is live scoring

[TParsons]

This will keep me from participating in the basketball leagues. No excuse for this.

And all the STATS techs are probably in bed ... or they don't give a sh*t.

They have techs?

[KJ Duke]

In the contract league I finished in third place and won mgr of the year, a very nice payout in a very tough battle ... one problem, the stats say I have 899 and 2/3rds innings pitched on the season because:

a) Ian Kinsler kicked an easy double play, right after which Ogando was pulled.
b) Blake Beaven had an 8 inning shutout going and they wouldn't let him come out for the 9th on the final day of the season.
c) Wilhelmsen wasn't the guy who went in for the final inning of the Mariners game.
d) Joaquin Benoit came in neither for the 8th inning of a close game as usual, nor in the 9th even though Valverde sat.
e) The Cardinals set-up man did not pitch the 8th, nor was he the choice to start the 9th even though they hold Motte out of a save situation.
f) Philip Humber was expected to start one of the final 2 games if the Sox were eliminated, but both regular staters decided they wanted to pitch instead so he never touched the mound
g) I sat Sean Marshall for Humber because of "f".
h) all of the above.

And the answer is "h". That may be the end of the contract league. I would puke that doesn't begin to remedy how pissed off I am.

[Hells Satans]

Holy shit, does that mean I won MOY?

Sorry about that.

[Quahogs]

Hope the math is off KJ, that is simply a horror.

[Quahogs]

Holy shit, does that mean I won MOY?

Sorry about that.

DId I tie for 3rd in ULT Bob ? I can't trust STATS...

[Hells Satans]

Holy shit, does that mean I won MOY?

Sorry about that.

DId I tie for 3rd in ULT Bob ? I can't trust STATS...

Pretty sure you did. Broxton's inherited runner scoring moved you up a point in ERA. I think STATS is right if you go to the old format on the bottom.

[Quahogs]

Holy shit, does that mean I won MOY?

Sorry about that.

DId I tie for 3rd in ULT Bob ? I can't trust STATS...

Pretty sure you did. Broxton's inherited runner scoring moved you up a point in ERA. I think STATS is right if you go to the old format on the bottom.

Only took A L L Y E A R. Nice 2nd nab. Add that tally to your coffers this year... sweet summer man.

[Hells Satans]

DId I tie for 3rd in ULT Bob ? I can't trust STATS...

Pretty sure you did. Broxton's inherited runner scoring moved you up a point in ERA. I think STATS is right if you go to the old format on the bottom.

Only took A L L Y E A R. Nice 2nd nab. Add that tally to your coffers this year... sweet summer man.

Pretty sure you were a Raul Ibanez 8th inning run tonight from 2nd place. I'm so glad baseball is over.

[Quahogs]

Stop. I'd rather not know...

[Likewhat17]

In the contract league I finished in third place and won mgr of the year, a very nice payout in a very tough battle ... one problem, the stats say I have 899 and 2/3rds innings pitched on the season because:

a) Ian Kinsler kicked an easy double play, right after which Ogando was pulled.
b) Blake Beaven had an 8 inning shutout going and they wouldn't let him come out for the 9th on the final day of the season.
c) Wilhelmsen wasn't the guy who went in for the final inning of the Mariners game.
d) Joaquin Benoit came in neither for the 8th inning of a close game as usual, nor in the 9th even though Valverde sat.
e) The Cardinals set-up man did not pitch the 8th, nor was he the choice to start the 9th even though they hold Motte out of a save situation.
f) Philip Humber was expected to start one of the final 2 games if the Sox were eliminated, but both regular staters decided they wanted to pitch instead so he never touched the mound
g) I sat Sean Marshall for Humber because of "f".
h) all of the above.

And the answer is "h". That may be the end of the contract league. I would puke that doesn't begin to remedy how pissed off I am.

I can't even begin to comprehend how brutal that is, my condolences KJ.

[Hells Satans]

Stop. I'd rather not know...

Actually, it wasnt THAT close. I was wrong.

Anyway, just an incredible run from where you were two weeks ago. I hate playing against guys like you. #%^ing give up already.

[Hells Satans]

In the contract league I finished in third place and won mgr of the year, a very nice payout in a very tough battle ... one problem, the stats say I have 899 and 2/3rds innings pitched on the season because:

a) Ian Kinsler kicked an easy double play, right after which Ogando was pulled.
b) Blake Beaven had an 8 inning shutout going and they wouldn't let him come out for the 9th on the final day of the season.
c) Wilhelmsen wasn't the guy who went in for the final inning of the Mariners game.
d) Joaquin Benoit came in neither for the 8th inning of a close game as usual, nor in the 9th even though Valverde sat.
e) The Cardinals set-up man did not pitch the 8th, nor was he the choice to start the 9th even though they hold Motte out of a save situation.
f) Philip Humber was expected to start one of the final 2 games if the Sox were eliminated, but both regular staters decided they wanted to pitch instead so he never touched the mound
g) I sat Sean Marshall for Humber because of "f".
h) all of the above.

And the answer is "h". That may be the end of the contract league. I would puke that doesn't begin to remedy how pissed off I am.

I can't even begin to comprehend how brutal that is, my condolences KJ.

Seriously. This is the almost unfathomable.

[Quahogs]

Stop. I'd rather not know...

Actually, it wasnt THAT close. I was wrong.

Anyway, just an incredible run from where you were two weeks ago. I hate playing against guys like you. #%^ing give up already.

Well I keep it simple. I just hate playing against YOU.

[BK METS]

In the contract league I finished in third place and won mgr of the year, a very nice payout in a very tough battle ... one problem, the stats say I have 899 and 2/3rds innings pitched on the season because:

a) Ian Kinsler kicked an easy double play, right after which Ogando was pulled.
b) Blake Beaven had an 8 inning shutout going and they wouldn't let him come out for the 9th on the final day of the season.
c) Wilhelmsen wasn't the guy who went in for the final inning of the Mariners game.
d) Joaquin Benoit came in neither for the 8th inning of a close game as usual, nor in the 9th even though Valverde sat.
e) The Cardinals set-up man did not pitch the 8th, nor was he the choice to start the 9th even though they hold Motte out of a save situation.
f) Philip Humber was expected to start one of the final 2 games if the Sox were eliminated, but both regular staters decided they wanted to pitch instead so he never touched the mound
g) I sat Sean Marshall for Humber because of "f".
h) all of the above.

And the answer is "h". That may be the end of the contract league. I would puke that doesn't begin to remedy how pissed off I am.

This is just not right... I cannot imagine. I am at a loss for words. NO ONE deserved to win this prize more than you, with all of the time and effort you put into these leagues. Please don't stop these leagues next year... it was a great experience and the best draft I have ever been involved in... Sorry again KJ. I would triple check all of the stats info against MLB info.. Maybe there is 1/3 of an inning somewhere.

[DOUGHBOYS]

Screw even numbers!
Let's amend it to 899 2/3 innings.

[BK METS]

Screw even numbers!
Let's amend it to 899 2/3 innings.

Seriously... I second that

[fwicker]

.... would be nice to hear something

[DOUGHBOYS]

Screw even numbers!
Let's amend it to 899 2/3 innings.

Seriously... I second that

This gives me an idea. (Imagination showing a group from everybody)
But, to help out guys like Kevin in the future...
Why don't we have our limit set at 900 or 1,000 or whatever the limit is...
Then if coming under that minimum, you are penalized 1 er and 3.0 of WHIP for each inning under the limit.
That way a small miscalculation will not carry catastrophic penalty.
KJ would have been penalized one earned run and 1.00 Whip for 1/3 of an inning, but ended with 900 innings.
Just a thought.

[devilznj]

In the contract league I finished in third place and won mgr of the year, a very nice payout in a very tough battle ... one problem, the stats say I have 899 and 2/3rds innings pitched on the season because:

a) Ian Kinsler kicked an easy double play, right after which Ogando was pulled.
b) Blake Beaven had an 8 inning shutout going and they wouldn't let him come out for the 9th on the final day of the season.
c) Wilhelmsen wasn't the guy who went in for the final inning of the Mariners game.
d) Joaquin Benoit came in neither for the 8th inning of a close game as usual, nor in the 9th even though Valverde sat.
e) The Cardinals set-up man did not pitch the 8th, nor was he the choice to start the 9th even though they hold Motte out of a save situation.
f) Philip Humber was expected to start one of the final 2 games if the Sox were eliminated, but both regular staters decided they wanted to pitch instead so he never touched the mound
g) I sat Sean Marshall for Humber because of "f".
h) all of the above.

And the answer is "h". That may be the end of the contract league. I would puke that doesn't begin to remedy how pissed off I am.

You forgot i) the sun was in your eyes.

I guess the stats say you have 899 1/3 innings might be because you do? The rules are very clear and extremely simple to follow.

And as far as for the first part of this thread.....I'm seeing all veteran players moaning and complaining like it's the end of the world because they can't see the live scoring. ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS CLICK ON THE OLD SCORING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE AND PRESTO - THERE IT WAS.

I could never do your job Greg. But it the long run the most important thing about last night was.........

ROMNEY KICKED OBAMA'S BUTT

[Greg Ambrosius]

And as far as for the first part of this thread.....I'm seeing all veteran players moaning and complaining like it's the end of the world because they can't see the live scoring. ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS CLICK ON THE OLD SCORING AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE AND PRESTO - THERE IT WAS.

I don't know what happened to Live Scoring last night when there were still just two games left, but from what you've posted here it's the same issue that happened the night before. We did look at the issue last night (sorry, we weren't all sleeping on the final night of the season) and didn't see any issues, but again it sure looks like a display issue like we had the night before. We did not have this issue once during the season, but during the last two nights from what I'm seeing above the Live Scoring it stopped displaying like it should have. I've forwarded all of this to IT and yes we have to figure this out.

When an NFBC Hall of Famer comes out and calls us incompetent it cuts to the bone. Not that we don't listen as hard to Bryan's criticisms of us as we do to Steve's, but it cuts to the bone and tells us we're no better than we were two years ago. I don't believe that's the case or even close to that, but the facts are the facts. We did not get Live Scoring PERFECT this year with doubleheaders or during the last two days and for that we deserve Pong images. It's not exactly how anyone wanted this season to be remembered, but at the end of the day we control the product and we have to get it right. That includes LIVE SCORING as much as anything else. We promised an improved Live Scoring and most of you feel we didn't deliver and we failed to deliver on Live Overall Standings. We won't miss on both for 2013.

I will state that I am EXTREMELY proud of everything we did technically in the NFBC. This group of developers is the best I've ever worked with and they CARE as much as Tom and I do. To think otherwise is just completely false and inaccurate. From FAAB to the draft software to team links to SET LINEUP/Live Scoring/etc. to Conditional Bids, to everything on the back-end software I thought it was our best season ever. But we have to improve Live Scoring and we already started on that by re-writing the entire code. We thought we could work that code into Live Overall Standings, but we just never could perfect that and now we have the off-season to re-write the code for Live Overall Standings, too. We sure hope to have that ready from the get-go for NFBC 2013.

We're sorry for any Live Scoring issues these last two days and for the doubleheader on Sunday. We certainly thought we had the DH issue solved and now we're back to analyzing that as well. But all of this involves LIVE SCORING and how we can improve that aspect and give you the crack cocaine of Live Overall Standings all year long. We have to figure those things out, get them perfected for 2013 and debut them at the start of the season so that 2013 is the best fantasy baseball experience you can ever have. We thought 2012 was great, but it obviously wasn't great enough.

Criticism helps someone get better. Nobody likes to be lambasted in public, but we all understand the frustration with our hiccups in Live Scoring. You have a right to call us out. But to think that nobody here cares, or that we sleep while you guys are doing this, or that we're incompetent in the jobs we do, or we try to make mistakes, well, apparently you don't know us well enough. We all feel like we got kicked in the nuts this morning and I guess deservedly so. It's on us and it's not a fun day, unfortunately. We need to get Live Scoring PERFECT for you because that's what you expect from us.

So we hear ya. Thanks for a great 2012 NFBC season everyone and enjoy the off-season. We have work to do now.

[Quahogs]

Greg, We all know nobody works harder in this industry than you and Tom. I was under the impression when we spoke last that enhanced live scoring would be in place by season's end. I thought this pertained to the overall contests battle too. The technology is there so we can watch a Lindy-KJ or a Dave-Chad race unfold every evening. However that level of excitement is missing. Add that to the evening's fantasy frustration on top of the league's live scoring not working (which I don't really utilize until the last day anyway) well... sorry about the kick in the developers butt. It was not meant for you.

That said STATS/NFBC is a great company and the season played out basically flawlessly. Almost every single of my budgeted $ goes to playing in the NFBC/NFFC events and it THAT will no doubt continue.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Greg, We all know nobody works harder in this industry than you and Tom. I was under the impression when we spoke last that enhanced live scoring would be in place by season's end. I thought this pertained to the overall contests battle too. The technology is there so we can watch a Lindy-KJ or a Dave-Chad race unfold every evening. However that level of excitement is missing. Add that to the evening's fantasy frustration on top of the league's live scoring not working (which I don't really utilize until the last day anyway) well... sorry about the kick in the developers butt. It was not meant for you.

That said STATS/NFBC is a great company and the season played out basically flawlessly. Almost every single of my budgeted $ goes to playing in the NFBC/NFFC events and it THAT will no doubt continue.

Steve, no explanation needed. Live Scoring was enhanced and made much faster these last four weeks. Others applauded the changes. Since you didn't use it before yesterday you wouldn't have noticed the enhancements. But even with the enhancements we failed to 1) solve the doubleheader issue where one or both games failed to show on Live Scoring; and 2) whatever happened to the stats displaying the last two days. And yes, we do have more features we will be adding to Live Scoring, but just didn't have the time to finish them for this season.

We failed to get Live Overall Standings live this year as I stated. We felt we could get it done for the last few weeks of the season, but at the end of the day the developers didn't feel it was ready. It wasn't updating fast enough and the old code between the standings and Live Scoring wasn't getting the job done. Had we unveiled it over the last two weeks and it was sub-par we would have been branded as incompetent again. So we chose not to unveil it until we got it right. We have the entire off-season to perfect this and unveil it early in 2013 and to not take the hits for a late season product that didn't pass the snuff test. Sorry we failed to get it out as promised, but technology doesn't always go as planned.

We agree with you that watching Live Scoring and Live Overall Standings is key to our future. We have to PERFECT both and we will. We have to lead the way in this technology and OWN IT. I know we'll get it done. We have several side contests planned for 2013 that will utilize these features to make non-season long games more enjoyable and get you to play regularly with us. Stay tuned for those details because we're already on all of that.

If we let you down last night, we apologize. But again, the guys on the back-end are working HARDER than Tom and I and have as much pride in the product as we do. To think otherwise is wrong. This isn't a split team and there isn't any back-stabbing here. Tom and I have made more mistakes than anyone else, so start here. But we're all on the same page here and all trying to perfect this product. I'd hope that people saw improvements in 2012 and they will see even more improvements in 2013. And I know that by March all of our groins will feel much better.

[Greg Ambrosius]

This doesn't change what happened last night when Live Scoring turned off around 11 pm ET with two games still unfinished (I'm being told this is our Heidi Game miscue ), but at least we have found the problem. It's on us and again it doesn't change what happened the last two nights, but it won't happen again.

It was a coding issue involving the new Live Scoring template and the short week of games (Week 27). The new live scoring didn’t know how to handle no period on the next day which is used to calculate standings, so it reset to default numbers (thus everyone showed tied in the Diamond League). All of the stats and game stats were working properly, but the standings were off and they obviously stopped displaying earlier than they should have.

We have fixed the issue in preparation for next season. We will also do a thorough review of everything that was implemented with Live Scoring as we look for scenarios like this before next season.

Again, it doesn't change what happened last night, but it explains why we had a problem these final two days late when it never occurred before. It's on us with the new Live Scoring template and we'll take the blame.

Now back to our regularly scheduled "Why Can't You Guys Get The Doubleheaders Right" programming...

[Red Sox Nation-]

Hi Greg,

Overall the technology had a good year. The site has come a long way and improves every year.

It may make sense to set up a separate "technology enhancements" thread. In the past you shared with us a list of things that the tech crew was working on. Let's start this now so that the tech crew has 6 full months to have it ready for opening day. I know live scoring is getting the attention now but we also were given information about a smartphone app being created for us this year.

Thanks for a great year.

Jason

[Greg Ambrosius]

Hi Greg,

Overall the technology had a good year. The site has come a long way and improves every year.

It may make sense to set up a separate "technology enhancements" thread. In the past you shared with us a list of things that the tech crew was working on. Let's start this now so that the tech crew has 6 full months to have it ready for opening day. I know live scoring is getting the attention now but we also were given information about a smartphone app being created for us this year.

Thanks for a great year.

Jason

Sure Jason, a separate thread like that makes sense. The IT department asked Tom and I for suggestions last week and wanted as many "wish list" items as we could think of. We do have a current "To Do" list right now that involves all of our sports. Live Scoring will be implemented for basketball thanks to the enhancements done in baseball and will be available from the start of the season. Live Overall Standings is close in football and folks may see that work in the coming weeks. If it works there, it moves us a step closer to getting it right in the other sports.

The mobile app has been developed and Tom and I saw the advancements last week. It didn't get done in time for this NFBC season, but it will be ready for baseball I believe and maybe even sooner for the other sports. It looks great.

Obviously Live Scoring and Live Overall Standings are our two biggest items, along with the mobile app. Those are all being worked on. The doubleheader Live Scoring issue has to be solved somehow.

We are going to work on the NFBC Online draft room and enhance that since online is the biggest growth engine of this business. Everything online needs to be improved and made easier for the users. That's a major focus for us.

Getting Lifetime Standings and your past history back on your pages is very important with our 10th NFBC season approaching. The data that was sent back to us from Fanball needs to be available again.

We have some side games we're going to work on and introduce in 2013 that we think you will like using your existing NFBC Main Event, NFBC XII and NFBC Online Championship teams. More bang for your buck. We are also toying with one additional game format that would likely be only for satellite leagues. But stay tuned.

I'll create a separate thread for all of this and let you folks chime in and add on. The last thing I want is this thread being on the top of this forum for weeks and months. Time to move on, but at least you have our current "To Do" list.