Gekko, re: Liriano

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:06 am

He looked good. Let's keep our fingers crossed on our 8th rounder!!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:09 am

U must have missed it. Liriano headed to minors. I'd consider him in the 12th. Seriously.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:13 am

It's not surprising. Hey, he's improved as the spring has progressed and that's a good sign. A better sign will be when he breaks out that slider, which he's been afraid to do.

We both have a vested interest, so let's keep our fingers crossed.

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:18 am

Two games in the minors, then back up. By July, he will probably be your favorite pitcher in fantasy baseball.

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:20 am

I hope so. He sits behind Johan and C Young on one of my staffs. Love him as a #3.

But until he busts out that slider without fear of his arm falling off, I will have mild trepidation.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:22 am

Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

Two games in the minors, then back up. By July, he will probably be your favorite pitcher in fantasy baseball. here's a rea;ity check. liriano is nowhere near 100%. he's done okay against two triple A lineups.

before he got hurt, he was a groundball pitcher. this spring training he is a flyball pitcher. something is wrong. maybe it's the slider. maybe his arm hurts when he throws it. going by past experience, liriano is not the most truthful person when speaking with management. either way, liriano will be a disappointment this year.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:25 am

I just hope he doesn't turn into anothe Mark Prior...with that small sample size of excellence, expected to be repeated.

~Lance

NorCalAtlFan · Post by **NorCalAtlFan** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:25 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

Two games in the minors, then back up. By July, he will probably be your favorite pitcher in fantasy baseball. here's a rea;ity check. liriano is nowhere near 100%. he's done okay against two triple A lineups.

before he got hurt, he was a groundball pitcher. this spring training he is a flyball pitcher. something is wrong. maybe it's the slider. maybe his arm hurts when he throws it. going by past experience, liriano is not the most truthful person when speaking with management. either way, liriano will be a disappointment this year. [/QUOTE]I think he's a young guy coming off major surgery. He should probably give Smoltz a call. I know that it took Smoltz a while to have confidence to throw that slider. I don't think he's still hurt, I just think he's afraid to go to his bread and butter. Hopefully a couple starts in AAA will help him overcome that fear.

The Mighty Men · Post by **The Mighty Men** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:27 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

Two games in the minors, then back up. By July, he will probably be your favorite pitcher in fantasy baseball. here's a rea;ity check. liriano is nowhere near 100%. he's done okay against two triple A lineups.

before he got hurt, he was a groundball pitcher. this spring training he is a flyball pitcher. something is wrong. maybe it's the slider. maybe his arm hurts when he throws it. going by past experience, liriano is not the most truthful person when speaking with management. either way, liriano will be a disappointment this year. [/QUOTE]I'm doing my best to keep the optimism flowing. I like the happy GG.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 10:40 am

Jack - I'm trying my best to have liriano slip to me in the 9th. Or am I?

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:00 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Men:

Two games in the minors, then back up. By July, he will probably be your favorite pitcher in fantasy baseball. here's a rea;ity check. liriano is nowhere near 100%. he's done okay against two triple A lineups.

before he got hurt, he was a groundball pitcher. this spring training he is a flyball pitcher. something is wrong. maybe it's the slider. maybe his arm hurts when he throws it. going by past experience, liriano is not the most truthful person when speaking with management. either way, liriano will be a disappointment this year. [/QUOTE]You shouldn't own him...you are a non-believe!! Liriano will be drafted in the top five pitchers next year.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:40 am

Shwan [the truth] Childs , you tell them all Shwan, im with you top 5 next year.I think he will hold his own this year but his second half will be the half he dominates.The slider will take a little time but when it comes, BAM.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:08 pm

Originally posted by eddiejag:

Shwan [the truth] Childs , you tell them all Shwan, im with you top 5 next year.I think he will hold his own this year but his second half will be the half he dominates.The slider will take a little time but when it comes, BAM. And BAM....CC's Desperados knocks off Eddie's Wild KingDOM is the AL auction!!

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:10 pm

And Rick Thomas blocked me in two leagues from getting him...

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:40 pm

You guys have to show some patience with Liriano. First he is coming off major surgery, second he was late getting to spring training, and last but probably most important is that to the Twins he is now considered the "franchise". The Twins are ultra conservative with their pitchers in general but with a guy like this they are extra careful. The problem they have now is that their AAA team is in Rochester and it is cold there so Liriano who dislikes the cold to begin with may end up holding back and not throwing as hard as he can. He has already said that if he does not make the team he would prefer to stay in Florida. If you let him stay and pitch in Florida then he is facing single A hitters and it would be like a man amongst boys. The better the Twins staff looks, the longer he stays in the minors. I have seen Liriano pitch since the Twins acquired him and he was dominant in 2006 for about 1/2 a season but I think everyone needs to give him more time to develop and gain experience in the majors. I am not saying he will not be a star, but he has not pitched enough yet to get the HOF spot set just yet. I am constantly amazed at how players today are proclaimed the next Cy Young or Hank Aaron after a brief flash of greatness. Do you guys remember why Liriano was traded from the Giants to Minnesota? Because he was out all year the year before due to an arm injury............

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:13 pm

THE WORST TRADE IN BASEBALL HISTORY.

Liraino , jOE Nathan,and Boof Boonser for

AJ Pierzynski.

The Wild KingDom IS GOING FOR A THREE PEAT , so get out of my way.Altough Shawn did pony up 26 dollars for Liriano.I did draft Liriano in my main event, the key to my team.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:26 pm

Originally posted by eddiejag:

THE WORST TRADE IN BASEBALL HISTORY.

Liraino , jOE Nathan,and Boof Boonser for

AJ Pierzynski.

The Wild KingDom IS GOING FOR A THREE PEAT , so get out of my way.Altough Shawn did pony up 26 dollars for Liriano.I did draft Liriano in my main event, the key to my team. Only 23..

jdoggmms · Post by **jdoggmms** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:30 pm

Originally posted by eddiejag:

THE WORST TRADE IN BASEBALL HISTORY.

Liraino , jOE Nathan,and Boof Boonser for

AJ Pierzynski.

The Wild KingDom IS GOING FOR A THREE PEAT , so get out of my way.Altough Shawn did pony up 26 dollars for Liriano.I did draft Liriano in my main event, the key to my team. THE WORST OWNERSHIP DECISION IN BASEBALL HISTORY. Extending GM Brian Sabean's contract 2 more years after this trade and countless other dumb moves - spending exorbitant amounts of money of zito, durham, winn, dave roberts,and pretty soon, aaron rowand,bringing back aurilia, signing klesko, trading accardo for hillenbrand are what come to mind at the moment..oh yeah, giving that huge deal to benitez wasn't too bright either. and i haven't even mentioned how he let bonds do whatever he wanted and basically run the clubhouse

FIRE SABEAN!!!

- frustrated giants fan

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:42 pm

Originally posted by jdoggmms:

quote:Originally posted by eddiejag:

THE WORST TRADE IN BASEBALL HISTORY.

Liraino , jOE Nathan,and Boof Boonser for

AJ Pierzynski.

The Wild KingDom IS GOING FOR A THREE PEAT , so get out of my way.Altough Shawn did pony up 26 dollars for Liriano.I did draft Liriano in my main event, the key to my team. THE WORST OWNERSHIP DECISION IN BASEBALL HISTORY. Extending GM Brian Sabean's contract 2 more years after this trade and countless other dumb moves - spending exorbitant amounts of money of zito, durham, winn, dave roberts,and pretty soon, aaron rowand,bringing back aurilia, signing klesko, trading accardo for hillenbrand are what come to mind at the moment..oh yeah, giving that huge deal to benitez wasn't too bright either. and i haven't even mentioned how he let bonds do whatever he wanted and basically run the clubhouse

FIRE SABEAN!!!

- frustrated giants fan [/QUOTE]I agree 100%.

He should be fired.

This is one of the top 5 markets in the USA...and he keeps feeding us **** like you mentioned.

The Giants have one of the best ballparks in MLB...and a bunch of cheap minor leaguers and overpaid has-beens or never were's. (Other than Cain and Lincecum)

At least get ONE hitter the area can rally behind. ROWAND??? Geez...what a fool.

When a teams entire draw for the season are two starting pitchers...you are guaranteeing NO DRAWING CARD for the three games the other pitchers start. That's why a talented hitter with some upside/youth/charisma can work wonders...you get to see that guy play EVERY GAME!

~Lance

[ March 29, 2008, 12:58 AM: Message edited by: sportsbettingman ]

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 6:52 pm

Just like the UFC...if a guy FIGHTS HARD and has character and style...yet loses half the time...he can still be a beloved fighter to watch fight, and has a following.

There are other fighters who have no style nor fighting spirit...they just focus on a boring style of winning.

They can beat the weaker fighters, and build a nice win/loss record...but they are so boring to watch that the crowd will booo them...even when they win.

They will never beat the best fighters...they lack the spirit of a true FIGHTER.

The same thing to a degree applies to baseball.

Give me an interesting team that on a good run...can surprise any team. Give me a young team with unknown potential (like the A's hitters to a degree) over known below-average players that I KNOW suck.

Give me a unknown team worth rooting for...even if they lose...as opposed to a team that wins more...but is so boring and with such a limited/poor potential...that they don't validate paying to see them play.

~Lance

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:23 pm

Originally posted by jdoggmms:

quote:Originally posted by eddiejag:

THE WORST TRADE IN BASEBALL HISTORY.

Liraino , jOE Nathan,and Boof Boonser for

AJ Pierzynski.

The Wild KingDom IS GOING FOR A THREE PEAT , so get out of my way.Altough Shawn did pony up 26 dollars for Liriano.I did draft Liriano in my main event, the key to my team. THE WORST OWNERSHIP DECISION IN BASEBALL HISTORY. Extending GM Brian Sabean's contract 2 more years after this trade and countless other dumb moves - spending exorbitant amounts of money of zito, durham, winn, dave roberts,and pretty soon, aaron rowand,bringing back aurilia, signing klesko, trading accardo for hillenbrand are what come to mind at the moment..oh yeah, giving that huge deal to benitez wasn't too bright either. and i haven't even mentioned how he let bonds do whatever he wanted and basically run the clubhouse

FIRE SABEAN!!!

- frustrated giants fan [/QUOTE]Let's not forget not keeping a number one draft pick on purpose signing Micheal Tucker earlier than needed.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 1:29 am

The Zito contract was a joke , how could they not see they overpaid him by 100 million dollars .Its funny i rember in the Super the King of Queens was up in the 25th round and said them majic words BARRY ZITO the most over priced player in sports.Even the fantasy players know whats hes worth. NOTHING.

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:32 am

Originally posted by eddiejag:

The Zito contract was a joke , how could they not see they overpaid him by 100 million dollars .Its funny i rember in the Super the King of Queens was up in the 25th round and said them majic words BARRY ZITO the most over priced player in sports.Even the fantasy players know whats hes worth. NOTHING. Barry Zito = Doug Davis

Dub · Post by **Dub** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:35 am

High Risk- Higher reward!!

Anyone have Liriano AND Harden? This may be the wining ticket. ...or maybe not.

[ March 29, 2008, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: Dub ]

rockitsauce · Post by **rockitsauce** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:38 am

i agree w/ the earlier coments about sabean, (man that was a stupid trade for pierzinski!) but the decision to keep bonds was all magowan's...can't blame that on sabean.