Top 10 Picks for Busting 2012

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Top 10 Picks for Busting 2012

Post by DOUGHBOYS » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:31 pm

I put this 'down in my neck of the woods', but wanted to stimulate some talk of players here as well.
Read and shoot away :) ....


The one constant that was written about Adam Dunn by EVERYBODY before the 2011 season was that it was almost a guaranteed 35-40 homers.The average was the risk. Thoughts of going to Comiskey (sorry, old school) made dreams of 45 or even 50 home runs dance in drafters heads. Of course, those dreams turned to nightmares as Adam turned to Eve.

In this post, I will give the TOP 10 players who will not play up to their rounds taken in NFBC drafts. I don't look at adps, but I do have a pretty good understanding of where most players are being taken from previous drafts.
Also, I'm not picking any Johnny McDonalds here. These are all players who are being drafted heavily, unlike Johnny or his brother, Ronald.
Alright, here we go....

1. Prince Fielder-
I've seen it happen before, a slugger goes to the American League and flops. Fielder is a masher, no doubt about it. He hit 38 bombs last year. That is good for the fifth best in baseball. Coincidentally, Adam Dunn hit 38 home runs in 2010 and finished fourth in baseball. No comparisons between Fielder and Dunn are needed. They only share brute strength as a common denominator. But both, a year apart will be going through the same thing.
Fielder was a home hitter. He hit .326 at home with 24 homers in the friendly confines of Bernie Brewer. Nine of those home runs would have been caught or off the fence at Comerica. When we think of a Fielder home run, we think of a massive blow. But, he also hits those screaming line drives that do not get much elevation.
Prediction- .265/70/25/85/0 year for him. Well below his draft round.

2. Brett Lawrie-
In the third round now, Lawrie is almost making this too easy. Lawrie has Ryan Braun Syndrome. Drafters do not want to miss out on the early year that Braun had, so they pick Lawrie. Lawrie has never played more than 135 games in a season and flies around the field like a pinball. He could be all that and a sack of Doritos too, but he's gonna get hurt. In your heart, you know it. He's a kid who doesn't play to stay healthy. Nope, he's a balls to the wallser type guy, who will do anything to show how good he is. The talent in undeniable, but even the most talented of 3b have still not found a way to fill our categories from the bench.
Prediction- At least one stint on the dl. If it's a short one, two.

3. Tommy Hanson-
Already saddled with injury concerns, the Braves and Hanson choose this year to change his delivery.
Will the injury manifest itself anyway?
Can Hanson be effective with the new style?
Will other parts of his body be effected by the release point?
These are questions I only want answered if Hanson is on another fantasy team.
Prediction: Half a season's starts.

4. Carl Crawford-
You knew this one was coming, right?
Crawford had a great off season....Well, he must have because drafters are willing to pick him up in a draft again.
Truth is, Crawford is worse off than last year. Last year, he was healthy heading to Boston and would either hit first or second in their lineup. Now, he'll be lucky to hit sixth when coming back from injury.
Crawford lovers always think the next year is the year his power breaks out. The wrist effects power and folks forget that Crawford has never hit more than 19 home runs EVER.
Prediction: Last year or worse

5. Drew Stubbs-
Drew Stubbs is a fantasy baseball player. Much like Alfonso Soriano before getting older. They have more value for fantasy rosters than their real life rosters. Stubbs is fast. THAT, is his main contribution to real baseball. He strikes out more than the Elephant Man in a bar. His home runs are almost always meaningless. He's a poor hitter with runners on the bases. And, despite the speed, he is a below average center fielder.
Prediction: Minor leagues, traded, or benched.

6. Mike Napoli-
C'mon, you know he's not THIS good. Napoli has had his fun. The average goes kaput and he turns from the Napoli of 2011 to the Napoli of old. Sure, the power is real and he'll keep banging homers. Heck, he's led catchers in homers two years in a row.
But, he comes into this season still recovering from the World Series and the effects of long seasons show most on catchers and pitchers.
Prediction: Less in every category, especially average.

7. Alex Rodriguez-
You may say that, 'What? His value (ugh, remember this is you, not me) has already been lowered!'
Well, not enough!
I don't believe in older athletes who lived off steroids during the era. Coming down from that high is tough for all of them. So tough, that some will defy the system and try them again.
ARod would be the player that I would be the least surprised at testing positive for a PED.
Ailing? Check!
Older? Check!
Ego? Check!
I won't go on to predict a 50 game penalty, but I think ARod depended on Mothers Little Helper more than we know.
Prediction: ARod plays in 75 games.

8. Addison Reed-
Last year it was that kid from Tampa. What was his name again?
Yeah, you forgot too, right?
His name was Jake McGee and he was gonna close games for Tampa straight from the minors.
A funny thing happens to fellas like this. Their Manager decides they don't want to risk THEIR jobs by putting the closer job in the hands of a rookie.
I doubt that Robin Ventura will feel any differently.
Prediction: Reed = McGee

9. Hanley Ramirez-
Maybe I have him pegged wrong. The talent from the shoulders on down is wonderful. A ninety cent body and a ten cent head. My perception of Hanley is of a player that when he wants to do something, he'll do it. Only, it has to be at his pace, of his decision, and if a Manager or player is there to tell him how wonderful he is.
Hanley has always been the BIG Man on Campus for the Marlins. Since Stanton and Morrison and now Reyes and Ozzie have come in to steal his spotlight, Hanley will be Hanley. I don't think it'll be good.
Prediction: A trade could take him out of this top 10. If not, a lot of games missed and a lot of sulking. You will not want to own him.

10. Roy Halladay-
Surprise!
I know, he's bullet proof, right?
Coming down the stretch last year, Doc turned from superHuman to mere human.
He works so hard and is such a master, that this is the only player that I truly hope I'm wrong about.
I love everything about Halladay, just as I loved everything about Willie Mays as he aged.
But age is the one common enemy that has defeated every player who ever took the field....well, except Jamie Moyer.
Prediction: 15 wins and just ok peripherals, the beginning of the end.


So, there you have it.
Shoot away! Surely I've taken a shot at somebody you drafted. Heck, I've taken a shot at myself, one of these players fell enough ina league to where I even took him (Stubbs). Bad mojo for me!

Any way, who are your decliners for 2012 or where am I wrong in my predictions.
Lets have it!
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Re: Top 10 Picks for Busting 2012

Post by Hells Satans » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:40 pm

Love your posts, Dough, and agree with most here, but you're sniffing glue in Halladay.

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Post by gpchurchill » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:47 pm

5. Drew Stubbs-
strikes out more than the Elephant Man in a bar.

I'm still laughing.

11. David Wright. Needs more than closer fences to right what is wrong. Back injuries come back.

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Post by Winston's Empire » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:57 pm

I think you are pretty dead nuts on most of these Dough. I like the Hanley one the best. Ozzie came out and said that Hanley isn't real happy with being pushed to 3B now and its something they are working on! HERE WE GO!!! I predict he is traded to Boston by the Break and we all know how much fun its going to be to watch Bobby V go Bobby V on Hanley :o
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Post by PGromek » Thu Feb 16, 2012 12:58 pm

1. Eric Hosmer - good young hitter but nothing jumps out at me to justify the ADP

2. Desmond Jennings - another guy I like but ADP is starting to creep higher and higher

3. Hanley Ramirez - talented but I'm not sure he cares

4. Tim Lincecum - trends pointing in the wrong direction

5. Nelson Cruz - always hurt and on the wrong side of 30. may stop running.

6. Asdrubal Cabrera - not sure the power is repeatable

7. Chase Utley - body may be breaking down...in decline phase

8. Buster Posey/Joe Mauer - need to see health and power return before I invest in either

9. Michael Pineda - how will he adjust to New York? I'll probably let someone else find out

10. Alexei Ramirez - not sure why he gets so much love every year

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Post by The Mighty Men » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:02 pm

You forgot one major issue with Napoli - his ankle is still problematic. That will affect his power.
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Post by ToddZ » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:03 pm

I'll bite on Reed/McGee, as I see two major flaws with the scenario laid out

1. MANAGERS - I don't see it as either guy needing to keep his job. Maddon was more worried about finishing ahead of either BOS or NYY and trusted the vet more, and the vet came through. Ventura just got the job, he has some wiggle room. He needs to find out if Viciedo's bat will mature, if De Aza can get on base, if Flowers is more than a backup C/1B/DH, if Morel's stick will improve enough to keep him glove in the lineup and if Reed is his closer for the next 5 years.

2. REED v McGEE - Two different situations. McGee is the starter, converted to relief because there were better starters ahead of him in the system and he showed some promise in relief when they did the David Price thing with him to fortify their bullpen down the stretch in 2010. Reed is the reliever being groomed to close (which is no longer something that never happens - Street, League, Storen off the top of my head) that showed UNREAL peripherals in the minors and held his own in the bigs for a short sample.

Farnsworth was given first shot and demonstrated the previous season's improvement in BB/9 was real and held the job.

For a comparison, think about what happened in LAA. Rodney showed his improvement was NOT real, Walden stepped in and did what many thought (hoped?) McGee would do. This time last season, both McGee and Walden were talked about as guys having the chance to take over, one did, one did not.

I actually like Matt Thornton and think he got screwed by Juan Pierre's inability to catch fly balls in two April games last season. But, I think Reed has the pedigree of a great closer, more like Storen than McGee or Walden, so

Reed 2012 = Storen 2011 (who did not have the job full time in April)
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Post by Edwards Kings » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:20 pm

DOUGHBOYS wrote:3. Tommy Hanson-
Already saddled with injury concerns, the Braves and Hanson choose this year to change his delivery.
Will the injury manifest itself anyway?
Can Hanson be effective with the new style?
Will other parts of his body be effected by the release point?
These are questions I only want answered if Hanson is on another fantasy team.
Prediction: Half a season's starts.
The Atlanta Jerknal-Constipation is following this so close as to actually out in front of it. Supposedly Hanson came to the Braves to see about changing his motion rather than the club trying to force it on him. If that is true, there might be some hope because if Hanson asked for it, maybe he will stick with it. McDowell is implying that the new motion is already all but natural for Hanson. Next of course he will say that Hanson is in the best shape of his life, etc, etc.

Spring training will tell. Hopefully he will adopt the new motion, be able to hold runners on better, preserve the shoulder that he rehabbed (i.e. has a small tear in the rotator cuff, but no surgery) and not have to rely on the slider quite so much. If...if...if...
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Post by headhunters » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:39 pm

Is the atlantic journal following it as closely as those mlb "insiders" were following where fielder, pujols and cespedes were going to land? Twenty "insiders", getting paid about 20 million and had about 75 guesses and were 0-75. Seriously- I had to adjust my rankings for "highest paying jobs where you never have to be right". Now= 1) major league insiders 2) economist 3) weather person.

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Post by Edwards Kings » Thu Feb 16, 2012 1:44 pm

headhunters wrote:Is the atlantic journal following it as closely as those mlb "insiders" were following where fielder, pujols and cespedes were going to land? Twenty "insiders", getting paid about 20 million and had about 75 guesses and were 0-75. Seriously- I had to adjust my rankings for "highest paying jobs where you never have to be right". Now= 1) major league insiders 2) economist 3) weather person.
Not quite like that. Just homey news.

Much more ink on Hanson than Hudson, Jurrjens, Pastornicky, and Heyward combined IMHO.
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Post by Hells Satans » Thu Feb 16, 2012 2:22 pm

Even assuming he is healthy, changing your mechanics and motion is a big deal. How does it affect his command? Velocity?

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Post by BK METS » Thu Feb 16, 2012 3:35 pm

I love the fact that dough picked some unlikely busts like Halladay. Everyone is on the Carl Crawford and Arod bust bandwagon, but I think they already busted last year, and I am going the opposite way. I think Crawford and Arod have big bounce back seasons. Though Crawford is hurt to start the season, the injury will not have an effect, once he is back in the lineup. He has something to prove with that big contract and he will go out of his way to do it, by stealing 50+ bases. And Arod has a lot to prove as well. Is he a real superstar or just a steroid phenom? I think he bounces back in a big way.

My busts:

1) Curtis Granderson - He exploded in 2011, and is now an ADP 1st round pick. He will still go 20/20 at least, but his average will drop significantly (its not that good to begin with) and the power will be way down.
2) Jose Reyes - A career year in 2011, playing for a contract. Now, settled in and comfortable in Miami, he will go back to his typical .280 BA and 40 games on the DL with a hamstring...
3) Pablo Sandoval - His ADP is end of the 3rd round!!! He is, at best, an average power hitter that hits for a good average, but his weight issues, amongst other things, will drop him significantly this year.
4) Ian Kennedy - He is just not that good
5) James Shields - Some of his numbers last year are just mind boggling, considering he played against the Red Sox and Yankees all year, but he will come back to reality and lock it up for an ERA in the upper 3's for "big game"
6) Chase Utley - Still being drafted in the first 5 rounds... but he is going to fall even further after another dissappointing season.
7) Mariano Rivera - This will be the year he finally hits a wall. (I think I have said the same thing now for 4 straight years) He will retire after this season, opening the door for David Robertson
8) JJ Hardy - Cut his HR's in half - That's about it
9) Jose Valverde - He will lose his job by the end of the year. He had a career year, but has never been dominating
10) Yu Darvish - A lot of hype, but really.. haven't we seen this scenario before?

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