Some Interesting Tidbits About The 2005 NFBC

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:05 am

We'll keep adding some things as we continue to look back at the season and we invite all of you to join in with interesting things of note that you observed in your leagues or with the overall event. Among the ones that have jumped out so far:

1. A three-way tie for first place in New York League 3. That's pretty damn incredible.

2. One point separating our No. 2 overall finisher and our No. 3 finisher.

3. Las Vegas dominating our strength of league analysis. Of the Top 10 leagues in the NFBC this season, 7 of them resided in Sin City.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:20 am

Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

We'll keep adding some things as we continue to look back at the season and we invite all of you to join in with interesting things of note that you observed in your leagues or with the overall event. Among the ones that have jumped out so far:

1. A three-way tie for first place in New York League 3. That's pretty damn incredible.

2. One point separating our No. 2 overall finisher and our No. 3 finisher.

3. Las Vegas dominating our strength of league analysis. Of the Top 10 leagues in the NFBC this season, 7 of them resided in Sin City. 4. no public acknowledgement from KP to mr moneymaker for winning their event.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:22 am

We've been pretty busy here this morning Gordon but I was actually just going to post something now. Could you have waited a couple of minutes?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 7:30 am

Hey, Gordon, you know how the process works. We let your fellow owners say congrats and heap praise on you and then we follow with a nice article about the champion. Tom will be talking to Brian soon and getting some quotes and facts about his championship season. In fact, we'll try to do stories on all of our league champions for the web site and get some photos in our magazine. We hope to have additional space set aside in our first Fantasy Sports Magazine to highlight the season and promote the upcoming season.

Tom has said it already, but I'll chime in as well: Congrats Brian for an incredible season. You were well deserving of the $100,000 grand prize and you will represent us well as the overall champion. And congrats to all the league champions and money winners as you truly competed against the best fantasy baseball players in the country.

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:19 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Tom Kessenich:

We'll keep adding some things as we continue to look back at the season and we invite all of you to join in with interesting things of note that you observed in your leagues or with the overall event. Among the ones that have jumped out so far:

1. A three-way tie for first place in New York League 3. That's pretty damn incredible.

2. One point separating our No. 2 overall finisher and our No. 3 finisher.

3. Las Vegas dominating our strength of league analysis. Of the Top 10 leagues in the NFBC this season, 7 of them resided in Sin City. 4. no public acknowledgement from KP to mr moneymaker for winning their event. [/QUOTE]In regards to Las Vegas dominating. Las Vegas had 45% of the leagues and they ended up with 70% of top 10 leagues which shows it is a tough place to win. Chicago had 20% of the leagues and ended up with 20% of the tough leagues so they were right on track. New York has 35% of the leagues but only 10% of the tough leagues. So I guess that means that New York is the place to to draft huh?

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 8:29 am

Plymouth/Tom

Take a look at my thread 'Most Competitive Leagues - Analysis'. You can't simply take a look at the overall standings to come to that (your) kind of conclusions. Reason being, leagues with weaker managers usually provide greater opportunity for other managers in their league to capitalize. Does that mean they are better managers, thus a more competitive league because of their place in the top rankings?

My analysis totals the cumulative stats of each league, which is far different than what you are looking at. By looking at the cumulative stats, you get a sense of what leagues were most efficient (ie got the most out of their rosters, thus stats). If your whole league knows what they are doing, chances are you won't do well in the overall standings. The best example is Chicago 4: their top finisher only placed 44th overall, but their league had the top stats overall (not overall rankings). However, although NY 5 had 2 of the top 3, they still ranked as one of the toughest divisions to be in this year.

Regardless, your point about New York is correct, just not as correct.

[ October 03, 2005, 02:32 PM: Message edited by: nydownunder ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:27 am

Here's a few of the interesting facts I learned from 2005's winners:

1) Both of our overall champions have now come from New Jersey and the New York main events.

2) We had four defending league champions this year. Let's give it up for Shawn Childs of Forestdale, Massachusetts, who won Las Vegas League 1 this year; Clark Olson, who won Las Vegas League 4 this year; Joe Thelen, who won New York League 1 this year; and Stephen Jupinka, who tied for first place in New York League 3.

3) Shawn Childs and Kevin Deckel of CC's Desperados lead our Lifetime Standings, having finished third overall in 2004 and fifth overall in 2005. AWESOME job, guys. They've also won some auction leagues and won an NFFC league title in 2004, so they've won all three main event leagues they've competed in so far. That's tough to beat.

4) We had our first tie for a league title in NFBC history and it happened to be a three-way tie in New York League 3. Yes, that's right: Jupinka, Joseph Anello and John Paolucci all finished with 114.5 points to tie for first place. They split the $7,500 league prizes three ways. We also had ties for second place in Chicago League 4, and for third place in Las Vegas League 9 and New York League 6.

Just a few tidbits for you to chew on.

[ October 05, 2005, 11:14 AM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:40 am

There was also a lot of discussion on the need for a minimum innings pitched limit in 2006 because some teams went with lineups that contained all relievers or players who didn't even pitch in the major leagues in 2005. I agreed and added a 400 innings pitched minimum for 2006.

But people should know that of all the teams that tried this strategy in 2005, I know of only two teams that earned a money finish. Several of those teams who tried the reliever strategy were competitive, but nobody won a league title. I believe Perry Van Hook was the only one to finish second using the unique strategy (and his team had the fewest innings pitched in the contest) as he was runnerup in the $650 NL Auction League.

I'm not trying to call out any of these owners, but I know they've expressed the desire to try new strategies and won't mind me revealing their finishes. Ken Bayes had two closers and several Class A pitchers in the $1,250 Las Vegas NL Auction League 2 and his team finished third with 86 points, 12 points behind the league champion. Hank Cantrell used the same strategy in the same league and his team finished fourth with 84 points. Hank also used a similar strategy in the main event and finished fourth in Las Vegas League 1 with 91 points.

I know two teams tried it in New York League 7 and both finished out of the money. Chris Fleming also went with relievers in the NFBC Ultimate Draft League and his team finished fifth with 97 points, 13.5 points out of first.

I'm sure there were others and someone correct me if I'm wrong on the number of money finishers using this strategy. I guess I just wanted to point out that this strategy did not corrupt the overall rankings or league races or even the auction leagues. It forced some owners to change their strategies on Draft Day, but it didn't hurt the integrity of the contest.

Still, there will be a minimum innings pitched limit and a requirement on who can be drafted in 2006 as a result of all this. So good luck everyone and keep coming up with unique ways to win the grand prize.

Kevin D · Post by **Kevin D** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:31 am

Actually we were third overall in 2004 not second. Still a nice finish we're proud of. MAN!! We are some LUCKY!! LoL

[ October 05, 2005, 10:33 AM: Message edited by: Kevin D ]

cfolson · Post by **cfolson** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:47 am

> 2) We had three defending league champions this

> year. Let's give it up for Shawn Childs of

> Forestdale, Massachusetts, who won Las Vegas

> League 1 this year; Joe Thelen, who won New York

> League 1 this year; and Stephen Jupinka, who tied

> for first place in New York League 3.

If you're talking about repeat league champions, then you missed one...

Clark Olson

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:11 am

Originally posted by Kevin D:

Actually we were third overall in 2004 not second. Still a nice finish we're proud of. MAN!! We are some LUCKY!! LoL You're right. I just changed that. Aaron Seefeldt was second last year and you guys were third. But earning two top five finishes is something special. Now I know why you took home that debut NFBC sign from Las Vegas in 2004 as you just KNEW this was going to be a special event for you and Shawn.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:13 am

Originally posted by Clark Olson:

> 2) We had three defending league champions this

> year. Let's give it up for Shawn Childs of

> Forestdale, Massachusetts, who won Las Vegas

> League 1 this year; Joe Thelen, who won New York

> League 1 this year; and Stephen Jupinka, who tied

> for first place in New York League 3.

If you're talking about repeat league champions, then you missed one...

Clark Olson Dr. Olson, who could I miss you? I'll correct the post above as I apologize for missing your title in Las Vegas League 4. My apologies. You are a deserving double champion. Now if I could only convince you to try our football event instead of that other one!!!

cfolson · Post by **cfolson** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:32 pm

I have nothing against the NFFC. However, I do like to be in Las Vegas for the first weekend of games...

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:40 pm

CC and Olson - Jobs well done!