Bryce Harper Called Up

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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by Gekko » Thu May 03, 2012 1:44 pm

is he worth a bid in a 15 teamer, sure, if u are desperate for OF. even then, he's similar to most $10-$20 FAAB targets that gets recycled each week via FAAB

in a 12 teamer, he's not even worth a bid

hype > production :lol: 8-)

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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by ALL-IN JD » Thu May 03, 2012 2:49 pm

If only he was matching the production you were getting from Bauer right now! :-)

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Post by G1AZM » Thu May 03, 2012 2:51 pm

Gekko wrote:is he worth a bid in a 15 teamer, sure, if u are desperate for OF. even then, he's similar to most $10-$20 FAAB targets that gets recycled each week via FAAB

in a 12 teamer, he's not even worth a bid

hype > production :lol: 8-)
FP Santangelo would disagree with you. His quote last night was brilliant, "It's like watching Roy Hobbs before the gunshot wound."

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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by Gekko » Thu May 03, 2012 3:38 pm

ALL-IN JD wrote:If only he was matching the production you were getting from Bauer right now! :-)
i didn't expect bauer to be up until Super 2.

harper couldn't succeed vs AA pitchers, but somehow he's gonna be good vs major league pitchers? :lol:
it's clear the Nats rushed harper. he'll be back to minors once the "hype" wears off.

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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by Gekko » Thu May 03, 2012 3:39 pm

G1AZM wrote:
Gekko wrote:is he worth a bid in a 15 teamer, sure, if u are desperate for OF. even then, he's similar to most $10-$20 FAAB targets that gets recycled each week via FAAB

in a 12 teamer, he's not even worth a bid

hype > production :lol: 8-)
FP Santangelo would disagree with you. His quote last night was brilliant, "It's like watching Roy Hobbs before the gunshot wound."
that's what makes America great. we can agree to disagree. i have his minor league stats and his very young age on my side. FP Santangelo has hype on his side

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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by Glenneration X » Thu May 03, 2012 4:27 pm

It's all about ceiling and the ability to be a potential difference maker. It may not happen this season for all the reasons Gekko points out, but Bryce's is as high as just about anyone's and certainly as high as anyone we can expect to see in FAAB this year.

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Post by Money » Thu May 03, 2012 5:00 pm

Glenneration X wrote:It's all about ceiling and the ability to be a potential difference maker. It may not happen this season for all the reasons Gekko points out, but Bryce's is as high as just about anyone's and certainly as high as anyone we can expect to see in FAAB this year.
He was available in an NFBC X11 league this past weekend, Mike Trout and Kenly Jansen were also available in the same league. This was the only league of mine that any of them were available. I wanted to get either Trout or Harper as I already had 3 closers. Here's how it played out

Mike Trout - 337 was the winning bid, second was 301 (I won this bid)
Bryce Harper - 185 was the winning bid, second was 57 (unreal)
Kenley Jansen - 189 was the winning bid, second was 188

I flip flopped all day putting Trout or Harper on top. My conditional bid was for 337 on Harper which didn't get processed. I didn't think either guy would go this cheap, as usual I was wrong :evil:
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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by KJ Duke » Thu May 03, 2012 7:04 pm

Gekko wrote:
G1AZM wrote:
Gekko wrote:is he worth a bid in a 15 teamer, sure, if u are desperate for OF. even then, he's similar to most $10-$20 FAAB targets that gets recycled each week via FAAB

in a 12 teamer, he's not even worth a bid

hype > production :lol: 8-)
FP Santangelo would disagree with you. His quote last night was brilliant, "It's like watching Roy Hobbs before the gunshot wound."
that's what makes America great. we can agree to disagree. i have his minor league stats and his very young age on my side. FP Santangelo has hype on his side
Rules of thumb work on average, and following them is probably a good strategy to avoid having the worst team in the league. Not so much a great strategy for having the best team.

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Post by 751542 » Thu May 03, 2012 7:27 pm

food for thought on the naysayers(gekko n crew)

can we agree davey johnson has been around a while and has a world series ring, as a manager?? can we agree that the nats are playing competetive baseball?? can we agree anyone can win that division? can we agree that the nats brass has seen and know the kid more than us??

here is my school of thought, why would davey johnson put the kid hitting 3rd if he thought he couldnt do the job?? why would they take the chance to wreck the kids ego? by the way i saw he is 1-3 with an rbi), harper is a stud thru and thru. will he have his ups and downs, why of course. but give the kid some credit he is playing great and the world series manager moved him from 7th to 3rd. which by the way, is arguably the hardest spot in the lineup! my prediction is that he will hit 277, 12 homeruns and steal 13 bases(400 ab), play a great outfield and learn the best possible way, on the field in major league parks. minor league stats, wipe your hieney with them. the nats obviously believe he can help their team win the division as well. will he sell tickets? sure! is the nats outfield a train wreck?? yup, but we all know that timing is everything! :D just ask lindy! ;)
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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by ToddZ » Thu May 03, 2012 7:47 pm

RoundTrippers wrote: my prediction is that he will hit 277, 12 homeruns and steal 13 bases(400 ab)
Except RT, by your numbers, your World Series manager just put the equivalent of Mike Aviles or Chase Headley in the 3-hole of a contending team. Just saying this to put his fantasy impact in perspective.

I actually think your estimation is reasonable. Some are expecting much more.
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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by 751542 » Thu May 03, 2012 8:38 pm

bryce harper gw rbi! :D
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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by KJ Duke » Thu May 03, 2012 9:52 pm

ToddZ wrote:
RoundTrippers wrote: my prediction is that he will hit 277, 12 homeruns and steal 13 bases(400 ab)
Except RT, by your numbers, your World Series manager just put the equivalent of Mike Aviles or Chase Headley in the 3-hole of a contending team. Just saying this to put his fantasy impact in perspective.

I actually think your estimation is reasonable. Some are expecting much more.
I'll up your 12/13 ante RT! My pre-season was: 270-15-15, 55/55, in 411 AB. Have Harper or Trout on almost every team, like what I see in week one for them. :)

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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by ToddZ » Thu May 03, 2012 10:14 pm

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I'll up your 12/13 ante RT! My pre-season was: 270-15-15, 55/55, in 411 AB. Have Harper or Trout on almost every team, like what I see in week one for them. :)
So you've raised the bar to Asdrubal/Melky Cabrera -- which any of us would take "for free" with a reserve or some FAAB.

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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by rockitsauce » Thu May 03, 2012 10:58 pm

He looks like a demon and he plays like one :twisted:

wish I had him on even 1 team (certainly wish I'd have coughed up the $15 it would've taken to get him in MLBC :evil: )

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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by Gekko » Fri May 04, 2012 5:13 am

KJ Duke wrote: Rules of thumb work on average, and following them is probably a good strategy to avoid having the worst team in the league. Not so much a great strategy for having the best team.
in the past 10 years, please name all of the difference making 19 year olds in the major leagues. the past 10 years contains thousands of players so u should easily be able to rattle off a bunch of them, right?

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KJ Duke wrote: Rules of thumb work on average, and following them is probably a good strategy to avoid having the worst team in the league. Not so much a great strategy for having the best team.
in the past 10 years, please name all of the difference making 19 year olds in the major leagues. the past 10 years contains thousands of players so u should easily be able to rattle off a bunch of them, right?
This comparison doesn't work. You and I both know there are almost none. But that doesn't mean he won't succeed simply because he's 19. This kid is like Tiger Woods competing at age 19 - he's been in the spotlight his entire life, has skills far exceeding the normal 19 year old, and appears to be able to handle the pressure.
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Post by Edwards Kings » Fri May 04, 2012 6:12 am

Here is a list of youngest (only the youngest, not all players at or around that age) players in each league. You can decide if any made an impact. I went back 20 years.

Year National League Youngest LG
2012 Mike Trout (LAA) 20 AL
2012 Bryce Harper (WSN) 19 NL
2011 Mike Trout (LAA) 19 AL
2011 Julio Teheran (ATL) 20 NL
2010 Chris Sale (CHW) 21 AL
2010 Starlin Castro (CHC) 20 NL
2009 Rick Porcello (DET) 20 AL
2009 Madison Bumgarner (SFG) 19 NL
2008 Travis Snider (TOR) 20 AL
2008 Clayton Kershaw (LAD) 20 NL
2007 Cameron Maybin (DET) 20 AL
2007 Justin Upton (ARI) 19 NL
2006 Felix Hernandez (SEA) 20 AL
2006 Lastings Milledge (NYM) 21 NL
2005 Felix Hernandez (SEA) 19 AL
2005 Matt Cain (SFG) 20 NL
2004 B.J. Upton (TBD) 19 AL
2004 Edwin Jackson (LAD) 20 NL
2003 Chad Gaudin (TBD) 20 AL
2003 Edwin Jackson (LAD) 19 NL
2002 Francisco Rodriguez (ANA) 20 AL
2002 Wily Mo Pena (CIN) 20 NL
2001 CC Sabathia (CLE) 20 AL
2001 Wilson Betemit (ATL) 19 NL
2000 Jon Garland (CHW) 20 AL
2000 Corey Patterson (CHC) 20 NL
1999 Matt Riley (BAL) 19 AL
1999 Rick Ankiel (STL) 19 NL
1998 Dee Brown (KCR) 20 AL
1998 Adrian Beltre (LAD) 19 NL
1997 Ben Grieve (OAK) 21 AL
1997 Andruw Jones (ATL) 20 NL
1996 Gene Kingsale (BAL) 19 AL
1996 Andruw Jones (ATL) 19 NL
1995 Alex Rodriguez (SEA) 19 AL
1995 Karim Garcia (LAD) 19 NL
1994 Alex Rodriguez (SEA) 18 AL
1994 Ismael Valdez (LAD) 20 NL
1993 Julian Tavarez (CLE) 20 AL
1993 Cliff Floyd (MON) 20 NL
1992 Ivan Rodriguez (TEX) 20 AL
1992 Melvin Nieves (ATL) 20 NL
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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by Gekko » Fri May 04, 2012 9:32 am

I hate to be the messenger, but you’ve been sold a 12hr/10sb .250 guy (think poor man’s Josh Reddick) masquerading as Hunter Pence. I don’t care if he’s the most advanced 19 year old EVER. The truth of the matter is Harper couldn’t excel against AA pitchers this year. How is he going to excel against major league pitchers this year? Actual stats always prevail over the hype machine. Give him a year or two before he becomes a difference maker.

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Gekko wrote:I hate to be the messenger, but you’ve been sold a 12hr/10sb .250 guy (think poor man’s Josh Reddick) masquerading as Hunter Pence. I don’t care if he’s the most advanced 19 year old EVER. The truth of the matter is Harper couldn’t excel against AA pitchers this year. How is he going to excel against major league pitchers this year? Actual stats always prevail over the hype machine. Give him a year or two before he becomes a difference maker.
since the time is now and stats prevail, can i get his thru 4 games please, thanks much! :D
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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by rockitsauce » Fri May 04, 2012 11:20 am

let's see, the Phils got Kyle Kendrick pitching in DC this evening...........looks like a good bet for B-Harp's 1st HR :mrgreen:
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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by Gekko » Fri May 04, 2012 11:33 am

RoundTrippers wrote: since the time is now and stats prevail, can i get his thru 4 games please, thanks much! :D
0hr and 0sb?

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Gekko wrote:
RoundTrippers wrote: since the time is now and stats prevail, can i get his thru 4 games please, thanks much! :D
0hr and 0sb?
Nationals general manager Mike Rizzo conceded that it's unlikely Bryce Harper will be sent back down to the minors.
When Harper was called up a week ago, Rizzo said it didn't necessarily mean he was up to stay, but the young phenom has played his way into the team's immediate plans. "We’re not dumb, either," Rizzo said. "This guy is performing admirably in the big leagues. We feel he’s got a chance to really impact the ball club. He’s a special talent. So you have to throw ordinary development curves out the window if you have to." Harper is batting .375/.389/.625 over his first 16 at-bats and has made a few fantastic throws from the outfield.

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Re: Bryce Harper Called Up

Post by Gekko » Fri May 04, 2012 2:11 pm

RoundTrippers wrote:
Nationals general manager Mike Rizzo conceded that it's unlikely Bryce Harper will be sent back down to the minors.
ya, we can all trust those managers, right?

April 27th - In his pregame press conference on Friday, Jim Leyland stated that Brad Eldred will be his everyday designated hitter

May 4th - Tigers designated Brad Eldred for assignment.

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Gekko wrote:
RoundTrippers wrote:
Nationals general manager Mike Rizzo conceded that it's unlikely Bryce Harper will be sent back down to the minors.
ya, we can all trust those managers, right?

April 27th - In his pregame press conference on Friday, Jim Leyland stated that Brad Eldred will be his everyday designated hitter

May 4th - Tigers designated Brad Eldred for assignment.

:lol:
Hey! He was, for a week! :lol:
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