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Greg's Latest Column On 2012 Sleepers

Post by Greg Ambrosius » Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:34 am

I'm continuing to write a weekly baseball column for a few sites that include BaseballHQ.com and Rotowire.com. Here's my latest one on Sleepers in 2012. As you can see, the goal now is knowing WHEN to draft that, not only identifying them. Enjoy.


Everyone goes into the off-season these days looking for the next great Sleeper. Unfortunately, by the time Draft Day rolls around everyone has identified those sleepers. So now the key isn’t FINDING those sleepers, it’s knowing WHEN to draft those sleepers.

Listen, I can give you the list of sleepers even before you go out and buy your first fantasy baseball magazine. The list will include Brett Lawrie, Desmond Jennings, Dustin Ackley, Jason Kipnis, David Freese and other players who excelled late last season or in the post-season. In the old days, they were sleepers because most players were asleep at the wheel when they emerged. But not anymore. Now everyone is wide-awake on those guys.

So let’s figure out WHEN these guys are going to be drafted this year and determine whether they still hold value there or if these sleepers are already over-rated. Here’s the list and where you’ll need to grab them:

Desmond Jennings, OF, Rays: Jennings had a chance to replace Carl Crawford to start last season, but was sent to Triple-A Durham where he hit .275-12-39 with 17 stolen bases in 89 games. He became a fantasy sensation after he was called up on July 22, hitting .259-10-25 with 22 stolen bases and 44 runs in 63 games. The power was unexpected and I doubt he hits 20+ homers this year, but the 37 stolen bases in 44 attempts isn’t surprising. He could easily be a .270-15-60-30 guy this year. As a result, he’s been going around the 65th pick in NFBC pay leagues, and Top 20 among all outfielders. If you believe in him, you have to jump up and get him.

Brett Lawrie, 3B, Blue Jays: The British Columbia native and former first round pick of the Brewers is already a big hit in Toronto and he’s quickly becoming a fantasy sensation at a very weak position. Thanks to his 43-game debut late last year when he hit .293-9-25 with seven stolen bases and 26 runs, Lawrie has become one of the first seven third basemen drafted in NFBC leagues. He’s actually going in the Top 62 overall and I’ve even seen him picked ahead of Alex Rodriguez. This position lacks good, young five-category talent and fantasy owners aren’t waiting long to grab this player with so much upside.

Eric Hosmer, 1B, Royals: Hosmer was a sleeper pick last year, but he certainly can’t be considered one this year. Not after he hit .293-19-78-11 with 66 runs in 128 games for the Royals. But I bring him up because he is flying off draft boards like a seasoned vet, so don’t wait if you’re targeting him. He’s mainly going around 40th overall and is easily a Top 7 first baseman. Don’t wait if you think he’s the next sure thing.

David Freese, 3B, Cardinals: The NFBC held a pay draft right after the regular season and Freese went 198th overall. By the time he had led the Cardinals to the World Series title and had secured the MVP award, Freese was being drafted 111th overall. His stock is still on the rise and you can expect him to crack the Top 100 by Draft Day. A lot of his value depends on whether he can stay healthy and whether he continues to hit behind Albert Pujols, if Albert returns to St. Louis. That’s a lot of “ifs”, but this 28-year-old isn’t going to come cheaply in 2012.

Jesus Montero, DH, Yankees: His fantasy value is hurt by the fact that he is Utility-only in most leagues because he DH’d in 14 of 18 MLB games. It’s likely that the Yankees will use him as a fulltime DH, but it’s tough to see a 21-year-old not progress at some position. Either way, fantasy owners saw enough in his MLB debut (.328-4-12 in 61 ABs with a .406 OBP) and in the minors (.288-18-67 in 109 games at Triple A) to target him in 2012. He won’t come cheaply as NFBC owners have grabbed him in the Top 160 recently and I think his stock will rise even more in the coming months.

Mike Moustakas, 3B, Royals: Moustakas didn’t have the type of debut that Hosmer had in 2011, but his stock should be on the rise after his solid finish. In September, he hit .352-4-12 and over the last two months he hit .316-4-20 with an OBP over .350. He’s capable of hitting 15-20 homers with 70+ RBIs and at the age of 23 is a bright spot at a dismal position. He’s one sleeper who folks are still sleeping on as he’s gone around 180th overall in a couple of NFBC drafts. He’s a guy I’m targeting right now because I think his value is going to rise quickly.

Paul Goldschmidt, 1B, Diamondbacks: Goldschmidt successfully made the jump from Double-A to the majors last year and he helped the Diamondbacks and several fantasy teams reach the promised land as well. After hitting .306-30-94 in just 103 games at Double-A Mobile, Goldschmidt was promoted to Arizona and hit .250-8-26 in 48 games. His power is legit and he can hit them out of the park to all fields. He’s being drafted everywhere from the Top 120 to 160, so be prepared. But I expect him to go around the 150 spot and among the Top 17-18 first basemen. There’s still value here.

Jason Kipnis, 2B, Indians: At a very weak offensive position, Kipnis brought us a little reprieve as he hit .272-7-19-5 in just 36 games with the Indians and is now a top sleeper pick for 2012. Kipnis was hitting .280-12-55-12 at Triple-A Columbus at the time of his call-up after hitting above .300 the two previous years in the minors. He has good upside, which would explain why he’s being drafted in the Top 120 right now. You can’t sit back and wait if you want this 24-year-old this year.

Dustin Ackley, 2B, Mariners: The Mariners believe they have found their second sacker as well. The second overall pick of the 2009 draft hit .303-9-35-7 with a .421 OBP at Triple-A Tacoma before getting the call from the Mariners. He impressed over the last 90 games, hitting .273-6-36-6 with a .348 OBP. He needs work defensively, but the bat will perform. Fantasy owners agree and now Ackley is going in the Top 140 overall. Among second basemen, he’s going in the Top 11, just below Kipnis.

It’s good to see so much young talent making an impact in our game. But that young talent with upside doesn’t come cheaply. If you want one of these guys, make sure you know WHEN they are likely to go and step up before then to get them on your roster. It’s now more important to identify WHEN these sleepers are going than identifying WHO the sleepers are.

(Greg Ambrosius is the founder of the National Fantasy Baseball Championship and a member of the Fantasy Sports Writers Association Hall of Fame and the Fantasy Sports Trade Association’s Hall of Fame. For more information on the NFBC, contact him at [email protected] or go to nfbc.stats.com).
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Post by Winston's Empire » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:15 pm

Is Jesus Montero only eligibable at U for the NFBC in 2012?
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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:27 pm

Winston's Empire wrote:Is Jesus Montero only eligibable at U for the NFBC in 2012?
Yes indeed. 14 games at DH with the Yankees and only 3 games at Catcher. DH is a position in the NFBC, so that's where he qualifies.
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Post by Winston's Empire » Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:47 pm

Wow. I thought with all his games at C in the minors, he would still qualify at C for this year. Will be changing that on my spread sheets when I get home tonight. Thanks
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Post by bjoak » Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:00 pm

Hmm. I do agree that young guys can be a little underrated. I think it is mostly due to the "show me twice crowd" who refuse to draft them and leave an opening to grab them a little later than they should be taken. I always thought the best sleepers were guys who had one bad year but their skills were intact.
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Post by Edwards Kings » Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:15 am

Funny. As a show me twice guy, I am always amazed at how over valued young players are even though very few ever live up to the hype! Just different perspectives I guess.
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Post by Bama » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:07 am

Edwards Kings wrote:Funny. As a show me twice guy, I am always amazed at how over valued young players are even though very few ever live up to the hype! Just different perspectives I guess.

When i looked at this list im thinking the same thing. Most of these guys are already being overdrafted it looks like. I guess picking the one or two out of ten that actually lives up to their draft spot is key i guess.

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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:30 am

Bama wrote:
Edwards Kings wrote:Funny. As a show me twice guy, I am always amazed at how over valued young players are even though very few ever live up to the hype! Just different perspectives I guess.

When i looked at this list im thinking the same thing. Most of these guys are already being overdrafted it looks like. I guess picking the one or two out of ten that actually lives up to their draft spot is key i guess.
Correct. That's the point. Right now these upside guys are going higher than I think they should and probably higher than most people who are preparing their Cheat Sheets think they should go four months from now. So while some folks are trying to identify their sleepers, I'm telling them that's the easy part. Getting them on your teams in March is the tough part because they are being drafted higher than you thought and in many cases higher than either you or I would take them.
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Post by bjoak » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:18 am

If they're not going later than the round they should, they're not sleepers. That's the whole definition. As I said, guys who are coming off bad seasons and still have their skills tend to have better sleeper value, imo. Then again, Heyward hasn't shown it even once and is coming off a bad season and he is still apparently a 6th rounder so sleepers are not what they used to be. Oh, well, it's not about making good decisions as much as not making bad ones.
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Post by bjoak » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:31 am

Edwards Kings wrote:Funny. As a show me twice guy, I am always amazed at how over valued young players are even though very few ever live up to the hype! Just different perspectives I guess.
Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. The key is finding the right ones. I thought Morse would perform better than his draft spot; I thought Heyward wouldn't. I thought Stanton was adp'ed accurately. Those were all pretty true. The problem with "show me twice" is it's a blanket statement. To me, it is almost exactly the same as "I like prospects" which no one fesses up to but has just as many victims. I view each case on it's own merit, rather than saying this always works or that never does.
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Post by whipsaw » Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:54 am

bjoak wrote:
Edwards Kings wrote:Funny. As a show me twice guy, I am always amazed at how over valued young players are even though very few ever live up to the hype! Just different perspectives I guess.
Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. The key is finding the right ones. I thought Morse would perform better than his draft spot; I thought Heyward wouldn't. I thought Stanton was adp'ed accurately. Those were all pretty true. The problem with "show me twice" is it's a blanket statement. To me, it is almost exactly the same as "I like prospects" which no one fesses up to but has just as many victims. I view each case on it's own merit, rather than saying this always works or that never does.
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Post by Edwards Kings » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:46 pm

bjoak wrote:
Edwards Kings wrote:Funny. As a show me twice guy, I am always amazed at how over valued young players are even though very few ever live up to the hype! Just different perspectives I guess.
Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. The key is finding the right ones. I thought Morse would perform better than his draft spot; I thought Heyward wouldn't. I thought Stanton was adp'ed accurately. Those were all pretty true. The problem with "show me twice" is it's a blanket statement. To me, it is almost exactly the same as "I like prospects" which no one fesses up to but has just as many victims. I view each case on it's own merit, rather than saying this always works or that never does.
Then we agree, though we came at it differently. I do not ignore the top prospects, but I do not hand them the keys to the city just because they got hot/hyped. To each based on merit, though I do lean towards the guy that has done shown me the money twice or more as opposed to the one-hit wonders.

Now, if I can just put a governor on my man-love for Jason Heyward when he starts breaking windows in cars in spring training again.... :mrgreen:
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Post by bjoak » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:02 pm

I think we mostly agree, but I'm not convinced that is completely true. It sounds like you want less volatility in the players you pick. I have no problem with volatility because I have mean projections that I believe in.

For example, let's say we both have projections for Teixeira and Stanton that are equal (for argument's sake), including 35 homers. Tex goes in the third round and Stanton in the 4th. I think you'd take Tex and feel safe that your 35 homers are in the bank. I'd take Stanton because I get to wait an extra round on him. Is he more volatile than Tex? Probably. But I am fine thinking I will get 45 dingers as easily as 25. Whatever I get, some other volatile player on my team will go the other way and make up for it.
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Post by Edwards Kings » Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:01 pm

I would agree if both Tex and Stanton were going in the third round. Though maybe not for these players, if two players have been projected to have similar stats and were going in the same round, I would generally lean on the player that is more proven (stable). If one was going in the third and one in the fourth, I would measure the opportunity cost versus the volatility, and then I would ask Clum his opinion... :o :D

But I would put you another case. How about the player who, at least a few years into career, displays a single category proficiency previously unseen (high BA, or 25-30 HR power, or 20+ steals for example)? These guys jump up the boards just about as high as the hot rookie. Would you still be able to accept the volatility or like me, would you discount that uptick in stats as a potential outlier?

My guess the answer is "depends on the player". Some very smart guy once said "Chance favors the prepared", so I am guessing you would do you homework, then make the call. Me too, but you are right in that I am probably more conservative than you.
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Post by bjoak » Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:58 pm

Yes, exactly, it would depend. But I think the answer to that is that after researching I'd come up with my best guess (and Doughboys would probably sing "Stuck in the Middle with You") and then I'd draft like it was a fact. If I really had no confidence in my guess, I'd lowball him and still draft like it's a fact.
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Post by Nevadaman » Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:10 pm

David Freese top 100??? :shock: I think one would have to be hitting the crack pipe pretty hard to make that pick!!

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