Pre-Mag Mock Draftl

Kimo · Post by **Kimo** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:47 am

15-13

Edwin Encarnacion.

Mr Dalrae · Post by **Mr Dalrae** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:29 pm

Sorry for the delay guys I've spent the last 2 days in a truck plowing lots of snow and ice.My pick for Rd 15-14 is Jorge Cantu.

Don Mathis · Post by **Don Mathis** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:40 pm

15-15 Taylor Tankersley

16-1 - Anibal Sanchez

Mr Dalrae · Post by **Mr Dalrae** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:44 pm

Rd16 Pick#2 Iwill take Aaron Rowand.

Kimo · Post by **Kimo** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:06 pm

16-3

Josh Willingham

BEF · Post by **BEF** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:01 pm

16-4: Carlos Quentin

RawTalent · Post by **RawTalent** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:12 pm

16-5 Tim Hudson...

Perhaps the steal of the draft!

RT

RawTalent · Post by **RawTalent** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:24 pm

Raw Talent's Updated Roster (through 16 rounds):

C: B.McCann.

IF: A.Gonzalez (1B), J.Kent (2B), D.Jeter (SS) and D. Wright (3B).

OF: D. Roberts, P.Burrell and R.Freel

DH: F.Thomas.

SP: R.Oswalt, B.Sheets, D.Lowe, D.Willis, J. Garland and T.Hudson.

RP: B.Jenks.

What do you guys think of my team so far? Don't be bashful I can take constructive criticism...RT

Don Mathis · Post by **Don Mathis** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:15 am

RT- I see your teams strong points as SB-Avg-RBI-ERA and WHIP

I also see you weak in K's-Runs-and HR.

Good overall team, I would say B.

I based my opinion on you taking the best players that are still available (in my opinion).

Maybe you will give me the same valuation on my team.

C-none

1B- Teixiera

2B-Uggla

3B- none

SS- Vizquel

OF- M. Ramirez-Sheffield-Matsui-Podsednik-Alou

MI- none

CI- Garko

U- Duffy

P-Carpenter-Harang-Burnett-Anibal Sanchez-Saito and Tankersley.

Don

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:55 am

Originally posted by RawTalent:

16-5 Tim Hudson...

Perhaps the steal of the draft!

RT Could be, but my concerns over him were his increased walk rate last year and he is a bit low on the K/IP. Personally, I hope the Bravos trade him and get some sort of REAL lead-off man!

[ December 03, 2006, 06:55 AM: Message edited by: Edwards Kings ]

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:57 am

Originally posted by Brad Vo:

Barry Bonds As a DH somewhere...could be a league winner...

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:59 am

Originally posted by headhunters:

lots and lots of guys vying for right field on astros. lee in left, taveras center. can scott play right, burke, huff berkman can play there. huff or ensberg should be gone- but can huff play 3rd? some trades are on the way. I chose Taveras concerned that the Astros have too many players for the OF. Will they push Burke into CF because of Taveras' historically low OBP?

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:52 am

Originally posted by RawTalent:

Raw Talent's Updated Roster (through 16 rounds):

C: B.McCann.

IF: A.Gonzalez (1B), J.Kent (2B), D.Jeter (SS) and D. Wright (3B).

OF: D. Roberts, P.Burrell and R.Freel

DH: F.Thomas.

SP: R.Oswalt, B.Sheets, D.Lowe, D.Willis, J. Garland and T.Hudson.

RP: B.Jenks.

What do you guys think of my team so far? Don't be bashful I can take constructive criticism...RT Personally, I dislike. Obviously having Wright and Jeter make for a good IF, but other than these two and Gonzalez, I would be very weary due to injuries. Love were you took Freel. I was going to take right before you did, but he's only OF eligible now, so other than the SB's, not much value with him. IMO, this team could spend half of the season in the DL. But then again, this is the type of team that could be sneaky and win a league, but I would imagine middle of the pack.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:00 am

i think of all the $ and time spent on fantasy baseball- the one area that seems to get the most play is injuries. how in the world does anyone know? derek lee was never hurt. nomar "always hurt". who went down? the further down the draft you go- the more value you get on players"that are always injured". i'd rather have drew for 1/2 the year than a lot of guys for the whole year. at this point many of these guys have negative value. i like hudson in this round- but with the k rate really has no chance to "breakout". garland won 18 games- but was not top 25 pitcher because of k's. but hudson is great in this round. anibal sanchez could be a big breakout pitcher- if florida can get him 15 wins. my 2 cents.

RawTalent · Post by **RawTalent** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:53 am

Thanks for all the opinions guys and keep them coming if you can...

This is my first year ever in a mixed league but I've been playing in an NL-only auction league the past 20 years and if you look at my team I took a majority of players out of the NL pool.

Last year, my first year in the NFBC, I took first place in the NL-only auction ($650 level) out of Chicago-Tampa league.

A note to Don Mathis: I would have a hard time evaulating your team, seeing how this is my FIRST ever mixed league mock draft. I do think you have laid the foundation for a decent team. Maybe, I can give you a better indication when the draft is over.

Thanks for your help,

RT

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:56 am

raw- same with me- nl only auction. all my pitchers in satleite were nl. just had a higher comfort level. nice win in 650 league.

[ December 03, 2006, 05:43 PM: Message edited by: headhunters ]

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 5:40 am

16-6 Roger Clemens

Tradesman Kettleers · Post by **Tradesman Kettleers** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:10 am

At 16-7, Jim Edmonds (OF) St. Louis Cardinals

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:09 am

It's not the worst thing in the world to feature NL pitchers. First all other things being equal they get more K's cause they face other pitchers maybe 2 or 3 times a game. Also better era's because of that and more "pitchers" ballparks than the AL. I would say don't dismiss AL pitchers either. There are some good ones and don't handicap yourself by limiting yourself to just NL. My 2 cents for what it's worth. P.S. Both you guys obviously have the NL down pat and I think you'll be fine. I always consider my first year in a league a learning year. There's always stuff that's a little differant in each. Doesn't mean you can't win and some people have done very well here their first time in. Good luck to both and I think you'll enjoy it. I did my first year even though I was not in the money. 4th in my league 80th overall. Really enjoyed it though. My first year was year 2 of nfbc. Wish I was in the first year. Best chance to win it all. Only 195 players. Obviously all first timers.

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:18 am

Originally posted by RawTalent:

Raw Talent's Updated Roster (through 16 rounds):

C: B.McCann.

IF: A.Gonzalez (1B), J.Kent (2B), D.Jeter (SS) and D. Wright (3B).

OF: D. Roberts, P.Burrell and R.Freel

DH: F.Thomas.

SP: R.Oswalt, B.Sheets, D.Lowe, D.Willis, J. Garland and T.Hudson.

RP: B.Jenks.

What do you guys think of my team so far? Don't be bashful I can take constructive criticism...RT Ny issue with your hitting is playing time. Roberts and Freel almost always get irregular at bats. Kent could lose time with age and potential injury. Thomas had about 400 at bats last year in a full season. If he makes it through this year, he still won't play in interleague. The Phillies quit playing Burrell in September last year, which was really dumb and probably cost them the wild card, but I don't know that they've gotten any smarter over the offseason. McCann gets regular catcher playing time, but I'd argue that amount of playing time isn't worth a 3rd round pick. Mauer and Martinez have that advantage over him.

I really like your infield and it was smart to go after a good 3B and shortstop early and get a veteran 2B and young hitting 1B later.

You have too many high profile pitchers who have better reps than skill sets. The only one I really like is Sheets and he will almost certainly spend half the year on the DL. Even if you are correct w/r/t their quality, you still won't have any K's.

Punting K's is an interesting thing to do if you have starters because you would still likely end 200-300 in the overall category. You aren't shooting yourself in the foot the way you would with the reliever strategy. It could be worth something if it allows you to take pitchers later while building up on offense.

Sorry I'm not too crazy about your team. I've been wrong before. Besides, it's just a mock so you don't have to feel any kind of ownership with it.

[ December 03, 2006, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: bjoak ]

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:54 am

bjoak- has he really bagged k's? he has one closer. i love this mock- but by march 17th there will be 30 closer spots locked down. some guys in this draft are either waiting to take maybe's or only taking one. he has 2 pitchers left. if he take a starter and a high k middle reliever- how many k's would you say he gets? what does he need? 1200 seems like a good # for 13 k points with option for higher. what is 8 points? mike

bjoak · Post by **bjoak** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:08 am

Good Point. I'd say if he goes 8 starters he can actually do well in K's. I didn't mention it but though the K/9's of a lot of his guys are low at least they get a lot of innings making the situation less dire. Nevertheless, a 1 closer strategy puts him in the 200-300 range for saves so he still has the same problem of sinking in one cat. I'd say the middle reliever strategy is the worst thing he can do as he'll get hammered in both categories.

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:21 am

I have sucked at K's both of my years in this league. It has been my worst cat by far. For what it's worth I figure you need about 1217 K's as a team for it to be an average cat. on a $100,000 winning team. This is based on average finish in each cat for Vinnie's team which ran away with it. Vinnie actually finished with 1240, so K's were a slightly better than average cat for him. Saves I believe were his worst cat. This is an anomoly caused by what someone has referred to earlier. Some teams will only draft relievers. Dooming them to not having a chance at $100,000 and skewing the overall finish for those of us that had a more balanced approach.

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:57 am

just looked at the 3 chicago leagues. 1200 k's got you 12 points, 13 points and 13 points. i probably will use that as a target. i think in a good league- for target #'s i would never be able to hit what "won". 3-4 would have to exceed my expectations in hitting . in pitching i would have to a great rookie come up. we all see the same #'s. k's seems easy to hit- but it depends - for me- on how the draft goes. from this one- as i suspected- people value k's and saves the most. vander- i hope you end up in another league from me. mike

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:01 pm

i assume if you draft only relievers- you are trying for 14/15 points in 8 categories and 1 in 2for 115-122 points. not for me.