Can this work?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:16 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

... but if you want to persuade GG otherwise, go ahead, that will be one less competitor I have to worry about this year.

if i don't do a satellite before the main, what are the chances that you beat me overall?

Sheep · Post by **Sheep** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:16 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I am sure that you have more than one drafting strategy ready to be deployed at the Main. Satelites are an excellent oppurtunity to try out different theories as well as gauging what others will do in a competitive setting.

i always operate as though drafts (even satellites) are a time to execute your plan, not try out different theories? am i wrong? [/QUOTE]Plans change. Pick #1 is certainly harder to stick with the "Santana Plan" then the #10.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:17 am

Originally posted by Nutty Scrat:

That being said there is nothing like drafting live at the main event because 1 minute sure can go by quickly. If one didn't want to do a satellite draft I think I would reccomend mock drafting at MDC at least to get the feel of things becaue walking into the main event not having an idea on time restraints could be overwhelming. Just a thought. this is a good point. well done ed!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:19 am

Originally posted by Sheep:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I am sure that you have more than one drafting strategy ready to be deployed at the Main. Satelites are an excellent oppurtunity to try out different theories as well as gauging what others will do in a competitive setting.

i always operate as though drafts (even satellites) are a time to execute your plan, not try out different theories? am i wrong? [/QUOTE]Plans change. Pick #1 is certainly harder to stick with the "Santana Plan" then the #10. [/QUOTE]if my first KDS preference is #7 or #8, i think santana will be there 98% of the time. i will have my gameplan already drawn out with santana as my anchor.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:21 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Mark, you've said before you'll leave no stone unturned in your quest to become the first dual Champ. This is a stone. dan - how many satellites are you in (pre-main event)?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:22 am

Originally posted by cleaver beavers:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

I don't plan on doing any satellite leagues prior to the NFBC main event draft. mistake, good strategy, or shouldn't matter? what do you guys think? i'm new to nfbc, i feel the only reason an experienced NFBCer would want to do a Sat league or two would be to just get a feel for value of the players. but on the other hand, an experienced NFBCer shouldn't need this info, beacause he probably has his own values and doesn't want or need anynody else's input. [/QUOTE]wise words for being a newbie.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:25 am

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

I'm going to look at it from a different angle....with no regards to the main. If you are as good as you claim to be, why would you not want to join a few sats to prove it and win some dinero along the way??

You and I both know it takes WAAAY more skill to win in baseball than in football, yet you have done a few NFFC sats each season....why would NFBC sats be any different?? If secrecy is wanted, you know you can join under a different name.

I'm guessing Lou has the hookup for you regarding the results of all the sats!

currenly it takes too much of my Sunday time to manage more than 2 or 3 teams. if the FAAB interface improves, my leagues will go up. that's a promise.

and there's no need for a lou moving forward. Greg is supplying all satellite participants wih the ADP's (FREE OF CHARGE). this effectively puts an end to the Lou business plan regarding selling other people's satellite results.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:26 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

c) I resisted doing any this season simply to have 100% surprise advantage during the Main. Nobody will know who I really like, because nobody will have seen a money draft from me.

lance - do u think people would steal your pics?

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:31 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

c) I resisted doing any this season simply to have 100% surprise advantage during the Main. Nobody will know who I really like, because nobody will have seen a money draft from me.

lance - do u think people would steal your pics? [/QUOTE]You never know, Mark.

If you are in a league with me...and you know I want ________ in the first round due to a Sat...and YOU wanted that guy...you may alter your KDS once you find out I'm in your league.

You may also see I reached for a guy you really like, and now have the advantage of drafting that guy right before I would.

I'm a new man this year, GG...a threat.

~Lance

Sheep · Post by **Sheep** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:34 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Sheep:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I am sure that you have more than one drafting strategy ready to be deployed at the Main. Satelites are an excellent oppurtunity to try out different theories as well as gauging what others will do in a competitive setting.

i always operate as though drafts (even satellites) are a time to execute your plan, not try out different theories? am i wrong? [/QUOTE]Plans change. Pick #1 is certainly harder to stick with the "Santana Plan" then the #10. [/QUOTE]if my first KDS preference is #7 or #8, i think santana will be there 98% of the time. i will have my gameplan already drawn out with santana as my anchor. [/QUOTE]I am sure we will get all the facts on KDS - so far I am 1 for 3 this year in the top half.

Saving my #1 choice for the Main?

Even if I was not thinking about Santana as a first rounder, I better have a game plan if he slips to me in the second. That is why we need to be ready with different plans, every draft is different. How many times did A-rod slip to the 7th pick last year? Picking 7th with a "Santana plan" you might need to change your game plan.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:54 am

Yo Mark or Dan,

Could I get a short comment on each of the a) thru g) I listed...I'm curious if others feel strongly one way or another on these points.

If you have the time.

~Lance

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:56 am

i am still waiting for the waiver wire plan- the one where you pick up pence braun pena and carmona then add them to the 9 good picks you and the blind squirrel can make- and win it all.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:59 am

hey sports bettin guy- my buddy went to vegas for superbowl. at belogio he bet 15k on giants 5k on $ line @ 3.25 to 1. 31k profit. start working on the kentucky derby so i can bet your picks

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:11 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

hey sports bettin guy- my buddy went to vegas for superbowl. at belogio he bet 15k on giants 5k on $ line @ 3.25 to 1. 31k profit. start working on the kentucky derby so i can bet your picks That is excellent!

I don't know horses, and don't want to know.

It's like the "crack" or "craps table" of sportsbetting.

With all the tracks online...you can bet every freaking 5 min. ...and the races only last a minute or so...too fast for me.

I'll be brushing up on the NCAA games before going to Vegas...or NBA or NHL.

GREAT card for this Saturdays UFC 82. (Dan Henderson and Heath Herring at +135 each)...hope one wins for a profit...and 2 wins = good money!

~Lance

~Lance

Da bears · Post by **Da bears** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:14 am

My main event team is always my main focus during the season whether it be the NFFC and now being a rookie in the NFBC.

But for me, the potential to rack up some money in the satellite leagues on the side is nice and thats the main reason I play in them.

Like others have said you can't beat the payouts from the satellites. Nothing like picking up a few main event entries along the way or some extra cash.

[ February 27, 2008, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: Da bears ]

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:18 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I am sure that you have more than one drafting strategy ready to be deployed at the Main. Satelites are an excellent oppurtunity to try out different theories as well as gauging what others will do in a competitive setting.

i always operate as though drafts (even satellites) are a time to execute your plan, not try out different theories? am i wrong? [/QUOTE]Yes.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:22 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Mark, you've said before you'll leave no stone unturned in your quest to become the first dual Champ. This is a stone. dan - how many satellites are you in (pre-main event)? [/QUOTE]Two.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:31 am

doughboys you talk too much

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:06 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

c) I resisted doing any this season simply to have 100% surprise advantage during the Main. Nobody will know who I really like, because nobody will have seen a money draft from me.

lance - do u think people would steal your pics? [/QUOTE]He stole Piniero in RD 10 last year on me

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:23 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

My views on satellites for this season (for helping me with some weaknesses)...

a) Any Sat. draft result from more than a week before the main is fairly useless...in fact...viewing the boards the Friday before the Main allows you to see how others did from your draft spot, and have much more value IMO.

I don't agree. All information is good information, it's how much weight and creedence that you put into each bit (byte) of information.

b) Drafting before Spring Training gives you a chance to get more "sleepers" before they become top 10 rounders after everyone sees their spot in the order or clear cut playing time.

On the other hand what if your SLEEPER gets hurt during spring training, it saves you a pick. Also I can't begin to tell you how much spring training is overrated. By the time the draft occurs the veterans are just getting into the flow and whatever "phenom" that breaks out has done it against mostly minor leaguers.

c) I resisted doing any this season simply to have 100% surprise advantage during the Main. Nobody will know who I really like, because nobody will have seen a money draft from me.

Most everybody has their own plan. You're not holding back a surprise attack, you're depriving yourself of a good time and good gauge of what may happen during the Main.

d) Too much variance of opinion on players to really justify reliance on the results of a Sat. Unless you did one with someone in your Main league...you never know who's gonna reach for whom.

For that matter, EVERY draft is different.

e) I do not want to "fall in love" with players I draft on Feb 26th, and follow them closer than other potential draft picks during Spring Training...and lose that neutral attitude toward all players needed on draft day.

I've heard of this happening, never experienced it. Five NFBC leagues for me last year, one common player and that was Markakis, I reached for him in every draft. If you are that changed player this shouldn't be happening to you.

f) I don't want to spend 5 times the effort each week on waivers for five leagues...but rather fives times the effort for the ONE league that matters most.

There is only so much you can do.

Hopefully Greg gets the FAAB and STATS problem changed. Did you really feel overtaxed last year with more than one team?

g) The progressive "leaking" of Sat. results actually does damage to your "sleepers" and has a panic/snowball effect as each draft may show a guy being selected a bit higher, and thus puts the pressure on to reach a bit further...whereas this would NOT be the case if all results were kept secret/unknown. (This can also be taken advantage of)

When you have that one minute to decide who you're taking, are you going to ask yourself who Shawn would take and what player did he take in his satelite during this round? That was HIS draft and its different than the one you're in. The information going through your mind should be who will help this team most at this point in time. Satelite info will be a blip during that one minute of time. It'll be your team for the next 180 days, filter out the noise and make the best selection.

At least that's what I'm trying this season...if it fails...I'll scrap it.

Good luck, Lance. Hope I haven't sounded negative. Think of me as the devil on one shoulder, maybe someone else can be the angel on the other.

~Lance

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:24 pm

Originally posted by headhunters:

doughboys you talk too much

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:42 pm

a) Any Sat. draft result from more than a week before the main is fairly useless...in fact...viewing the boards the Friday before the Main allows you to see how others did from your draft spot, and have much more value IMO.

i don't buy that. only one week???

b) Drafting before Spring Training gives you a chance to get more "sleepers" before they become top 10 rounders after everyone sees their spot in the order or clear cut playing time.

hogwash.

c) I resisted doing any this season simply to have 100% surprise advantage during the Main. Nobody will know who I really like, because nobody will have seen a money draft from me.

no offense - but very few people will be looking AND altering their plans based on who you took

d) Too much variance of opinion on players to really justify reliance on the results of a Sat. Unless you did one with someone in your Main league...you never know who's gonna reach for whom.

hoggywash again.

e) I do not want to "fall in love" with players I draft on Feb 26th, and follow them closer than other potential draft picks during Spring Training...and lose that neutral attitude toward all players needed on draft day.

it sounds like you can't control yourself

f) I don't want to spend 5 times the effort each week on waivers for five leagues...but rather fives times the effort for the ONE league that matters most.

i agree, it can be a time "blackhole" on sundays

g) The progressive "leaking" of Sat. results actually does damage to your "sleepers" and has a panic/snowball effect as each draft may show a guy being selected a bit higher, and thus puts the pressure on to reach a bit further...whereas this would NOT be the case if all results were kept secret/unknown. (This can also be taken advantage of)

don't buy this either.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:47 pm

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

I am sure that you have more than one drafting strategy ready to be deployed at the Main. Satelites are an excellent oppurtunity to try out different theories as well as gauging what others will do in a competitive setting.

i always operate as though drafts (even satellites) are a time to execute your plan, not try out different theories? am i wrong? [/QUOTE]Yes. [/QUOTE]does that mean you have more or less respect for me if i can win my league without doing a satellite league

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:48 pm

Thanks Guys!

Nope...I'm out to learn. All feedback from those I respect is good.

Noted!

~Lance

[ February 27, 2008, 06:49 PM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:54 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I'm a new man this year, GG...a threat.

~Lance good to hear. i think you've placed a fair amount of pressure on yourself with this "new man" talk. i hope it doesn't drive you to drink. oh...wait a minute.