Bryce Harper Called Up

[Ando]

You seem to be watching much more baseball this year.

You're dumping on your annual alottment of 3-4 games a year.

[Gekko]

i do have the Nats game on while inputting my FAAB today

[Outlaw]

Hmmmm Strasburg batting .375 now and with a HR.

[Gekko]

i'm guessing harper owners were wishing they were trout owners

[751542]

i'm guessing harper owners were wishing they were trout owners

please dont speak for me

[Money]

Trout - First round next year.

[Outlaw]

Trout - First round next year.

ahead of Albert, Hanley, Reyes, Hosmer, Ellsbury, Agon, Tex, Lawrie?

[Outlaw]

How about Harper, first AB tonight in Philly, with the Boo Birds out in force, Drives one right back from where it came for a single to center. Good for him!!!!!!

I'm sure if Haprer had as much Minor seasoning as Trout, he might be "furthur along"
They are both talented players and Yes Trout is playing better so far after about 4 weeks each, but as to who will be drafted ahead of who next year, there is a long way to go this year and its possible they are both in the same Draft slot area come next spring

Trout - 4 MILB seasons 286 games 1312 AB's
Harper- 2 MILB seasons 129 games 534 AB's

all in all, I dont think there are too many, if any players this year looking to drop Harper or not start him.

[Gekko]

I'm sure if Haprer had as much Minor seasoning as Trout, he might be "furthur along"

Trout - 4 MILB seasons 286 games 1312 AB's
Harper- 2 MILB seasons 129 games 534 AB's

who cares about the above. this isn't a keeper league. part of the reason i'm a harper poopoo'er is because he is very young and inexperienced.

[Outlaw]

I'm sure if Haprer had as much Minor seasoning as Trout, he might be "furthur along"

Trout - 4 MILB seasons 286 games 1312 AB's
Harper- 2 MILB seasons 129 games 534 AB's

who cares about the above. this isn't a keeper league. part of the reason i'm a harper poopoo'er is because he is very young and inexperienced.

Exactly my point, its not a keeper league and there wont be anyone dropping him this year anytime soon, unless he gets injured. He still looks pretty good for being 19 and inexperianced. theres no doubt its fun to watch him and thats good for baseball and its fans.

[Gekko]

Exactly my point, its not a keeper league and there wont be anyone dropping him this year anytime soon, unless he gets injured. He still looks pretty good for being 19 and inexperianced. theres no doubt its fun to watch him and thats good for baseball and its fans.

here's some highlights of what i've seen/read:
*he has 3 errors in 21 games. that's a 23 error season in the making
*he throws to the wrong base after making a catch with runners in scoring position
*he needed 10 stitches above his left eye after slamming his bat up against a wall and having it bounce back and hit him in the head
*for all of his "other-worldly" claims of power, he has 2 jacks in 82 at bats (against some less than stellar staffs mind you)
*he doesn't stand a chance vs lefties (in majors 24AB; 7K; 1BB; in minors 21AB; 6K; 2BB)

if he's lucky this year, he'll be a josh reddick. if the stats win, he is basically a platoon player vs right-handed pitchers who needs more seasoning in the minors.

[rockitsauce]

if he's lucky this year, he'll be a josh reddick.

guessing u haven't taken a look at JR's #'s this yr cuz alot of players would love to be so "lucky"

[KJ Duke]

Mystery comparison: stats to date projected over 600 PA ...

Player A:
22 yrs old
BA 273 (obp 306, contact rate 81%, babip .311)
11 HR, 23 SB
Runs+RBI = 130
Lineup = bats 6th or 7th

Player B:
19 yrs old
BA 256 (obp 337, contact rate 81%, babip .288)
13 HR, 13 SB
Runs+RBI = 144
Lineup = bats 2nd or 5th

Who would you rather have ... and would it make a difference is Player A was a 3rd round pick and Player B was a 19th round pick?

Who are these mystery players?
Player A recently was suspended for an equipment tossing incident, also, he was drafted by a Gekko in Round 3. Meanwhile, this same Gekko believes that Player B, based on his numbers, should be in the minors.

[Outlaw]

Mystery comparison: stats to date projected over 600 PA ...

Player A:
22 yrs old
BA 273 (obp 306, contact rate 81%, babip .311)
11 HR, 23 SB
Runs+RBI = 130
Lineup = bats 6th or 7th

Player B:
19 yrs old
BA 256 (obp 337, contact rate 81%, babip .288)
13 HR, 13 SB
Runs+RBI = 144
Lineup = bats 2nd or 5th

Who would you rather have ... and would it make a difference is Player A was a 3rd round pick and Player B was a 19th round pick?

Who are these mystery players?
Player A recently was suspended for an equipment tossing incident, also, he was drafted by a Gekko in Round 3. Meanwhile, this same Gekko believes that Player B, based on his numbers, should be in the minors.

Good stuff KJ - Player A may soon be in a platoon for a while...

[Gekko]

Player A dominated the minors. Player B floundered in the minors. Truth be told, the pro-harper folks have nothing factual to point to in their defense of him so they need to try and confuse the issue by saying how young he is or comparing him against other more proven players or saying he “looks good”. Bahaha!!! I’m surprised pro-harper folks aren’t saying he’s better than Poodles. Pro-harper owners bought into hype…nothing more. Again, sorry for being the messenger.

FACTS
*AA stats weren’t very good (including peripheral stats supporting not being able to handle lefties)
*Major league stats aren’t very good (including peripheral stats supporting not being able to handle lefties)
*Plays bad defense (3 errors already; throws to wrong base)
*Plays outfield (not a premium position)
*Hot-headed

Where are the stats showing a breakout is imminent? Thought so

[Cocktails and Dreams]

Never mind. Mistaken post on my part.

Player A dominated the minors. Player B floundered in the minors. Truth be told, the pro-harper folks have nothing factual to point to in their defense of him so they need to try and confuse the issue by saying how young he is or comparing him against other more proven players or saying he “looks good”. Bahaha!!! I’m surprised pro-harper folks aren’t saying he’s better than Poodles. Pro-harper owners bought into hype…nothing more. Again, sorry for being the messenger.

FACTS
*AA stats weren’t very good (including peripheral stats supporting not being able to handle lefties)
*Major league stats aren’t very good (including peripheral stats supporting not being able to handle lefties)
*Plays bad defense (3 errors already; throws to wrong base)
*Plays outfield (not a premium position)
*Hot-headed

Where are the stats showing a breakout is imminent? Thought so

[KJ Duke]

Player A dominated the minors. Player B floundered in the minors. Truth be told, the pro-harper folks have nothing factual to point to in their defense of him so they need to try and confuse the issue by saying how young he is or comparing him against other more proven players or saying he “looks good”. Bahaha!!! I’m surprised pro-harper folks aren’t saying he’s better than Poodles. Pro-harper owners bought into hype…nothing more. Again, sorry for being the messenger.

FACTS
*AA stats weren’t very good (including peripheral stats supporting not being able to handle lefties)
*Major league stats aren’t very good (including peripheral stats supporting not being able to handle lefties)
*Plays bad defense (3 errors already; throws to wrong base)
*Plays outfield (not a premium position)
*Hot-headed

Where are the stats showing a breakout is imminent? Thought so

Stats, especially minor lge stats based on a whole 37 games, don't tell the whole story Mr. Schandl ... Gekko. Errors do not equal bad defense, great arm+speed offsets errors. Young players tend to make more mistakes but make plays that others can't, we've already seen this with Harper. Hot-headed is part of your defense? That's the only game where Lawrie has a clear edge!

[The Mighty Men]

Gekko, I know you like to stubbornly stick to your guns, but arguing against perhaps the best prospect of the generation is going to be a losing cause. He had a small sample size in AA, so it doesn't help either side.

[Gekko]

Gekko, I know you like to stubbornly stick to your guns, but arguing against perhaps the best prospect of the generation is going to be a losing cause. He had a small sample size in AA, so it doesn't help either side.

"best prospect of the generation". haha!! we hear that every couple of years for different players until they undoubtedly underperform.

as for arguing against harper, i'm only conerned with his performance THIS year. if that's a losing cause, i'd like to see factual proof of it.

[Outlaw]

"best prospect of the generation". haha!! we hear that every couple of years for different players until they undoubtedly underperform.

I agree with you here Gekko, but also every once in a while a special player comes along and I think most are saying Harper is. To your point, the proof will be in the numbers come Oct 1, 2012 and just how well he did this year.

as for arguing against Harper, i'm only conerned with his performance THIS year. if that's a losing cause, i'd like to see factual proof of it.[/quote]

To date: G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB KO BA
22 82 15 21 6 2 2 7 2 10 16 .256

Not too shabby so far for 19 yrs old.

For all that have passionatley weighed in on this discussion post your final projection stats for the Kid, barring injury. The Nats have 120 games left.

Me says
G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB BB KO BA
130 490 70 128 22 5 14 60 11 55 80 .259

[Money]

The special talent you should be talking about is Mike Trout. He will supply first round numbers the rest of the way. I'd take his career over Harper's and he's ready now. Mr. Gekko you cannot find fault with his minor league resume. This kid is the real deal!!!

[Gekko]

The special talent you should be talking about is Mike Trout. He will supply first round numbers the rest of the way. I'd take his career over Harper's and he's ready now. Mr. Gekko you cannot find fault with his minor league resume. This kid is the real deal!!!

i agree joe. trout is a monster (plus plus sb)

[Money]

The special talent you should be talking about is Mike Trout. He will supply first round numbers the rest of the way. I'd take his career over Harper's and he's ready now. Mr. Gekko you cannot find fault with his minor league resume. This kid is the real deal!!!

i agree joe. trout is a monster (plus plus sb)

Unfortunately I only have him on one of my NFBC XII teams and that was through FAAB. I thought Scocia would hold him back until the all-star break, but then a funny thing happened in Anaheim, Scocia isn't pulling all the strings anymore. He's wearing out his welcome.

For what it's worth Harper was available in the same league, the same week. Trout went for 337, Harper 185.

[Gekko]

seeing how trout is still very young, expectations have to be tempered a bit. but the sb and leadoff duties will keep his value high even if the power diminishes some

[Money]

seeing how trout is still very young, expectations have to be tempered a bit. but the sb and leadoff duties will keep his value high even if the power diminishes some

I'll take the plus Avg, runs and SB's. Nothing to suggest the power diminishes so far. According to ESPN he has been the second most productive hitter in the American League since his call up on April 28th.

4th in OPS - 1.013
5th in OBP - .413
4th in Avg - .350
4th in Slugging - .600

By the way the first most productive has been Josh Hamilton (in case you were wondering)