Toronto Blue Marlins

[DOUGHBOYS]

Ok, the Jays haven't changed their name yet, but the Blue Marlins is a good compromise.
Getting Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, Emilio Bonafacio, and John Buck makes them very formidable.
Meanwhile Jeffrey Lurie says thank you Miami fans for the money and new stadium, and, oh yeah, 'Screw you!'

[swampass]

yes.. i cant fathom being a marlin fan today. what a joke. i hope not one person shows up for opening day. imagine that sight!

[Money]

Ok, the Jays haven't changed their name yet, but the Blue Marlins is a good compromise.
Getting Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, Emilio Bonafacio, and John Buck makes them very formidable.
Meanwhile Jeffrey Lurie says thank you Miami fans for the money and new stadium, and, oh yeah, 'Screw you!'

Bowie Kuhn would veto this trade. To bad baseball did away with the commissioner job.

[Greg Ambrosius]

Ok, the Jays haven't changed their name yet, but the Blue Marlins is a good compromise.
Getting Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, Emilio Bonafacio, and John Buck makes them very formidable.
Meanwhile Jeffrey Lurie says thank you Miami fans for the money and new stadium, and, oh yeah, 'Screw you!'

What an amazing trade for Toronto and what a mess for Miami. They just got a publicly funded stadium and Loria has been pocketing revenue sharing for years. Now they make more money by dumping salaries and stating they are "rebuilding" again. Giancarlo Stanton just tweeted out that "alright, I'm pissed off!!! Plain & Simple." What a shame for baseball, for Marlins' fans and the game in general.

Follow Craig Calcaterra if you can. He's reporting that Loria has paid himself $10 million a year in "administrative fees." Also "between 2002 and 2010, the Marlins got $300 million in revenue sharing and banked at least $154 million in profit." He's linking some great stories on his Twitter account.

But enough of real life: How is this going to affect fantasy baseball? The NL East just got a LOT tougher. The Blue Jays have a solid top of the lineup and a real chance to win that division. And let's see what the Marlins actually get in return. I hope Anthony Gose goes there, but I didn't see for sure if he was going or not. I hope so. Interesting development for fantasy players, for sure.

Here's the latest on the trade: http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/86290 ... -blue-jays

[Money]

Plain and simple MLB needs to have the balls to step in and do what's in the best interest of the game. They won't because Bud Selig is the owners grossly over paid puppet!!

[mbendar16]

Agreed - MLB needs to reverse this trade. To allow another firesale after scamming money from the people of Florida for a new stadium is not only best for baseball, but I would hope send a clear message to Loria to get out of the game and let that team have a real owner.

[Greg Ambrosius]

IT'S OFFICIAL: Commissioner Bud Selig has approved the blockbuster trade that the Blue Jays and Marlins agreed to last week. The Blue Jays announced the 12-player trade, which sends Jose Reyes, Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, John Buck, Emilio Bonifacio and cash considerations to Toronto for Yunel Escobar, Adeiny Hechavarria, Henderson Alvarez, Jeff Mathis, Justin Nicolino, Anthony Desclafani and Jake Marisnick.

Here's more details:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/11/b ... um=twitter

I like this part the best: "ud Selig says he has received assurances from Marlins that they're "fully committed to build a long-term winning team...''

[Greg Ambrosius]

The Toronto Blue Jays just hired John Gibbons as their new manager, which is interesting since he was their manager from 2004-08 before being fired. Now I know that there is a new General Manager in place and that everything now is shiny and new, but doesn't it seem weird to hire a guy you just fired 4+ years ago? Outside of Billy Martin with the Yankees, has this been done very often?

Doughboys, I know you have the answer and a story to go along with it, so please enlighten me!! I need to know if this happens a lot in Major League Baseball.

As a Packers' fan, I just can't see us re-hiring Lindy Infante or Mike Sherman or even Mike Holmgren should anything happen to Mike McCarthy (known as Mike III). Seems like when you say YOU'RE FIRED, you should stick with it.

[Fourslot40]

Cito Gaston had two stints with Toronto as well.

[Captain Hook]

AA must think the AL East leading Blue Jays need a tougher approach - thus Gibbons back in the dugout ..........hopefully he doesn't have to punch out any players or coaches this time around


although Greg - there is your dotted line Gibbons - - - - - -Martin

[Greg Ambrosius]

Cito Gaston had two stints with Toronto as well.

Very Good Grasshopper. I had forgotten that. I see a trend north of the border!!

[DOUGHBOYS]

Like most, I'm not understanding the Gibbons hiring. If they want a hard ass, they accomplished their goal.
In the past, Managers coming back to teams already managed were not uncommon.
As more time has passed and we got past the 'owner favorites' coming back, and GM's took control of baseball power for clubs, it's happened less.

In 1961-62, Cubs owner Phil Wrigley had the College of Coaches to replace the 'Manager'. Four coaches took turns managing.
It didn't work. They failed miserably.

Organizational guys like Red Schoendienst of the Cardinals managed three times covering four decades from the 60's to 1990.

Believe it or not, another organizational guy (well, at the time) managed the Angels twice, Joe Maddon.
Bobby Cox had two stints with the Braves.
And Gaston that was mentioned.
And the year before last, Jack McKeon came back to Manage the Marlins.
Cox and McKeon were fellows that had success with those clubs before. Gibbons had a .500 record and left the Blue Jays in turmoil. Besides organizational guys and Managers that had previous success with a team, I'd have to go back probably more than 50 years to find a hire like Gibbons.
Truly, a head scratcher.

The one thing it does display to me is Toronto ownership's complete trust in Alex Anthopoulos.
If Gibbons was who he wanted as his man, ownership was behind him.
He's made an awful lot of good moves for the franchise, and like ownership, I'd probably trust him that this is the right move for the team.