Mock Draft #2

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:40 am

2.15-3.01 D Lee, C Granderson

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:04 am

Markakis OF Bal

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:09 am

Originally posted by Vander:

I would put the same question to Shawn if your inclined to answer. If you don't I'll understand. One can't give away too much and stay ahead of the compitition. I think Shandler's book is a must. It gives you easy access to structured information. If you are looking at two players who hit .280 with 20 homers and 80 RBI, you might like one more after looking at Shandler's other numbers. He tends to be on the conservative side of a lot of things which isn't bad.

I don't read the book cover to cover, but I do read all the player comments. I know what I like about the book and what I don't like.

Sheep · Post by **Sheep** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:13 am

3.3 G. Atkins

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:23 am

Thanks Shawn. You Dan and Stevieland carry a lot of weight considering your consistent top finishes. I have not gone with the Shandler book in the past and only have it since it was given out at the draft last year. I'm now studying it to see in hindsight how accurate it was. Like most some winners, some losers. Still shocked how high he had Furcal. I look at stats the same as anyone else, but trust my eyes more than pure #'s. I always thought J. Jenkins early years of hitting for high average were a fluke. It's so hard to do with an upper cut swing like his. Maybe Shandler figured that out with #'s, too many fly balls or something. I just do it another way. Thanks again.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:33 am

A word of caution: Shandler or any other resource can only take you so far.

U also need to possess the following:

1) A working brain

2) Lots of time

3) Efficient use of time

4) Able to adapt

5) Be able to figure out where Shandler and other resources are wrong

What is the highest finish for one of shandler's workers? How about any other .com companies?

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:46 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

A word of caution: Shandler or any other resource can only take you so far.

U also need to possess the following:

1) A working brain

2) Lots of time

3) Efficient use of time

4) Able to adapt

5) Be able to figure out where Shandler and other resources are wrong

What is the highest finish for one of shandler's workers? How about any other .com companies? That has always been my point. I really don't want to get into this again since it brought quite a bit of anymosity last year when it did, but the opinions of some of the better finishers in this contest mean more to me than Shandler or anybody else. I also don't mean to pick on Shandler. It's only because some seem to worship his opinion like it's the gosple. I haven't seen any of the service providers finish all that great even in 1 season let alone be repeat high finishers. Am I missing someone? Again I don't mean to be insulting to anyone. I just don't get it.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:05 am

Originally posted by Vander:

Thanks Shawn. You Dan and Stevieland carry a lot of weight considering your consistent top finishes. I have not gone with the Shandler book in the past and only have it since it was given out at the draft last year. I'm now studying it to see in hindsight how accurate it was. Like most some winners, some losers. Still shocked how high he had Furcal. I look at stats the same as anyone else, but trust my eyes more than pure #'s. I always thought J. Jenkins early years of hitting for high average were a fluke. It's so hard to do with an upper cut swing like his. Maybe Shandler figured that out with #'s, too many fly balls or something. I just do it another way. Thanks again. I really don't get caught up in the rankings. I wasn't a Furcal fan last year. I thought he was getting drafted to high.

[ October 29, 2007, 03:00 PM: Message edited by: CC's Desperados ]

Vander · Post by **Vander** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:19 am

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Vander:

Thanks Shawn. You Dan and Stevieland carry a lot of weight considering your consistent top finishes. I have not gone with the Shandler book in the past and only have it since it was given out at the draft last year. I'm now studying it to see in hindsight how accurate it was. Like most some winners, some losers. Still shocked how high he had Furcal. I look at stats the same as anyone else, but trust my eyes more than pure #'s. I always thought J. Jenkins early years of hitting for high average were a fluke. It's so hard to do with an upper cut swing like his. Maybe Shandler figured that out with #'s, too many fly balls or something. I just do it another way. Thanks again. I really don't get to caught up in the rankings. I wasn't a Furcal fan last year. I thought he was getting drafted to high. [/QUOTE]Thanks again. I think I got it now. Good info, not the gosple.

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:02 am

Originally posted by Vander:

I believe it's my pick now with KJ @ 2-15. I will take Ichiro OF SEA. Oops! Sorry!

GOD Loves You · Post by **GOD Loves You** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:56 am

3.4 Troy Tulowitzki

Dak · Post by **Dak** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:13 am

3.5 Brian Roberts

KJ Duke · Post by **KJ Duke** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:32 am

Headhunters is up, then Chest

1.01 A Rodriguez (KJ Duke)

1.02 H Ramirez (Vander)

1.03 J Reyes (Sheep)

1.04 D Wright (God loves you)

1.05 A Pujols (DAK)

1.06 J Rollins (Headhunters)

1.07 C Utley (Chester Rockwell)

1.08 M Holliday (EliGrimmett)

1.09 A Soriano (Doughboys)

1.10 R Howard (Brilee’s Brigade)

1.11 G Sizemore (Hard Heads)

1.12 C Crawford (Berkshire Juggernauts)

1.13 J Santana (Edward Kings)

1.14 M Cabrera (Asumijet)

1.15 P Fielder (Dickie V)

2.01 R Braun (Dickie V)

2.02 J Peavy (Asumijet)

2.03 C Beltran (Edwards Kings)

2.04 D Ortiz (Berkshire Juggernauts)

2.05 B Phillips(Hard Heads)

2.06 C Lee (Brilee's Brigade)

2.07 V Guerrero (Doughboys)

2.08 M Teixeira (EliGrimmett)

2.09 L Berkman (Chest Rockwell)

2.10 A Rios (Headhunters)

2.11 BJ Upton (DAK)

2.12 R Martin (GLU)

2.13 V Martinez (Sheep)

2.14 I Suzuki (Vander)

2.15 Derrek Lee (KJ Duke)

3.01 C Granderson(KJ Duke)

3.02 N Markakis (Vander)

3.03 G Atkins (Sheep)

3.04 T Tulowitzki (God loves you)

3.05 B Roberts (DAK)

3.06 (Headhunters)

3.07 (Chester Rockwell)

3.08 (EliGrimmett)

3.09 (Doughboys)

3.10 (Brilee’s Brigade)

3.11 (Hard Heads)

3.12 (Berkshire Juggernauts)

3.13 (Edward Kings)

3.14 (Asumijet)

3.15 (Dickie V)

headhunters · Post by **headhunters** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:37 am

3.6 OF bobby abreu

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:14 am

Since Headhunters stoled my pick I will go Manny Ramirez.

EliGrimmett · Post by **EliGrimmett** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:55 pm

Byrnes

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:05 pm

Ordonez, of, Det

Brilee's Brigade · Post by **Brilee's Brigade** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:10 pm

A Ramirez Cubs

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:16 pm

Hate to fill the UT so early, but a late 1st early second rounder from last year at 3.11?

Travis Hafner it is.

Brilee's Brigade · Post by **Brilee's Brigade** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:44 pm

it was a tough choice between A-Ram and Pronk, but Pronk burnt me last year at 2.7

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:46 pm

Originally posted by Hard Heads:

Hate to fill the UT so early, but a late 1st early second rounder from last year at 3.11?

Travis Hafner it is. A double edged sword. If you're wrong about Hafner it costs both your most versatile position AND the 2nd or 3rd round pick. A lot of risk. Is he THAT much of a better hitter than the next guy on the list? A question Hafnerites will be asking themselves at the Main.

Hard Heads · Post by **Hard Heads** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:41 pm

In hindsight a Morneau or Sheffield or even a Jeter may have been wiser especially since Pronkster can't seem to stay healthy. This is why we practice.

Berkshire Juggernauts · Post by **Berkshire Juggernauts** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:18 pm

Justin Morneau 1B

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:31 am

Carlos Guillen, SS, DET

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:43 am

Originally posted by Hard Heads:

In hindsight a Morneau or Sheffield or even a Jeter may have been wiser especially since Pronkster can't seem to stay healthy. This is why we practice. Even if the Juggernaughts had not picked him up, Morneau would not have made it past me. I hear what you say about Hafner. I generally would not pick a pure DH unless they came at an outrageous bargin, but personally I would not pick Sheffield anyway (though the 22 SB in 2007 were a surprise) as there is too much risk in a 39 year old.

Just thoughts.

[ October 30, 2007, 06:43 AM: Message edited by: Edwards Kings ]