1st Rounders- 2009

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:53 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

I have Kinsler lagging B Phillips in BA, HR and SB rates - with Phillips on the 1st rd bubble, Ian seems unlikely. I see 2/3rd round upside. something's wrong if you don't have him lagging in rbi's. probably a glitch in your system (ala zambrano)

[/QUOTE]Yes, trails in RBI too (by a lot) but that's as much a function of lineup.

No glitches in my system!

[ March 20, 2008, 03:55 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:54 am

Originally posted by GoBabyGo:

What do you mean Hamliton will steal at least 20, he is a 30 hr 20 steal guy ala Holliday.

Cano will be better than Utley this year you know why? because he will bag 20 steals this year watch, see his spring numbers, Girardi will have him running. This is his breakout year. As for Upton, if you loved Chris Young we will love Upton even more watch! IF he runs. He never stole 20 in the minors. He has good wheels, but I don't think he'll run that much, which is why I can't see him becoming a 1st round pick.

Cano is solid, but come on now!! You're making a big assumption that Girardi will turn him loose during the season. And you're making a big assumption that his power increases. Last year was a great season for him and it didn't touch Utley's, who was hurt.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:59 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

John, you are right on about where Kinsler SHOULD be batting in the lineup. Washington's lineups last year look like they had the thoughts of Miss North Carolina at the Miss America pageant.

Kinsler had no less than 60 at bats at four different spots in the lineup last year.

The guy is going to be a fixture as a Ranger, make him a fixture at the one or two spot in the lineup.

Washington's rifts with Teixeira escalated causing Teixeira to not think twice about re-upping with the Rangers. Teixeira or Washington? Hmmm.

When Saltalamacchia came over from the Rangers, he was treated as more of a reserve than the potetial star that Salty could turn out to be.

During the off season Washington stated that Saltalamacchia would hit nine if he made the squad. What? Thataway to build some confidence!

Of course, now that he is having a bad spring, Washington and Ranger management will feel fully justified in sending Salty down. Mismanagement.

Now Washington is starting to flip flop on where to hit Hamilton. From a fantasy point of view, it puts a minus in Salty, Kinsler, and Hamiltons column. These kids will flourish, but it will be despite Washington and not because of him. I'm a little closer than most to this situation...

I agree with all you said. I don't like Wash at all either.

I'll add...

1)Kinlser is batting leadoff all year. They would not pay him $22 mil otherwise. His agent held out for more than a year on this.

2) Tex was gone before Wash had anything to do with it. He wanted money in ARod level, and the players/mgmt did not like his prima donna tude.

3) Agree with Salty stuff.. have no info on that, but I thought he was too high in all drafts because of this.

4) Hamilton should hit 4th... Last week has been crazy... where else is he hitting now?

KJ.... you are probably right 2nd/3rd.... unless he does 30/30 and scores 110+... I have him for 23/28.

GoBabyGo · Post by **GoBabyGo** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:00 am

CANO will bag 20 this year, laugh all you want, plus he will finish top3 in AVG and I bet he wins the battling title. With that said Joe will move him up to # 3 or 5 in the lineup, watch and see. This kid is a young AROD. Got him in the auction league but I love closers so I could not pass on Papelbon in the 4th. I got Esocbar instead later that is not CANO but imho same mold, he will be a Big time player and qualifies at 2b,ss, and 3b gotta love it.

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:17 am

Originally posted by GoBabyGo:

CANO will bag 20 this year, laugh all you want, plus he will finish top3 in AVG and I bet he wins the battling title. With that said Joe will move him up to # 3 or 5 in the lineup, watch and see. This kid is a young AROD. Got him in the auction league but I love closers so I could not pass on Papelbon in the 4th. I got Esocbar instead later that is not CANO but imho same mold, he will be a Big time player and qualifies at 2b,ss, and 3b gotta love it. Cano

age 26 = 19 HR, 4 SB

age 25 = 15 HR, 5 SB

A-Rod

age 26 = 42 HR, 21 SB

age 25 = 42 HRs, 46 SB

Mr Cano, you sir, are no A-Rod!

[ March 20, 2008, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: KJ Duke ]

GoBabyGo · Post by **GoBabyGo** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:20 am

CANO also started MLB later in life than AROD would started at what 17-18 yrs of age? This is his breakout year boys, believe what you will.

CANO will be all the rage!

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:25 am

Originally posted by GoBabyGo:

CANO also started MLB later in life than AROD would started at what 17-18 yrs of age? This is his breakout year boys, believe what you will.

CANO will be all the rage! uh-huh, I'll be watching from the edge of my seat.

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:36 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

If he comes close to this for full year, easy first rounder next year. good thing he won't

[/QUOTE]Well, Ian's goals are exactly what Nation posted. And he's met his goals every year so far... [/QUOTE]come talk to me AFTER he hits less than 20 hr's this year

[/QUOTE]Gave up alcohol for Lent....only to start smoking crack?

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:38 am

Originally posted by GoBabyGo:

CANO will be all the rage! Longer than the pet rock?

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:38 am

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

If he comes close to this for full year, easy first rounder next year. good thing he won't

[/QUOTE]Well, Ian's goals are exactly what Nation posted. And he's met his goals every year so far... [/QUOTE]come talk to me AFTER he hits less than 20 hr's this year

[/QUOTE]Gave up alcohol for Lent....only to start smoking crack? [/QUOTE]come on dog, i'm not like you

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:39 am

Originally posted by GoBabyGo:

CANO also started MLB later in life than AROD would started at what 17-18 yrs of age? This is his breakout year boys, believe what you will.

CANO will be all the rage! Kinda agree....not Arod, but he will hit double digit sb's this season.

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:40 am

Kinsler better hit more than 20, he's on most of my teams.

No crack here, I gave THAT up for Lent...boy, I can't wait for this Monday!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:44 am

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

Kinsler better hit more than 20, he's on most of my teams.

No crack here, I gave THAT up for Lent...boy, I can't wait for this Monday!

2 hr in 99 AB from the leadoff position in 07

6 homers the last two months of 07

zero hr this spring

i guess some of us still believe in the easter bunny

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:47 am

Glad we play with this years stats.....proactive thinker here, not reactive

.

EliGrimmett · Post by **EliGrimmett** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:49 am

I actually drafted Kinsler and Cano and I almost agree with Gekko. If Kinsler and Cano hit 20 HR apiece I'll be happy as I think Cano could put up a .320 BA and Kinsler could chip in 20 SB. If Cano steals 20 I'll be in shock! But...I hope everyone who thinks Cano and Kinsler could be first rounders next year is right!

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:52 am

Originally posted by EliGrimmett:

But...I hope everyone who thinks Cano and Kinsler could be first rounders next year is right! show of hands?

Let's see, one ... and one ...

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:57 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

6 homers the last two months of 07

zero hr this spring

I'll take 135r,18hr, 78rbi, 36sb, .289 playing the last 2 months game!!

When did spring stats of established starters start to have meaning? :rolleyes:

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:23 am

Originally posted by EliGrimmett:

I actually drafted Kinsler and Cano and I almost agree with Gekko. If Kinsler and Cano hit 20 HR apiece I'll be happy as I think Cano could put up a .320 BA and Kinsler could chip in 20 SB. If Cano steals 20 I'll be in shock! But...I hope everyone who thinks Cano and Kinsler could be first rounders next year is right! From today:

SB--R Cano 1 (3) LOL

He has 10 in 1400+AB's...

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:26 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

Delmon. A "Young" sky's the limit talent who may put up Rios' type #'s this year. A he'll get even better slant on top of a .300 20-20-85 season could be a sizemore replacement at the end of rd 1. Love the Delmon pick.

I think most look at last season and think he just has decent power.

He's a guy who has big time power potential with speed. And one thing that really helps his numbers is that he doesn't walk very much. 645 at-bats last year. I can't imagine what he does this year with the same amount of at-bats. I think he breaks out his power. We might see 25+ homers with great all-around numbers.

I think he's more of a 2nd or 3rd round pick in 2009, and could see late 1st, early 2nd round in 2010.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:13 pm

Ryan Howard a top 3 pick in 2009.

50 homers 140 rbi's 300 bavg.

rockitsauce · Post by **rockitsauce** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:56 pm

that's rt eddie g. i believe howard gets that ave back up and you know the power is gon be there, so many ppl will rue the day they passed on big ryan!

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:24 pm

Ryan Howard is head and shoulders above anyone else in baseball as far as a power hitter goes.

If he saw the same amount of pitches, and didn't get IBB...he would/will lead the league in HR for the next 5 years.

~Lance

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:43 pm

KJ, bjoak...

Has anyone run the numbers of power hitters vs. power hitters WITH avg???

I wonder if there is a cutoff...to the point where pitchers will continue to challenge a power hitter if he knows there is a high probability of K or out vs. just pitching around him???

Like Bonds in his prime...Power + Avg. = walks.

But a guy like Dunn or Sexon...the pitchers feel thay can take their chances...and thus he gets more pitches to crush?

~Lance

Crazy Like a Fox · Post by **Crazy Like a Fox** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:14 pm

Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

Glad we play with this years stats.....proactive thinker here, not reactive

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Very smart.

I think many look at last year's stats too much when predicting future success.

I think Kinsler is an excellent breakout candidate and could be a guy who approaches 30 homers with 25 steals and a ton of runs. I think it's realistic to expect a regression from Brandon Phillips and a step forward from Kinsler making Kinsler the much better pick later.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:00 pm

Originally posted by Crazy Like a Fox:

quote:Originally posted by GOD Loves You:

Glad we play with this years stats.....proactive thinker here, not reactive

.

Very smart.

I think many look at last year's stats too much when predicting future success.

I think Kinsler is an excellent breakout candidate and could be a guy who approaches 30 homers with 25 steals and a ton of runs. I think it's realistic to expect a regression from Brandon Phillips and a step forward from Kinsler making Kinsler the much better pick later. [/QUOTE]much better chance that kinsler ends up with 15 hr this year than 30. it's not that difficult to project. in fact, my projections have him under 20. hopefully the kinsler owners will get extra sb or runs. cause that average looks to be lower than most of you are projecting too