The players voted a .219 hitter to ASG

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:59 pm

Varitek voted in over guys like Longoria, Dye, etc..

And I thought Red Sox nation was a joke voting in Pedroia over Kinsler.

Red Sox nation is an embarrassment to baseball.

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:09 pm

too bad they dont play catcher

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:26 pm

Originally posted by UFS:

Varitek voted in over guys like Longoria, Dye, etc..

And I thought Red Sox nation was a joke voting in Pedroia over Kinsler.

Red Sox nation is an embarrassment to baseball. How are Red Sox fans an embarrassment to baseball when the AL players picked Tek?

[ July 06, 2008, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: Red Sox Nation ]

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:28 pm

Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

quote:Originally posted by UFS:

Varitek voted in over guys like Longoria, Dye, etc..

And I thought Red Sox nation was a joke voting in Pedroia over Kinsler.

Red Sox nation is an embarrassment to baseball. WRONG! Blame the AL players.

Boston outfielder J.D. Drew, catcher Jason Varitek and closer Jonathan Papelbon were picked by a vote of AL players. [/QUOTE]Read the the title of this thread. Glad to see you pile on more embarrassment for the nation. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:32 pm

so what does the nation have to do with your point then? You said the nation is an embarasement but it's the players.

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:36 pm

Originally posted by Dirt Dogs:

so what does the nation have to do with your point then? You said the nation is an embarasement but it's the players. can't you guys read?

"And I thought Red Sox nation was a joke voting in Pedroia over Kinsler."

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:44 pm

ufs, your post was very poorly worded to make your point. You change from the players in the header to RSN, on which you make your final point on. which doesn't make sense given your header... please reread and I am sure you will agree

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:57 pm

At least Pedroia is a deserving all star. Does Jeter and Fukudome deserve to even be in the game? Are those fans a disgrace too?

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Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:58 pm

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kgrady · Post by **kgrady** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:55 pm

Presuming that the players vote for one player at each position (other than the one selected by the fans), the players chose Jason Varitek. On the surface that looks ugly since Varitek's recent slump has put his average into Mendoza line territory. But when you look at the AL catching landscape, there's very little to choose from. The fans correctly voted for Joe Mauer. Victor Martinez is on the DL. Established catchers Kenji Johjima and Ramon Hernandez are having poor years. Jorge Posada spent much of the first half of this season on the DL; Jose Molina actually has more AB's than Posada. I suspect the players want to see more from Dioner Navarro before recognizing him as an all-star. It looks to me like this came down to Jason Varitek vs. AJ Pierzynski. Varitek is well-respected around baseball for his leadership and catching ability. Pierzynski, who has much better batting credentials than Varitek, is an unpopular player amongst his peers. Ergo, Varitek got the nod.

Kevin

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:05 pm

Originally posted by kgrady:

Presuming that the players vote for one player at each position (other than the one selected by the fans), the players chose Jason Varitek. On the surface that looks ugly since Varitek's recent slump has put his average into Mendoza line territory. But when you look at the AL catching landscape, there's very little to choose from. The fans correctly voted for Joe Mauer. Victor Martinez is on the DL. Established catchers Kenji Johjima and Ramon Hernandez are having poor years. Jorge Posada spent much of the first half of this season on the DL; Jose Molina actually has more AB's than Posada. I suspect the players want to see more from Dioner Navarro before recognizing him as an all-star. It looks to me like this came down to Jason Varitek vs. AJ Pierzynski. Varitek is well-respected around baseball for his leadership and catching ability. Pierzynski, who has much better batting credentials than Varitek, is an unpopular player amongst his peers. Ergo, Varitek got the nod.

Kevin Ramon Hernandez, AJ Pierzynski, and M.Olivo all have better stats. You could even argue Napoli has better stats.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:35 pm

Originally posted by kgrady:

Presuming that the players vote for one player at each position (other than the one selected by the fans), the players chose Jason Varitek. On the surface that looks ugly since Varitek's recent slump has put his average into Mendoza line territory. But when you look at the AL catching landscape, there's very little to choose from. The fans correctly voted for Joe Mauer. Victor Martinez is on the DL. Established catchers Kenji Johjima and Ramon Hernandez are having poor years. Jorge Posada spent much of the first half of this season on the DL; Jose Molina actually has more AB's than Posada. I suspect the players want to see more from Dioner Navarro before recognizing him as an all-star. It looks to me like this came down to Jason Varitek vs. AJ Pierzynski. Varitek is well-respected around baseball for his leadership and catching ability. Pierzynski, who has much better batting credentials than Varitek, is an unpopular player amongst his peers. Ergo, Varitek got the nod.

Kevin Exactly. It would be more appropriate to pick on the fans, or better yet the system that pushes all the big market players into the game. Jeter will be the biggest joke there. He should be embarrassed to even show up.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:09 am

Originally posted by kgrady:

Established catchers Kenji Johjima and Ramon Hernandez are having poor years.

Kevin That hurts, Kevin!

Guess who I drafted as my two starting catchers? Ouch! But the truth hurts.

I might slightly disagree about Hernandez though. His first four weeks were past bad, but since Week 5, Hernandez has hit .272. And in the last four weeks, he has hit .300 with 11 Runs, 3 HR, and 13 RBI, so he has heated up quite a bit and is actually contributing.

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kgrady · Post by **kgrady** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:10 am

Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by kgrady:

Established catchers Kenji Johjima and Ramon Hernandez are having poor years.

Kevin That hurts, Kevin!

Guess who I drafted as my two starting catchers? Ouch! But the truth hurts. [/QUOTE]Actually, I must have the dubious distinction of having the worst draft at catcher, as well as the weakest combined statistics from all my catchers this season. I drafted JR Towles (16) and Ramon Castro (30). Castro was a throwaway in the final round, but guys like Michael Barrett and Yorvit Torrealba have been awful as replacements. I have managed to upgrade with the aforementioned Ramon Hernandez, Kelly Shoppach and Jeff Clement, but it's still been ugly!

Kevin

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:21 am

Originally posted by kgrady:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by kgrady:

Established catchers Kenji Johjima and Ramon Hernandez are having poor years.

Kevin That hurts, Kevin!

Guess who I drafted as my two starting catchers? Ouch! But the truth hurts. [/QUOTE]Actually, I must have the dubious distinction of having the worst draft at catcher, as well as the weakest combined statistics from all my catchers this season. I drafted JR Towles (16) and Ramon Castro (30). Castro was a throwaway in the final round, but guys like Michael Barrett and Yorvit Torrealba have been awful as replacements. I have managed to upgrade with the aforementioned Ramon Hernandez, Kelly Shoppach and Jeff Clement, but it's still been ugly!

Kevin [/QUOTE]Does anybody think Michael Barrett didn't forward a chain letter or something and received ten years of bad luck? A promising player and budding star just 15 months ago, he has had everything possible go wrong with his career.

*Slumped to start 2007.

*Fist fight with a teammate.

*Bad PR for fight, even though the ever-placid Zambrano started it.

*Relegated to back-up duty.

*Traded to Petco.

*Never played enough to get back on track, even though the regular Padres catchers are beyond bad.

*Fouled ball off face, leading to multiple fractures.

Good gosh! If you see him, don't stand too close.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:26 am

And I might add that is after a string of good luck that includes:

*A super-hot streak.

*Good PR for a fight with Pierzynski (since no one likes him).

*Love letters from Ron Shandler.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:09 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Originally posted by kgrady:

quote:Originally posted by Edwards Kings:

quote:Originally posted by kgrady:

Established catchers Kenji Johjima and Ramon Hernandez are having poor years.

Kevin That hurts, Kevin!

Guess who I drafted as my two starting catchers? Ouch! But the truth hurts. [/QUOTE]Actually, I must have the dubious distinction of having the worst draft at catcher, as well as the weakest combined statistics from all my catchers this season. I drafted JR Towles (16) and Ramon Castro (30). Castro was a throwaway in the final round, but guys like Michael Barrett and Yorvit Torrealba have been awful as replacements. I have managed to upgrade with the aforementioned Ramon Hernandez, Kelly Shoppach and Jeff Clement, but it's still been ugly!

Kevin [/QUOTE]Does anybody think Michael Barrett didn't forward a chain letter or something and received ten years of bad luck? A promising player and budding star just 15 months ago, he has had everything possible go wrong with his career.

*Slumped to start 2007.

*Fist fight with a teammate.

*Bad PR for fight, even though the ever-placid Zambrano started it.

*Relegated to back-up duty.

*Traded to Petco.

*Never played enough to get back on track, even though the regular Padres catchers are beyond bad.

*Fouled ball off face, leading to multiple fractures.

Good gosh! If you see him, don't stand too close. [/QUOTE]Sssshhhhhh! He is now a "sleeper"! :rolleyes:

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:23 am

Sssshhhhhh! He is now a "sleeper"! So, all he has to do is heal up, get back a good rep, move to a new ballpark, get a starting job, overcome two years of lost development, break out of his slump, and then wait out his 10 years of bad luck? Is he your number one sleeper for 2017?

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:33 am

Originally posted by bjoak:

quote:Sssshhhhhh! He is now a "sleeper"! So, all he has to do is heal up, get back a good rep, move to a new ballpark, get a starting job, overcome two years of lost development, break out of his slump, and then wait out his 10 years of bad luck? Is he your number one sleeper for 2017? [/QUOTE]Nah! He is behind at least Bonds, Tomko, and Charlie Pharis (I played ball with Charlie in Pony League and he was awesome).