Miguel Cabrera

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:47 am

Jim Leyland stated that Sheffield would hit third with Cabrera hitting in the five hole after Ordonez. Tough decision for Leyland with a wealth of offensive talent.

My question's are- Does this knock Cabrera down a peg or two? What other adjustments, if any, need to be made with this information?

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:07 am

would this raise maggs stock some? could he bat .400 this year?

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:19 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Jim Leyland stated that Sheffield would hit third with Cabrera hitting in the five hole after Ordonez. Tough decision for Leyland with a wealth of offensive talent.

My question's are- Does this knock Cabrera down a peg or two? What other adjustments, if any, need to be made with this information? The lost ABs and Runs would mean $3 off his value in a mixed auction if you assume he hits there all year. Knocks him down 5 slots in the first round on my numbers.

Looks like he's penalizing the new guys, Miggy and Renteria. At least he's got his catcher in the right spot this year. The better lineup would be:

Granderson

Renteria

Cabrera

Sheff

Ordonez

Guillen

Polanco

Jones

Rodriguez

[ February 27, 2008, 02:33 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:39 am

Mine would be:

Vs Righty Vs Lefty

1.Granderson 1.Renteria

2.Renteria 2.Polanco

3.Ordonez 3.Ordonez

4.Cabrera 4.Cabrera

5.Guillen 5.Sheffield

6.Sheffield 6.Guillen

7.Polanco 7.Thames

8.Jones 8.Ivan

9.Ivan 9.Granderson

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:58 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Mine would be:

Vs Righty Vs Lefty

1.Granderson 1.Renteria

2.Renteria 2.Polanco

3.Ordonez 3.Ordonez

4.Cabrera 4.Cabrera

5.Guillen 5.Sheffield

6.Sheffield 6.Guillen

7.Polanco 7.Thames

8.Jones 8.Ivan

9.Ivan 9.Granderson Hadnt looked at the splits so I'll take your word on the lefties, but Sheff takes a lot of walks so I'd like seeing a big bat behind him.

Joe Sambito · Post by **Joe Sambito** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:03 am

Knocks him down 5 slots in the first round on my numbers.

5 slots, that seems like alot to me! Maybe 1 on my board, but I think I'll leave him where he is.

I wonder if this changes Tom's MVP prediction?

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:10 am

Gary Sheffield? Didn't his grandfather use to play MLB? Oh, it IS the grandfather!

I still see Cabrera getting most of his 2008 AB from the 3 hole. Sheffield is a DL trip waiting to happen.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:16 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Gary Sheffield? Didn't his grandfather use to play MLB? Oh, it IS the grandfather!

I still see Cabrera getting most of his 2008 AB from the 3 hole. Sheffield is a DL trip waiting to happen. I think grandfather Sheff and M' Alou might have a couple of the quickest old-guy bats of all-time.

Sheep · Post by **Sheep** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:59 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Jim Leyland stated that Sheffield would hit third with Cabrera hitting in the five hole after Ordonez. Tough decision for Leyland with a wealth of offensive talent.

My question's are- Does this knock Cabrera down a peg or two? What other adjustments, if any, need to be made with this information? The lost ABs and Runs would mean $3 off his value in a mixed auction if you assume he hits there all year. Knocks him down 5 slots in the first round on my numbers.

Looks like he's penalizing the new guys, Miggy and Renteria. At least he's got his catcher in the right spot this year. The better lineup would be:

Granderson

Renteria

Cabrera

Sheff

Ordonez

Guillen

Polanco

Jones

Rodriguez [/QUOTE]Leyland has stated Pudge will bat eighth. Thinking like his buddy La Russa?

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:07 am

You're right Sheep, didn't notice he'd changed his mind on Pudge. So I take it back, he doesn't have him in the right spot.

That makes it 3 for 3 for the new guys hitting lower than they should; that may be the right thing to say during Spring Training though, show some respect for the incumbents.

RobG · Post by **RobG** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:08 pm

I don't know why you would want to move Polanco out of the 2 hole? The guy raked all year and when Sheffield was healthy last May-July, the offense was unstoppable. If Jones can hit righties and Edgar can set the table for the bottom of the lineup, look out.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:14 pm

Originally posted by RobG:

I don't know why you would want to move Polanco out of the 2 hole? The guy raked all year and when Sheffield was healthy last May-July, the offense was unstoppable. If Jones can hit righties and Edgar can set the table for the bottom of the lineup, look out. Renteria has a comparable BA, walks twice as much and gets more extra base hits. Let Polanco slap away at the ball down in the order, Renteria is too good to be hitting 7th, even on this team.

[ February 27, 2008, 11:14 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

rkulaski · Post by **rkulaski** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:31 pm

OBP ('07 only): Polanco .380, Renteria .389

OBS: Polanco .838, Renteria .859

edge for the #2 spot based on last yr: Renteria

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:30 pm

Originally posted by Hitless:

OBP ('07 only): Polanco .380, Renteria .389

OBS: Polanco .838, Renteria .859

edge for the #2 spot based on last yr: Renteria Total bases per plate appearance; Renteria has averaged 30 pts higher than PlacPo over the last 5 yrs.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:09 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Gary Sheffield? Didn't his grandfather use to play MLB? Oh, it IS the grandfather!

I still see Cabrera getting most of his 2008 AB from the 3 hole. Sheffield is a DL trip waiting to happen. I think grandfather Sheff and M' Alou might have a couple of the quickest old-guy bats of all-time. [/QUOTE]You are right of course. I guess I am showing my bias against current MLB players who have, by and large, seen the same number of Presidents I have.

However, if I had to bet on which of two pure hitters (which I put Cabrera and Sheff in that class) would get the most of the key 3-Hole at-bats and one was in his prime (pre-prime?) and the other MUCH older/injury prone, all other things being equal, guess which one I would choose? Cabrera has averaged right at 600 AB the last four years, Sheff hasn't hit 500 AB the last two and has NEVER had 600 AB.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:40 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Gary Sheffield? Didn't his grandfather use to play MLB? Oh, it IS the grandfather!

I still see Cabrera getting most of his 2008 AB from the 3 hole. Sheffield is a DL trip waiting to happen. I think grandfather Sheff and M' Alou might have a couple of the quickest old-guy bats of all-time. [/QUOTE]You are right of course. I guess I am showing my bias against current MLB players who have, by and large, seen the same number of Presidents I have.

However, if I had to bet on which of two pure hitters (which I put Cabrera and Sheff in that class) would get the most of the key 3-Hole at-bats and one was in his prime (pre-prime?) and the other MUCH older/injury prone, all other things being equal, guess which one I would choose? Cabrera has averaged right at 600 AB the last four years, Sheff hasn't hit 500 AB the last two and has NEVER had 600 AB. [/QUOTE]Is that a fair comparison though? Just using at bats? Take away Sheffield's 2006 season and I would bet that the two are comparable in plate appearances. I'm sure Cabrera still has a few more with Sheffield's aches and pains, but comparable.

Does Sheffield get hurt this year while mostly dh'ing? In case Sheffield were to get hurt, why wouldn't Ordonez move into the third spot? Inquiring minds want to know!

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:37 am

the really big question is- will leyland be able to smoke in the dugout? in chicago it is illegal- so we plan on having him arrested and carted away to manage that prison team with bonds, clemens,rose, tejada, spiezio and the gang.

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:52 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

the really big question is- will leyland be able to smoke in the dugout? in chicago it is illegal- so we plan on having him arrested and carted away to manage that prison team with bonds, clemens,rose, tejada, spiezio and the gang. LOL. Good one.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:33 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

Gary Sheffield? Didn't his grandfather use to play MLB? Oh, it IS the grandfather!

I still see Cabrera getting most of his 2008 AB from the 3 hole. Sheffield is a DL trip waiting to happen. I think grandfather Sheff and M' Alou might have a couple of the quickest old-guy bats of all-time. [/QUOTE]You are right of course. I guess I am showing my bias against current MLB players who have, by and large, seen the same number of Presidents I have.

However, if I had to bet on which of two pure hitters (which I put Cabrera and Sheff in that class) would get the most of the key 3-Hole at-bats and one was in his prime (pre-prime?) and the other MUCH older/injury prone, all other things being equal, guess which one I would choose? Cabrera has averaged right at 600 AB the last four years, Sheff hasn't hit 500 AB the last two and has NEVER had 600 AB. [/QUOTE]Is that a fair comparison though? Just using at bats? Take away Sheffield's 2006 season and I would bet that the two are comparable in plate appearances. I'm sure Cabrera still has a few more with Sheffield's aches and pains, but comparable.

Does Sheffield get hurt this year while mostly dh'ing? In case Sheffield were to get hurt, why wouldn't Ordonez move into the third spot? Inquiring minds want to know!

[/QUOTE]Nice position for Detroit to be in. Who do I use today...Ordonez, Sheffield or Cabrera?

Yes. I still think Cabrera. Sheffield and Cabrera are hitters on a plain Ordonez is not (IMHO) and still Cabrera is my choice based on what I said before.

Still, it is an embarrassment of riches for Detroit.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:59 am

That lineup can change throughout the season. I don't think the Opening Day lineup is something that is set in stone. Hell, Cabrera might have 150 rbi's out of that spot, we don't know. I don't think this information should knock him down even one spot in the 1st round. This guy is going to be breathing down A-rod's neck this year. Watch.

My lineup of choice would be:

1. Curtis Granderson

2. Placido Polanco

3. Magglio Ordonez

4. Miguel Cabrera

5. Gary Sheffield

6. Carlos Guillen

7. Edgar Renteria

8. Ivan Rodriguez

9. Jacque Jones

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:01 am

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

Hell, Cabrera might have 150 rbi's out of that spot, we don't know. I don't think this information should knock him down even one spot in the 1st round. This guy is going to be breathing down A-rod's neck this year. Watch.

Not sure I disagree, what I do disagree with is taking Alfonso Soriano over him when given the opportunity.

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:10 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

quote:Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

Hell, Cabrera might have 150 rbi's out of that spot, we don't know. I don't think this information should knock him down even one spot in the 1st round. This guy is going to be breathing down A-rod's neck this year. Watch.

Not sure I disagree, what I do disagree with is taking Alfonso Soriano over him when given the opportunity. [/QUOTE]You could be right Chest. I was wrestling with that pick when I saw Cabrera was still available. I think the safer pick would be to go with Cabrera (and I am kind of regretting that I didn't take him). I just feel strongly about Soriano this year and I think he goes for 45 homers with 35+ steals. Call it a hunch, call it Crazy intuition. Now, knowing that Soriano had to rest his quad during the offseason and he "still doesn't know if he can run" I probably should have taken Cabrera based on risk. All I can say is I had a plan to take Soriano, I wanted a power/speed combo to start my draft, and I'll stick with it. If I picked over again, I'd go with Cabrera.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:01 am

they just carted soriano of the field in mesa- he ran into a wall. the cubs are having all of their outfielders practice going to the warning track hard because last year (no lie) soriano was so afraid of the wall at wrigley- he was letting fly ball drop on the warning track. hope he is ok.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:03 am

cabrerra= not arod= no s bases. soriano= not a rod= no b.a. but great picks in the middle of the draft.