Mid First Round Pick

MGBMARTY · Post by **MGBMARTY** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:10 am

Bjoak

Totally agree with you on Utley. He to me is a steal at 8 or up. I have seen him go 12th in some drafts. Batting 3rd in line up with Rollins and Victorino in front plus Howard protecting him. Hitters Park Facing Marlins Nats and an average Brave pitching staff. Miggy is great do not get me wrong Batting 5th Pitchers park not familiar with pitching in AL Think RBIS Miggy wins Average will be a lot closer Runs Homers SB think Utley wins Plus position scarcity OF numbers at 2b how can you go wrong.

Marty

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:35 am

Utley actually went 13th in a satellite I did last week, and of course I was salivating at #14!

"Settled" for Santana.

I agree Utley is a great pick, and honestly between him and Cabrera you can't go wrong. That is why 8 is a pretty nice spot to be in, as you are guaranteed one of those two, OR someone "better" like Rollins or Holliday if they slip.

After 8 it gets pretty dicey IMO, although there are still VERY good players still on the board.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:39 am

Originally posted by duggan:

hi wayne, you are sitting in a great spot in the middle. i am sitting in #2 hate waiting that long between picks. looks like we have our work cut out in orlando 1. quick look turned up two top forty lifetime ranking in the league, could be more. i would take holiday also. Just don't take him at #2 Mike! It would ruin my whole draft.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:45 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

Forgetting positional scarcity for a minute, Utley will outperform Cabrera straight up this year. I expect no one to agree right now, so just wait until September. You really think so? I have Cabrera and Holliday having monster years. Besides BA (which I have one at .330+ and the other at .315+) it is not like they are playing in pretty stacked line-ups as well.

I am very high on Utley, but have Cabrera and Holliday coming in with higher counting stats (except SB for Cabrera and about equal for Holliday) and both Cabrera and Holiday with have higher BA's. To each his own. None of the three would be a mistake.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:04 am

Utley is in a beautiful lineup, that's true...but nothing has improved from last year...so he's fairly predictably great.

Cabrera has gone from a weak lineup with a guy the caliber of Willingham as his "protection", and thus, got the IBB pass 27 times. That will not happen in DET with an Ordonez type hitter protecting him. (Utley only had 1 IBB)

I think Cabrera has more power, and could hit 40HR, and I do not think Utley will hit more than 28.

Either guy is a solid round one pick.

~Lance

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:21 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Utley is in a beautiful lineup, that's true...but nothing has improved from last year...so he's fairly predictably great.

Cabrera has gone from a weak lineup with a guy the caliber of Willingham as his "protection", and thus, got the IBB pass 27 times. That will not happen in DET with an Ordonez type hitter protecting him. (Utley only had 1 IBB)

I think Cabrera has more power, and could hit 40HR, and I do not think Utley will hit more than 28.

Either guy is a solid round one pick.

~Lance I agree Lance, but then you have to factor in "position scarcity".

How many 2B are going to hit 28+ HR's, score 100 runs, get 100 RBI's, and hit for a .300+ avg.?

Answer....ONE

This puts them pretty much in a "dead heat" IMO, and it is pretty much which one you prefer as you can't go wrong with either.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:29 am

anyone know an owner picking at the 8 spot?

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:29 am

Originally posted by billywaz:

quote:Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

Utley is in a beautiful lineup, that's true...but nothing has improved from last year...so he's fairly predictably great.

Cabrera has gone from a weak lineup with a guy the caliber of Willingham as his "protection", and thus, got the IBB pass 27 times. That will not happen in DET with an Ordonez type hitter protecting him. (Utley only had 1 IBB)

I think Cabrera has more power, and could hit 40HR, and I do not think Utley will hit more than 28.

Either guy is a solid round one pick.

~Lance I agree Lance, but then you have to factor in "position scarcity".

How many 2B are going to hit 28+ HR's, score 100 runs, get 100 RBI's, and hit for a .300+ avg.?

Answer....ONE

This puts them pretty much in a "dead heat" IMO, and it is pretty much which one you prefer as you can't go wrong with either. [/QUOTE]Phillips his .288 last year, A repeat of that and 30 SB again along with 30-94 and he's just as valuable as Chase, if not a tad more.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:31 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

anyone know an owner picking at the 8 spot? great spot. Even more so for Rd 2.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:11 am

Yes, Holliday has way more value than either.

Ryan C · Post by **Ryan C** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:28 am

Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

anyone know an owner picking at the 8 spot? great spot. Even more so for Rd 2. [/QUOTE]Assume for a second that both Phillips and Upton go and at 23 you're looking at Peavy, Berkman, Beltran, Vlad and Ichiro. If Peavy is there at 23 would you take him?

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:42 am

Originally posted by Ryan Carey:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

anyone know an owner picking at the 8 spot? great spot. Even more so for Rd 2. [/QUOTE]Assume for a second that both Phillips and Upton go and at 23 you're looking at Peavy, Berkman, Beltran, Vlad and Ichiro. If Peavy is there at 23 would you take him? [/QUOTE]1) Depends on who you took Rd 1.

2) Depends on how good you are at building a staff.

3) Depends on who you expect rd 3.

I'm at pick 25, and will take him if he falls..

kgrady · Post by **kgrady** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:13 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

anyone know an owner picking at the 8 spot? I am picking #8 in NY4. I think I know which way I'm leaning, but you never know when a player will fall through unexpectedly.

Kevin

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:45 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

anyone know an owner picking at the 8 spot? I am picking #8 in Orlando 3

Thunder · Post by **Thunder** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:40 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

anyone know an owner picking at the 8 spot? GG, i had my KDS set at 8,7,6, for one of my Sat's, got 8...the other i had it at 7,6,5 got 5. IMO, 8,7,6,5 are the best spots.

RobG · Post by **RobG** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:16 pm

Originally posted by Plymouth:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

anyone know an owner picking at the 8 spot? I am picking #8 in Orlando 3 [/QUOTE]Plymouth, I guess my pick would be pretty important then.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:40 am

My KDS was 11,12,13,14, got 11 main and 12 Super.