The Slow Draft Dilema

[Money]

Time Limit for Draft: There will be an 8-hour time limit for each owner to make his/her pick during each round of the NFBC Slow Draft DC League draft.

Agree with this completely. I know everyone likes to go back to the fact that these are "slow" drafts, but slow doesn't mean taking 4-8 hours on every pick. Slow means, you are not up against a 90 second clock. The 8 hour limit is there for the purposes of overnight and unforseen circumstances. Joe shows you that the numbers don't work, even if everyone simply took 2 hours per pick. I have been "guilty" of trying to gather phone numbers for text purposes, so the draft can move along. I have made it a priority that if I am not going to be around for my pick, I either go on auto one or try and pick from my phone. I think this needs to be stressed so we are not faced with issues in these leagues going forward. It has been a great success and I know it will be a future hit, but I think you will get even more signups if you didn't have people in these drafts that really don't care to be considerate. Yes they are within the rules, but the 8 hour rule is being mis-interpreted and needs to be clarified.

Show me where the rules say slow doesn't mean taking 4-8 hours per pick. They don't. The rules say nothing about the hour limit being there for overnight or unforeseen circumstances.

The rules say everyone has eight hours to make a selection. Each round. The ones misinterpreting the rule as written are the ones trying to rush other owners.

Simply do the math, your thought process is exactly why this conversation is taking place. 8 hours per selection equals an 8 month draft. It's not what the NFBC had in mind. Come to think of it this could open up another market for the NFBC. You and those that think like you can start a slow draft for the upcoming 2013 baseball season. You'll be done just in time. There is simply no reason to join one of these and use multiple hours for every pick.

[BK METS]

Time Limit for Draft: There will be an 8-hour time limit for each owner to make his/her pick during each round of the NFBC Slow Draft DC League draft.

Agree with this completely. I know everyone likes to go back to the fact that these are "slow" drafts, but slow doesn't mean taking 4-8 hours on every pick. Slow means, you are not up against a 90 second clock. The 8 hour limit is there for the purposes of overnight and unforseen circumstances. Joe shows you that the numbers don't work, even if everyone simply took 2 hours per pick. I have been "guilty" of trying to gather phone numbers for text purposes, so the draft can move along. I have made it a priority that if I am not going to be around for my pick, I either go on auto one or try and pick from my phone. I think this needs to be stressed so we are not faced with issues in these leagues going forward. It has been a great success and I know it will be a future hit, but I think you will get even more signups if you didn't have people in these drafts that really don't care to be considerate. Yes they are within the rules, but the 8 hour rule is being mis-interpreted and needs to be clarified.

Show me where the rules say slow doesn't mean taking 4-8 hours per pick. They don't. The rules say nothing about the hour limit being there for overnight or unforeseen circumstances.

The rules say everyone has eight hours to make a selection. Each round. The ones misinterpreting the rule as written are the ones trying to rush other owners.

This comment doesn't even warrant a response but obviously coming from someone who doesn't even participate in slow drafts, its rather humerous. No one is rushing anyone. We are all making suggestions on how to improve a very successful format to greater heights. Those who REGULARLY participate in slow drafts know what issues have been arising and have had some very good ideas. The abuse of the 8 hour clock is only by a few and it appears most have been doing it to spite. Including the guy in our current slow draft that actually changed his team name to "team rain delay" and his logo is a picture of a snail. True story.

[Money Men]

Simply do the math, your thought process is exactly why this conversation is taking place. 8 hours per selection equals an 8 month draft. It's not what the NFBC had in mind. Come to think of it this could open up another market for the NFBC. You and those that think like you can start a slow draft for the upcoming 2013 baseball season. You'll be done just in time. There is simply no reason to join one of these and use multiple hours for every pick.

I am glad I can make you laugh, BK. Like Valvano said, laugh a little every day and you'll lead a full life.

You are misinterpreting my argument. I'm not arguing this style of drafting is considerate. I am merely pointing out that no player in the NFBC has any right to complain about another player in any of the contests when the player is following the rules of the contest. Why is that concept hard to grasp? Your issue should be with the rule, not with your peer who is playing within the written rules of the contest.

You can do all the math you want. You can apply the same concept to the ME. 15 players, 30 rounds, 450 picks, 450 minutes. If every player took the full 60, that's 7 hrs, 30 minutes. How many guys want to sit through a seven and a half hour draft? None.

But let's say you are signed up for the 1 pm Main and the 7 pm XII in Jersey, and I'm only signed up for the Main. If that draft goes seven and a half hours, you would have a decision to make. Now it would be absolutely inconsiderate of me to take the full 60 seconds allotted to me every pick. But it would be well within the rules, and it would be to my advantage in the contest to do so.

My only point - and granted it a long winded one - is this: It is not my reponsibility as a drafter to see that the slow draft finishes by Opening Day, just as it is not my reponsibility in the second scenario to get you to the XII on time. As long as the rules are written the way they currently are written, no player in this game has any right to complain about another player who is following the rules.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Let me just weigh into this passionate discussion and give you my perspective here:

1. The Slow Draft season has been INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL. More successful than I ever could have imagined and I believe we have built something here that will continue to grow each season if it's nurtured properly. Yes there are things we can improve upon and yes there are things that our owners can do better with the tools and rules in place. But for the most part it's been an incredible success. There is no way that 80 or 90 percent of folks are complaining about the length of time it takes for these drafts to finish.

2. What can be done to improve the process? Well, first of all it's not changing the time allowed. 8 hours allows folks to sleep at night. If we shorten it to 6 hours or 4 hours or whatever, it makes it a burden to be in these leagues. And someone will still complain that someone isn't picking fast enough. That's not the solution. What we need to do is define the 8 hours better in our rules, possibly make a video showing how the One Round Que can be used and the Slow Draft is supposed to work, and then look at even expanding the Auto One Round feature. If more people would feel more comfortable with the Auto Pick feature it could move these along a little better. Multiple Round Ques is probably the answer down the road.

3. I'm not a big believer in the government solving EVERY problem for us, so some of these things have to be worked out within the league. But if one person is holding up the entire league, contact me and I'll reach out to that person and explain the situation. We had one league this weekend that was really dragging and I jumped in to tell folks to pick it up and everyone picked up the pace. That league is now back on track with all of the other ones that drafted at that time. Sometimes a friendly reminder from the Commish helps. That's better than some of the other suggestions here.

4. I probably wouldn't split East Coast and West Coast drafters myself, but it is something folks can look at next year when signing up. Maybe for the next $150 Slow Draft people create their own regions and we don't fill them until 15 owners are in those regions. That can easily be done.

In all, it comes down to each individual to help make the process work. We have so many unique individuals in this contest that no matter what rules I put in place there will be at least one owner who wants to circumvent them or at least take them to the last letter of the law. I realize that. That's why I don't over-regulate with laws. I trust that everyone will man up and do the right thing. At the end of the day, we'll finish 70 Slow Draft Leagues this year, all of them were done on time, it sure seemed like most everyone had fun and all 70 leagues should be good, close battles. Can we improve on the process for next year? Of course we can and we will. But each individual has to help no matter what rules we put in place or we'll have the same issues again next year.

Thanks all.

[Outlaw]

Let me just weigh into this passionate discussion and give you my perspective here:

1. The Slow Draft season has been INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL. More successful than I ever could have imagined and I believe we have built something here that will continue to grow each season if it's nurtured properly. Yes there are things we can improve upon and yes there are things that our owners can do better with the tools and rules in place. But for the most part it's been an incredible success. There is no way that 80 or 90 percent of folks are complaining about the length of time it takes for these drafts to finish.

2. What can be done to improve the process? Well, first of all it's not changing the time allowed. 8 hours allows folks to sleep at night. If we shorten it to 6 hours or 4 hours or whatever, it makes it a burden to be in these leagues. And someone will still complain that someone isn't picking fast enough. That's not the solution. What we need to do is define the 8 hours better in our rules, possibly make a video showing how the One Round Que can be used and the Slow Draft is supposed to work, and then look at even expanding the Auto One Round feature. If more people would feel more comfortable with the Auto Pick feature it could move these along a little better. Multiple Round Ques is probably the answer down the road.

3. I'm not a big believer in the government solving EVERY problem for us, so some of these things have to be worked out within the league. But if one person is holding up the entire league, contact me and I'll reach out to that person and explain the situation. We had one league this weekend that was really dragging and I jumped in to tell folks to pick it up and everyone picked up the pace. That league is now back on track with all of the other ones that drafted at that time. Sometimes a friendly reminder from the Commish helps. That's better than some of the other suggestions here.

4. I probably wouldn't split East Coast and West Coast drafters myself, but it is something folks can look at next year when signing up. Maybe for the next $150 Slow Draft people create their own regions and we don't fill them until 15 owners are in those regions. That can easily be done.

In all, it comes down to each individual to help make the process work. We have so many unique individuals in this contest that no matter what rules I put in place there will be at least one owner who wants to circumvent them or at least take them to the last letter of the law. I realize that. That's why I don't over-regulate with laws. I trust that everyone will man up and do the right thing. At the end of the day, we'll finish 70 Slow Draft Leagues this year, all of them were done on time, it sure seemed like most everyone had fun and all 70 leagues should be good, close battles. Can we improve on the process for next year? Of course we can and we will. But each individual has to help no matter what rules we put in place or we'll have the same issues again next year.

Thanks all.

Greg- to clarify what I meant- 80-90% of owners pick fast or are considerate, not that they are complaining. every one i was in has 2-3 that were always close to the 8 hr limit. the other owners were generally no more than an hour tops all draft long.

[Money]

Let me just weigh into this passionate discussion and give you my perspective here:

1. The Slow Draft season has been INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL. More successful than I ever could have imagined and I believe we have built something here that will continue to grow each season if it's nurtured properly. Yes there are things we can improve upon and yes there are things that our owners can do better with the tools and rules in place. But for the most part it's been an incredible success. There is no way that 80 or 90 percent of folks are complaining about the length of time it takes for these drafts to finish.

2. What can be done to improve the process? Well, first of all it's not changing the time allowed. 8 hours allows folks to sleep at night. If we shorten it to 6 hours or 4 hours or whatever, it makes it a burden to be in these leagues. And someone will still complain that someone isn't picking fast enough. That's not the solution. What we need to do is define the 8 hours better in our rules, possibly make a video showing how the One Round Que can be used and the Slow Draft is supposed to work, and then look at even expanding the Auto One Round feature. If more people would feel more comfortable with the Auto Pick feature it could move these along a little better. Multiple Round Ques is probably the answer down the road.

3. I'm not a big believer in the government solving EVERY problem for us, so some of these things have to be worked out within the league. But if one person is holding up the entire league, contact me and I'll reach out to that person and explain the situation. We had one league this weekend that was really dragging and I jumped in to tell folks to pick it up and everyone picked up the pace. That league is now back on track with all of the other ones that drafted at that time. Sometimes a friendly reminder from the Commish helps. That's better than some of the other suggestions here.

4. I probably wouldn't split East Coast and West Coast drafters myself, but it is something folks can look at next year when signing up. Maybe for the next $150 Slow Draft people create their own regions and we don't fill them until 15 owners are in those regions. That can easily be done.

In all, it comes down to each individual to help make the process work. We have so many unique individuals in this contest that no matter what rules I put in place there will be at least one owner who wants to circumvent them or at least take them to the last letter of the law. I realize that. That's why I don't over-regulate with laws. I trust that everyone will man up and do the right thing. At the end of the day, we'll finish 70 Slow Draft Leagues this year, all of them were done on time, it sure seemed like most everyone had fun and all 70 leagues should be good, close battles. Can we improve on the process for next year? Of course we can and we will. But each individual has to help no matter what rules we put in place or we'll have the same issues again next year.

Thanks all.

Greg,

Thank you very much for your response. I would like to make some short comments in regards to them and then I will move on.

1. I agree 80 - 90 percent of participants are not complaining, but I promise you 80 - 90 percent would like to see this improved.

2. The best part of your response is the statement, "What we need to do is define the 8 hours better in our rules". The ultimate response that comes back from the "Ultra" slow players is that they are playing within the rules, period, end of discussion. This leads to lengthy delays. If you spell out the "Intent" of the 8 hours, I think it would help immensely.Education on the use of auto and auto- one will also be a big help.

3. I believe in this also, the problem is that no matter how politely worded (inter league communication) it is always taken in a very negative light. The push from the commish is most effective. But ultimately it comes back to, "It's my right, I'm playing within the rules".

4. I don't think east coast / west coast will make any difference. I personally would like to see each player assigned the same amount of time. Be it 40 hours to manage the 50 rounds or something like that. For certain individuals to take 300 hours during the course of the draft is counter productive to the NFBC's goals.

In your summation you mention the "Letter of the law". Ultimately it's the slow draft curse. Seventy leagues is awesome and the 10 grand top prize is even more awesome. There is still room to grow. Many that don't voice their opinions do with their participation decisions. I would have played in one more this year and I'm sure many other would have as well. Some will avoid participation to avoid the aggravation. Not the masses but a few more than you may think.

This sounds like a great topic for a survey. You will then truly find out how 90 - 98 percent of the players feel about the issues at hand here. I'm done,(I'm pretty sure) thanks for listening.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Joe, I'm not sure how you would even program something to add up the number of minutes a person takes to draft and then penalize them for going over that limit. I mean, if you're going to do that in Slow Drafts then you have to do that in Satellite Leagues and Online Championships. Isn't there at least one owner in each online draft who takes the full 90 seconds and makes those go longer? But it's everyone's right there and we don't add up their number of seconds used per draft and then find a way to penalize them later. Same with live drafts; someone always takes his full 60 seconds when others are ready to go. It's the nature of the beast.

But I see the reasoning for the request. It's a viable request, just not practical from a programming standpoint for this one format. But we'll look at everything before football and see what can be done to make this better. It will never be perfect, but hopefully better.

[Steel Lugnuts]

2. What can be done to improve the process? Well, first of all it's not changing the time allowed. 8 hours allows folks to sleep at night. If we shorten it to 6 hours or 4 hours or whatever, it makes it a burden to be in these leagues.

The only item I'd add to this is, turn the draft timer off from mid-night until 6am (or something like that), but still allow draft picks to be made during this time frame. This keeps the draft moving for those that stay up, and allows a peaceful nights sleep knowing the timer won't kick in until around the time you wake up!

I've been in football leagues that did this and it worked out great.

[ToddZ]

I am only saying this half tongue-in-cheek, but what if they are called something other than "Slow Drafts", because the other party line is "they are called slow for a reason."

NFBC FAAB-u-less is a little too corny, but an apt description.

NFBC-50 D&H? (Draft and Hold)

[Greg Ambrosius]

I am only saying this half tongue-in-cheek, but what if they are called something other than "Slow Drafts", because the other party line is "they are called slow for a reason."

NFBC FAAB-u-less is a little too corny, but an apt description.

NFBC-50 D&H? (Draft and Hold)

I think the Draft 'n Hold name has merit. It's definitely worth considering for the future.

[Greg Ambrosius]

2. What can be done to improve the process? Well, first of all it's not changing the time allowed. 8 hours allows folks to sleep at night. If we shorten it to 6 hours or 4 hours or whatever, it makes it a burden to be in these leagues.

The only item I'd add to this is, turn the draft timer off from mid-night until 6am (or something like that), but still allow draft picks to be made during this time frame. This keeps the draft moving for those that stay up, and allows a peaceful nights sleep knowing the timer won't kick in until around the time you wake up!

I've been in football leagues that did this and it worked out great.

6 am ET?? 6 am PT?? Midnight ET or Midnight PT??

It's not that easy for a national contest that has 70+ leagues with people all across not only the country but the world playing this. It's something at night everyone will have to work through, while still getting enough beauty sleep for our spouses to still love us.

[BK METS]

I am only saying this half tongue-in-cheek, but what if they are called something other than "Slow Drafts", because the other party line is "they are called slow for a reason."

NFBC FAAB-u-less is a little too corny, but an apt description.

NFBC-50 D&H? (Draft and Hold)

I think the Draft 'n Hold name has merit. It's definitely worth considering for the future.

Or simply Draft Champions (Or is that name taken?)

[Greg Ambrosius]

I am only saying this half tongue-in-cheek, but what if they are called something other than "Slow Drafts", because the other party line is "they are called slow for a reason."

NFBC FAAB-u-less is a little too corny, but an apt description.

NFBC-50 D&H? (Draft and Hold)

I think the Draft 'n Hold name has merit. It's definitely worth considering for the future.

Or simply Draft Champions (Or is that name taken?)

That's what we call our football Draft 'n Hold leagues. Not a bad idea.

[Steel Lugnuts]

2. What can be done to improve the process? Well, first of all it's not changing the time allowed. 8 hours allows folks to sleep at night. If we shorten it to 6 hours or 4 hours or whatever, it makes it a burden to be in these leagues.

The only item I'd add to this is, turn the draft timer off from mid-night until 6am (or something like that), but still allow draft picks to be made during this time frame. This keeps the draft moving for those that stay up, and allows a peaceful nights sleep knowing the timer won't kick in until around the time you wake up!

I've been in football leagues that did this and it worked out great.

6 am ET?? 6 am PT?? Midnight ET or Midnight PT??

It's not that easy for a national contest that has 70+ leagues with people all across not only the country but the world playing this. It's something at night everyone will have to work through, while still getting enough beauty sleep for our spouses to still love us.

Seeing that the majority of drafters are in the EST/CST time zone, you would do 12am EST to 7am EST (11pm CST to 6am CST)...and too be honest, it's kind of irrelevant what time zone, as the timer is just "suspended", the draft isn't stopped and is still active.

Either way, I was in two slow drafts and had no issues, besides the constant e-mail notifications the second I was on the clock...so remaining status quo would be fine by me, I knew going in the timer was 8hrs, seems crazy people are complaining about it.

[Steel Lugnuts]

I should mention the "constant e-mail notifications" were from a particular league member, not from NFBC!

[morons]

If you are sitting in the Live Draft Room in Vegas or NY or wherever in the next few weeks for the Main Event or NFBC XII and some joker was sitting there complaining that the draft was too slow or nagging people when their pick was up, what would you think??

If you think that would be unacceptable behavior for a live draft (which I think most of us would agree is), then why is it ok for people to do it in the slow drafts?

If you love fantasy baseball so much, why are you in a hurry to finish your draft?

If you have a problem with a specific person being consistently slow, you should tell Tom or Greg and let them handle it. Deciding to "take the law into your own hands" and sending annoying emails to the league will almost always bring you some sort of criticism in return.

Anyone doing a slow draft league has to have patience and tolerance. Its 9pm now here on the west coast, I'm all ready to draft, but both of my slow drafts are stalled because its midnight on the east and most of the drafters are in bed. Thats just how it goes. I'm not waking up early to pick, so in return they'll have to wait for me if they get to my pick too early in the am. One can't expect 14 other people to conform to their schedules.

Regarding "Autopick"...Good for 1st round and once the draft gets beyond round 20 or so, but its not always to your advantage to do it in earlier rounds.....Consider this situation. You are in the 5th spot and your 4th and 5th rounders are approaching. You want 3B and 2B with your next two picks. You have 5 guys at each position that you are targeting as the 4th round starts. If there is a run on 3B and 4 of the 5 3B you are interested in get picked before you but all 5 2B are still left when your pick comes up, you should probably take the lone 3B left on your list first and try to get one of the 5 2B in your queue with your 5th round pick as its more likely that the last 3B would be taken by teams 1-4 who pick twice between you than it is that all 5 of the 2B get drafted (not always the case of course, but most likely)...Now if you were being a swell guy (or gal) and set your team on "Auto One Round" because you wanted to make the draft move along but you ranked the 2B ahead of the 3B, then when the run on 3B occurs, you wouldn't know it and you'd be stuck taking the 2B at the top of your list and possibly miss out on that last 3B if team 1-4 used one of their two picks to take him......So you could sabotage your own team by trying to be nice and proactive to make others happy.

Im having fun with the drafts as-is. Slow draft 48 is about to start Round 20. We started last Monday. I'm not worried about not being done by the start of the season. The "What if everyone took 8 hr" argument is theoretical but not actual. Most people are reasonable with their picking.

The only thing that I think is wrong is intentionally stalling your pick when you know you are up. Unless anyone can prove that someone is doing that, I don't think there is much of a case. (any judge would tell you that the letter of the law is objective, the spirit of the law is subjective and trying to decipher someones intentions is pretty hard to do, so why let it frustrate you if they haven't broken any rules??)

See you in Vegas

MORONS

[bankerboy]

..... while still getting enough beauty sleep for our spouses to still love us.

Amen.

I'm participating in my first NFBC slow draft this year and so far am enjoying the process. We do have a handful of "slower" drafters, but we're still on a reasonable pace.

The one suggestion I would make would be to allow a text message setup. While the emails about picks are great, I know I'd welcome a setup where I could configure it to receive a text when I was on-the-clock.

[TrustInBill]

If this can be programmed in, my suggestion is to keep the 8 hour limit, but also give each owner a "time bank" of 24 hours to make their 50 picks. If an owner uses up their time bank, they will be limited to 15 minutes per pick for the rest of the draft.

Doing the math, the draft could not take longer than 15 days (24 hours x 15 owners), and that is if every owner used their entire time bank, which is unlikely.

Thus, if you have an emergency at home or at work, or you happen to go on the clock right after you go to sleep, and have to take most of the 8 hours, fine - you can do that, but not throughout the draft. Owners will quickly realize that they need to use the 1 round auto pick whenever they can, or they may run out of time if they need it at the end of the draft. When I have to wait 8 hours for the same annoying owner to make their pick, I have the peace of mind of knowing that after 2 or 3 of these delays, this is not going to happen again. And the draft is guaranteed to end within 15 days.

I have enjoyed the Slow Drafts that I have done in baseball and in football, but this would be a more enjoyable experience if this type of structure was in place. Relying on etiquete, is just not going to work.

[Steel Lugnuts]

Wow, this could quite possibly be the dumbest and most useless post I've read in a long time...I would suggest you stay away from "slow drafts" in the future and focus on fast drafts!

The goal of "slow drafts" is not "And the draft is guaranteed to end within 15 days."

[Greg Ambrosius]

..... while still getting enough beauty sleep for our spouses to still love us.

Amen.

I'm participating in my first NFBC slow draft this year and so far am enjoying the process. We do have a handful of "slower" drafters, but we're still on a reasonable pace.

The one suggestion I would make would be to allow a text message setup. While the emails about picks are great, I know I'd welcome a setup where I could configure it to receive a text when I was on-the-clock.

Yes, good suggestion and another step that might speed up the process. We have considered this and will look into this.

[TrustInBill]

Glad you liked my post, Lugnuts.

Nevertheless, you made may point as to why we need some kind of time bank and we cannot simply rely on etiquette to make these work. There is such a disparity between your point of view and the comments I have seen from others who I have drafted with. Some people believe that you should only draft in these if you can interrupt your home and work schedule whenever you are on the clock. These owners get ticked off as soon as an hour goes by and someone has not made their pick. Others, believe that they can routinely take 6-8 hours to make their pick without any even giving their fellow drafters a "heads up" that they may not be available for some time. Those owners are routinely harassed in these drafts by the first group, and vice-versa.

You stereotyped me incorrectly. Frankly, I fall in the middle of this group. I prefer the slow drafts because I am not as prepared in baseball as I am in football. I need time to make my picks. I also have a home and work schedule that does not always allow me to make immediate picks, but in some drafts this has gone too far.

My last slow draft just finished in 18 days. That timeframe was fine.

The 15 days was just an example. You could do 33 hours per owner which is 21 days. I would be ok with that as well. My point is I would like to see a little more structure to the format, and eliminate the bickering that I have seen between owners in every draft as to how fast this is supposed to go.

Whether you agree with my point or not, hopefully I have clarified this.

[BK METS]

Glad you liked my post, Lugnuts.

Nevertheless, you made may point as to why we need some kind of time bank and we cannot simply rely on etiquette to make these work. There is such a disparity between your point of view and the comments I have seen from others who I have drafted with. Some people believe that you should only draft in these if you can interrupt your home and work schedule whenever you are on the clock. These owners get ticked off as soon as an hour goes by and someone has not made their pick. Others, believe that they can routinely take 6-8 hours to make their pick without any even giving their fellow drafters a "heads up" that they may not be available for some time. Those owners are routinely harassed in these drafts by the first group, and vice-versa.

You stereotyped me incorrectly. Frankly, I fall in the middle of this group. I prefer the slow drafts because I am not as prepared in baseball as I am in football. I need time to make my picks. I also have a home and work schedule that does not always allow me to make immediate picks, but in some drafts this has gone too far.

My last slow draft just finished in 18 days. That timeframe was fine.

The 15 days was just an example. You could do 33 hours per owner which is 21 days. I would be ok with that as well. My point is I would like to see a little more structure to the format, and eliminate the bickering that I have seen between owners in every draft as to how fast this is supposed to go.

Whether you agree with my point or not, hopefully I have clarified this.

Currently, we have an owner who single handedly will make our draft last 4-5 weeks and possibly into the season, if it continues. He has let the timer go on the 8 hour clock 7 times. He has taken over 6 hours another 10 times. As I mentioned before, he changed his team name to "Team Rain Delay" and has again, after a warning from Greg yesterday, taken 12 hours to pick twice today and when asked to try auto-one, his response was "deal with it". He is the example of the problem. Not the guys/gals who are taking 2-4 hours or even longer, with some of their picks, but when available, are making an effort. This guy is mocking the league with his etiquette and his team name and doesn't give a crap. In addition, his team "logo" is a picture of a snail.

[rockitsauce]

Currently, we have an owner who single handedly will make our draft last 4-5 weeks and possibly into the season, if it continues. He has let the timer go on the 8 hour clock 7 times. He has taken over 6 hours another 10 times. As I mentioned before, he changed his team name to "Team Rain Delay" and has again, after a warning from Greg yesterday, taken 12 hours to pick twice today and when asked to try auto-one, his response was "deal with it". He is the example of the problem. Not the guys/gals who are taking 2-4 hours or even longer, with some of their picks, but when available, are making an effort. This guy is mocking the league with his etiquette and his team name and doesn't give a crap. In addition, his team "logo" is a picture of a snail.

Alan, sorry you have such a tool in your league there. wow. He is showing Marcel to be a rank amateur seems he has an axe to grind, quite obvious w/ his antics. Hey, it'll be over before ya know it.

However this thread is 4 pgs long and we get it. Some ppl take longer than others. I know that I could do a slow draft if it took a wk, maybe 10 days..outside of that I'm too impatient. I know this. I'm not gonna expect 14 other ppl in diff. time zones w/ work/family etc to conform to my desire for a fast draft. So you know what I do ? I spend my $ elsewhere here in the greatest fantasy contest in the world.

No reason to get bent outa shape

[Captain Hook]

BK Mets - WHO is this owner? Everyone should be aware..... especially if he is going to show up for one of the live drafts

[Fourslot40]

Why would it matter if he showed up for live drafts? He has less than two minutes per pick with a facilitator.