If you are as good as you claim to be, why would you not want to join a few sats to prove it and win some dinero along the way??

You and I both know it takes WAAAY more skill to win in baseball than in football, yet you have done a few NFFC sats each season....why would NFBC sats be any different?? If secrecy is wanted, you know you can join under a different name.

I'm guessing Lou has the hookup for you regarding the results of all the sats!

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:57 am

My views on satellites for this season (for helping me with some weaknesses)...

a) Any Sat. draft result from more than a week before the main is fairly useless...in fact...viewing the boards the Friday before the Main allows you to see how others did from your draft spot, and have much more value IMO.

b) Drafting before Spring Training gives you a chance to get more "sleepers" before they become top 10 rounders after everyone sees their spot in the order or clear cut playing time.

c) I resisted doing any this season simply to have 100% surprise advantage during the Main. Nobody will know who I really like, because nobody will have seen a money draft from me.

d) Too much variance of opinion on players to really justify reliance on the results of a Sat. Unless you did one with someone in your Main league...you never know who's gonna reach for whom.

e) I do not want to "fall in love" with players I draft on Feb 26th, and follow them closer than other potential draft picks during Spring Training...and lose that neutral attitude toward all players needed on draft day.

f) I don't want to spend 5 times the effort each week on waivers for five leagues...but rather fives times the effort for the ONE league that matters most.

g) The progressive "leaking" of Sat. results actually does damage to your "sleepers" and has a panic/snowball effect as each draft may show a guy being selected a bit higher, and thus puts the pressure on to reach a bit further...whereas this would NOT be the case if all results were kept secret/unknown. (This can also be taken advantage of)

At least that's what I'm trying this season...if it fails...I'll scrap it.

~Lance

[ February 27, 2008, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

Sheep · Post by **Sheep** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:11 am

Nobody knows if "John Doe" is really you. I certainly think that top 10 (or 50) known players need to be careful not to give too much away, but for the rest of us "sheep" the Sat's are great practice. However, that being said: I don't think all 15 teams in the Sat's bring their "A Game". What you see on 2/27 isn't what you get on 3/15.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:12 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I am sure that you have more than one drafting strategy ready to be deployed at the Main. Satelites are an excellent oppurtunity to try out different theories as well as gauging what others will do in a competitive setting.

i always operate as though drafts (even satellites) are a time to execute your plan, not try out different theories? am i wrong?