How bad......

billywaz · Post by **billywaz** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:43 pm

is Joe Borowski????

Seriously, I knew he was bad, but actually WATCHING him pitch this evening made me wanna puke! I can guarantee this tool will NEVER find his way on another team of mine!

It is amazing what you can pick up when you actually WATCH the games!

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:03 pm

Originally posted by billywaz:

is Joe Borowski????

Seriously, I knew he was bad, but actually WATCHING him pitch this evening made me wanna puke! I can guarantee this tool will NEVER find his way on another team of mine!

It is amazing what you can pick up when you actually WATCH the games! When he keeps the ball down he's a solid pitcher. He'll come around. Right now he's just grooving the ball in there belt high - not a good idea to Manny Ramirez.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:11 pm

can u add randy johnson to the list? crusty dusty. hopefully no one started him this week.

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:19 pm

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by billywaz:

is Joe Borowski????

Seriously, I knew he was bad, but actually WATCHING him pitch this evening made me wanna puke! I can guarantee this tool will NEVER find his way on another team of mine!

It is amazing what you can pick up when you actually WATCH the games! When he keeps the ball down he's a solid pitcher. He'll come around. Right now he's just grooving the ball in there belt high - not a good idea to Manny Ramirez. [/QUOTE]He is bad and having him and Betancourt both, I sure hope he loses his job to Raffy soon. He did not however deserve to lose that game as it should have been tied going to the bottom of the 9th. Why David Delucci was playing with his ass touching the left field wall with Ortiz up is beyond me? A routine fly to left allowed Manny to bat and hit the game winner. Not justifying how bad Joe really is right now, but it shouldn't have been that bad.

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:20 pm

May I add I may just be bitter that I could have had Sherrill and his 6 saves 3 rounds later or Wood 6 rounds later, ugh.

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:04 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

can u add randy johnson to the list? crusty dusty. hopefully no one started him this week. LONG LIVE THE ERROR!!!

Winning, 7K and 0 ER thru 4 innings.

~Lance

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:31 pm

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

can u add randy johnson to the list? crusty dusty. hopefully no one started him this week. O ER and 7 K's bad? I guess Cueto was good yesterday.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:27 pm

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

can u add randy johnson to the list? crusty dusty. hopefully no one started him this week. LONG LIVE THE ERROR!!!

Winning, 7K and 0 ER thru 4 innings.

~Lance [/QUOTE]ya, when i posted, it was after the 2nd inning. he had thrown more balls than strikes up to that point. good job for anyone starting him!

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:28 pm

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

can u add randy johnson to the list? crusty dusty. hopefully no one started him this week. O ER and 7 K's bad? I guess Cueto was good yesterday. [/QUOTE]hey johnson's good, but he's no burnett!

btw, i'd trade liriano for either one

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:15 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by billywaz:

is Joe Borowski????

Seriously, I knew he was bad, but actually WATCHING him pitch this evening made me wanna puke! I can guarantee this tool will NEVER find his way on another team of mine!

It is amazing what you can pick up when you actually WATCH the games! When he keeps the ball down he's a solid pitcher. He'll come around. Right now he's just grooving the ball in there belt high - not a good idea to Manny Ramirez. [/QUOTE]did Bowwowski help you change a tire in the rain while he was a Cubbie ?

The safest time to pitch Bowwow is in the 10th inning of a 9 inning game !

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 3:32 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

can u add randy johnson to the list? crusty dusty. hopefully no one started him this week. O ER and 7 K's bad? I guess Cueto was good yesterday. [/QUOTE]I may be proven wise if my prediction of the long ball being Cueto's Achilles heal...

He's trending in the wrong direction in EVERY CATEGORY, ERA, WHIP, IP, K, HR, BB, W...(not that there was any room to trend upward)

Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV IP ERA

Apr 13 @ PIT L 1-9 L 6.0 5 5 5 2 1 6 1 1 0 19.1 3.72

Apr 8 @ MIL L 2-3 - 6.1 5 2 2 1 0 8 1 0 0 13.1 2.02

Apr 3 ARI W 3-2 W 7.0 1 1 1 1 0 10 1 0 0 7.0 1.29

Yikes!

~Lance

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:12 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I may be proven wise if my prediction of the long ball being Cueto's Achilles heal...

there u go dropping knowledge again

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:21 am

Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by billywaz:

is Joe Borowski????

Seriously, I knew he was bad, but actually WATCHING him pitch this evening made me wanna puke! I can guarantee this tool will NEVER find his way on another team of mine!

It is amazing what you can pick up when you actually WATCH the games! When he keeps the ball down he's a solid pitcher. He'll come around. Right now he's just grooving the ball in there belt high - not a good idea to Manny Ramirez. [/QUOTE]did Bowwowski help you change a tire in the rain while he was a Cubbie ?

The safest time to pitch Bowwow is in the 10th inning of a 9 inning game ! [/QUOTE]Word is his velocity was way down. Everyone in CLE hates him now. All part of his master plan. He can only pitch well as the underdog. He needs to go to the mound getting booed by his own fans with opposing batters licking their chops ... that's when he pitches well.

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:31 am

Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by Quahogs:

quote:Originally posted by KJ Duke:

quote:Originally posted by billywaz:

is Joe Borowski????

Seriously, I knew he was bad, but actually WATCHING him pitch this evening made me wanna puke! I can guarantee this tool will NEVER find his way on another team of mine!

It is amazing what you can pick up when you actually WATCH the games! When he keeps the ball down he's a solid pitcher. He'll come around. Right now he's just grooving the ball in there belt high - not a good idea to Manny Ramirez. [/QUOTE]did Bowwowski help you change a tire in the rain while he was a Cubbie ?

The safest time to pitch Bowwow is in the 10th inning of a 9 inning game ! [/QUOTE]Word is his velocity was way down. Everyone in CLE hates him now. All part of his master plan. He can only pitch well as the underdog. He needs to go to the mound getting booed by his own fans with opposing batters licking their chops ... that's when he pitches well.

[/QUOTE]A side bet that he doesen't match his 45 saves?

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:04 am

45? geez- no one will ever accuse you of gambling.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:05 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

A side bet that he doesen't match his 45 saves? yes yes.. what he said !

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:24 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

45? geez- no one will ever accuse you of gambling.

Maybe a better bet would be who gets more saves, Borowski or Jones.

[ April 15, 2008, 11:29 AM: Message edited by: DOUGHBOYS ]

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:47 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

can u add randy johnson to the list? crusty dusty. hopefully no one started him this week. O ER and 7 K's bad? I guess Cueto was good yesterday. [/QUOTE]hey johnson's good, but he's no burnett!

btw, i'd trade liriano for either one

[/QUOTE]Square peg, round hole. Anyway, I have both so I'll have to manage with them.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:52 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

quote:Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

can u add randy johnson to the list? crusty dusty. hopefully no one started him this week. O ER and 7 K's bad? I guess Cueto was good yesterday. [/QUOTE]I may be proven wise if my prediction of the long ball being Cueto's Achilles heal...

He's trending in the wrong direction in EVERY CATEGORY, ERA, WHIP, IP, K, HR, BB, W...(not that there was any room to trend upward)

Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV IP ERA

Apr 13 @ PIT L 1-9 L 6.0 5 5 5 2 1 6 1 1 0 19.1 3.72

Apr 8 @ MIL L 2-3 - 6.1 5 2 2 1 0 8 1 0 0 13.1 2.02

Apr 3 ARI W 3-2 W 7.0 1 1 1 1 0 10 1 0 0 7.0 1.29

Yikes!

~Lance [/QUOTE]I aree but it is not necessarily a novel idea, I don't think. He gave up a lot of homeruns in the minors, he's playing in the great American small park, flyball pitcher. These things don't mix well. It is more a question of whether he is so good he can absorb the homeruns, like a Cole Hamels. I think he will definitely hit a rough patch as the league adjusts to him.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:54 am

and just exactly how has the league adjusted to cole hammels?

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:17 am

Originally posted by billywaz:

is Joe Borowski????

Seriously, I knew he was bad, but actually WATCHING him pitch this evening made me wanna puke! I can guarantee this tool will NEVER find his way on another team of mine!

It is amazing what you can pick up when you actually WATCH the games! CLEVELAND (AP) -Indians closer Joe Borowski was placed on the 15-day disabled list Tuesday, a day after blowing a save and giving up a two-run homer in the ninth inning to Boston's Manny Ramirez in a 6-4 loss to the Red Sox.

The club said Borowski, who led the AL with 45 saves last season, has a strained triceps. He had been puzzled and frustrated by a significant loss in his velocity.

The club recalled right-hander Tom Mastny from Triple-A Buffalo.

With Borowski out, Indians manager Eric Wedge likely will turn to Rafael Betancourt as his new closer. Betancourt was one of baseball's top set-up men last season. He had three saves last season and has 12 career saves.

AP NEWS

The Associated Press News Service

Now don't you feel bad picking on the poor man when he was hurt!

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:52 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

and just exactly how has the league adjusted to cole hammels? Has nothing to do with my post. They were two distinct if connected thoughts. Almost every pitcher goes through a period of adjustment when he comes up. I think allowing homers will be part of Cueto's adjustment if not his overall MO. The league adjusted to Hamels during his rookie year when he posted an ERA up over 4. I was just talking about his liklihood to give up homers, which he clearly gives up a lot and succeeds despite them.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:57 am

agree

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:19 am

Wow! A lot ok knowledge dropping on the boards today...hitters adjust to pitchers? Wow, never thought of that one! lol

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:29 am

Just from watching him closely (while intensely rooting against him)

...I saw TWO speeds (not 3 or more)...it seemed it was either 86 or 95 mph.

I also noted that it looked like every pitch was close to the sweet spot of the bat swing.

Sure...he's got control...fine.

But if he keeps playing with fire...he's gonna get burned. (Cueto)

I noted he needed to mix in more "junk" pitches.

I decided to look up his pitches to strike ratio and it was 189 K in 270 P.

That's 70% strikes.

Just seems too high to me.

~Lance