Roto Snips

[76erfan]

Sack,
Sounds good.....I have season tickets with phils...so i can accomodate a bunch of peeps if there is interest. Getting the committment out of Lowry is the issue. Bug him...he eventually will cave.

[Sack]

Lowy, for all of our good spirited busting, was a good friend during the NFFC Playoffs. His kindness will not be forgotten.
I look forward to catching up with you guys. A game would be great. Phillies are about 1:15 from my home, it is our
preferred stadium to see a MLB game. We will make it happen Andy.

[76erfan]

Lowy, for all of our good spirited busting, was a good friend during the NFFC Playoffs. His kindness will not be forgotten.
I look forward to catching up with you guys. A game would be great. Phillies are about 1:15 from my home, it is our
preferred stadium to see a MLB game. We will make it happen Andy.

sounds good....just give me a heads up what game...and we will make it happen...i got some connections with phils......we can do it up right.

mets series are 4/8, 6/21 and 9/20. two are weekends.

[Edwards Kings]

Wayne reportedly Delmon will suck in right field ........ Ruf will still have a chance to win the job or platoon in LF

Gotcha. Thanks Perry. Delmon in right and Ruf part time in left. Nice defense for the Phils. Pun intended, Revre will really have to be on his horse.

Good lord, that is bad.

[76erfan]

the plan is mayberry and nix will be defensive replacements late in games when they have leads. possible you see that with galvis at 3b too for m.young

[Edwards Kings]

the plan is mayberry and nix will be defensive replacements late in games when they have leads. possible you see that with galvis at 3b too for m.young

Good point. For real world purposes (with that pitching staff assuming healthy Halladay), keeps games tight with better late defense.

For fantasy purposes, I guess you would have to discount several Phillies for losing out on AB however. As you look at the AB distribution, how many Phillies do you have getting 575+ AB besides Howard and Rollins? Revre? Utley?

[76erfan]

if m.young isnt a liability at 3b..and is just average...he may get close.

ruiz will play alot once back from suspension.......

to your point tho....LF and RF reduced ab's for incumbents........

interested to see where revere hits in order

[Glenneration X]

As I posted on another thread, the friends you make in these games are the best part.

Could not agree more Ken.

[DOUGHBOYS]

the plan is mayberry and nix will be defensive replacements late in games when they have leads. possible you see that with galvis at 3b too for m.young

Good point. For real world purposes (with that pitching staff assuming healthy Halladay), keeps games tight with better late defense.

For fantasy purposes, I guess you would have to discount several Phillies for losing out on AB however. As you look at the AB distribution, how many Phillies do you have getting 575+ AB besides Howard and Rollins? Revre? Utley?

I know you're an 'at bats guy', Wayne, but bear with me for a bit.

It is not a category. Merely an 'enabler' for other categories.
And sometimes misleading.
Each fantasy year, Rockies hitters are craved because of their ball park. Yet, if putting an at bats guy with a ball park effects guy, there'd be a rumble.
Only one Rockies player had even over 500 at bats last year.
Will that make drafters shy away this year?
Doubtful.

Getting 588 at bats at a .230 avg from Rickey Weeks is not helpful.
Nor is the .238 from the guy with the second most at bats in baseball, JJ Hardy (who called that one last year?)
Some times less is more, such as the sitting of some lefties vs. left handed throwers.
Shin Soo Choo would have hit .326 with just two less homers and five steals if he'd of missed those at bats vs. lefties.
In effect, 206 wasted at bats, that hurt fantasy teams, not helping them.

Ok, back to the Phils/Mets/Braves/Yankees debate/argument....Isn't there a Nats fan among us?

[Edwards Kings]

I agree with you Dan. Bad AB are bad AB. BUT (and there is always a but), no one ever scored or drove in a run from sitting on the bench. Maxing out batting counting stats is more probable on 7,500 collective AB that it would be on 7,000 collective AB.

The trick? Averaging 535 quality AB from each batting position.

[Edwards Kings]

Oh yes...and five stolen bases were worth a point in the standings of my league last year!

[DOUGHBOYS]

That's a tough nut to crack, Wayne.
Only 82 players in baseball had even the 535 at bats required to have 535 quality at bats.
Less than six rounds of our players.
Or 20% of all folks drafted.

Like looking for a ruby in a mountain of rocks...
(Thans to Cory and Steinman/Meatloaf)

[DOUGHBOYS]

Oh yes...and five stolen bases were worth a point in the standings of my league last year!

And how many places does 206 at bats at .199 drop a team in avg?
That's the rub.

[DOUGHBOYS]

Speaking of at bats...
Here is more fuel for the Bryce Harper Hype Buggy.
Harper had 15 more at bats than Carlos Gonzalez last year.
He had just as many homers (22) and just two less stolen bases (18)
CarGo is still going a full round ahead of him.
I don't expect that to last.

[Edwards Kings]

That's a tough nut to crack, Wayne.
Only 82 players in baseball had even the 535 at bats required to have 535 quality at bats.
Less than six rounds of our players.
Or 20% of all folks drafted.

Like looking for a ruby in a mountain of rocks...
(Thans to Cory and Steinman/Meatloaf)

You got that right! But it is not a minimum of 535 AB per position (though that would be nice), but an average. Some will be more than 535 (i.e. an Adam Jones type with 650 AB) who will make up for several types that don't make 535.

I will agree the later the round, the less tied to AB you should be. Go quality AB (favorable platoon splits for example).

And if you see Ruby, tell her I am looking for her?

[rockitsauce]

Oh, and as far as BANG for buck, give me Revere at $500K for the next 3 yrs over what you're hoping the Mutts pay Bourn all day babe. What is Bourn gonna do better, hit 4 more hr's ?

Ummm...sorry old friend. It is a little more than that. Did you notice that in his first two full years (961 AB), Revere had a whopping 33 extra base hits. Not exactly gap power. Kind of a faster Rafael Belliard.

Fast? Absolutely.
Good D? No doubt.
Cheap? Yes.
Bang for the buck? Revere has all the pop of a flat Pepsi!

Just bustin' chops!

On another note, how are they gonna get Ruf's bat in that line-up with Howard "back" and Delmon sulking in left field? I liked what I saw in Ruf. He looks like the real deal to me.

Good stuff Wayne, love the flat Pepsi hey, Target field ain't no launching pad (right Mauer ) so I look for Big Ben to get that 1st HR of his career in Philly (even if it's an inside the parker).

I was just breakin' Alan's balls (fun to do that to Mutts fans). As anyone who's followed the NL East very long it is YOUR team that has had the most success (maybe not World Series success), but half of my life the Braves have won our division. So Alan is hating the wrong team. Didn't Chipper name one of his kids Shea b/c of all the fun he had in that stadium I guess Veterans would be a shitty name for a boy.

It def. looks like quite a battle b/w the Braves & Nats this yr, but I agree w/ Andy (suprise) that the Fightin's will be better than many think, even w/ that stellar defensive OF. I like Ruf alot too. We never should've signed Howard to an extension 2 yrs earlier than we had too. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Amaro is proving that he ain't no Gillick. I also think we shoulda let the Dodgers have Cliffy last yr, but Joey says keeping him was better for us. We'll see.

The real battle will be who stays out of the basement - Mutts or Marlins

[BK METS]

Statistical evidence of Michael Bourn's value vs Ben Revere.... since Andy wanted to push the Revere vs Bourn debate, lets see what the numbers say...

The Mets openly follow the sabermetrics calculations, mostly runs created and WAR. Not only is Bourn a base stealer, he is a run producer and overall top level WAR producer, offensively and defensively. His WAR in 2012 was 11th ranking in MLB (ahead of both Uptons, Headley, Votto, Stanton) at 6.0 and his fielding WAR is top 3 in all of MLB (3.0).

He was 2nd in steals (NL), 6th in runs scored (NL), 9th walks (NL).. He had 244 total bases (vs 175 for Revere)

Revere ranked near the bottom in runs produced, offensive WAR, total bases, and extra base hits (Revere had 19 extra base hits in 2012, 19!! in over 500 AB's - pretty pathetic)

Bourn was 40th in runs created, which is very high since he only had 9 HRs. Revere was 133rd.

Revere's OPS was 127th out of 143 players with more than 400 AB's.

Revere cost the Phillies their only top 100 (Baseball America) prospect AND Vance Worley. Bourn will cost the Mets cash, if they sign him.

Even with a Bourn signing, the Mets will have 50%-60% of the total salary of the Phillies, when the 2013 season begins.

We are fantasy baseball owners and we can look at just the offensive stats and overlook the overall value of a player. Everyone that is saying the Mets will overpay, who would you like to put in CF over the next 3 years that will give more value than Michael Bourn? The Mets, a team with no outfield and no speed.

And Glenn, where the heck are ya? I am alone here defending my team!!

[ALL-IN JD]

As I have stated previously, why rush and out overpay for Bourn when the Mets shrewdly got Marlon Byrd at a bargain basement price!!

[ALL-IN JD]

And let's not also forget about the Met curse, which turns good player/All Stars into absolutely useless players, i.e. Carlos Baerga, Juan Samuel, Roberto Alomar, Jason Bay, just to name a few!!

[BK METS]

And let's not also forget about the Met curse, which turns good player/All Stars into absolutely useless players, i.e. Carlos Baerga, Juan Samuel, Roberto Alomar, Jason Bay, just to name a few!!

Good point Jeff...

[76erfan]

ok so revere hit 293 last year and stole 40 and can really play defense in center which is important with ruf and delmon young in the other corners. And he costs us $550K for the next three years. Yes please. he cost us a top 100 prospect as you keep saying however any phillies fan will tell you that the following pitchers are all better than him:
adam morgan
jesse biddle
ethan morgan
jonathan pettibone

May is ranked 9th on twins list from what I heard so he really isnt that great. Will we miss Worley? Sure...probably...but if Lannan can be a capable #5 no big loss.

You keep talking how old the phils are..well their projected starting offense in OF is 26, 24 and 28. They arent paying bourn 15 mill when they can get Revere for 550k and they are actually deep at SP in minors.

Bourn may fit the mets well...just saying if the phillies wanted bourn..they woulda signed him already.......they went with a cheaper alternative that they think can match his production and is what 8-9 years younger.

Not gonna argue revere-bourn all day......you say revere sucks..i get it..you hate the phils...i get that too....but showing no respect to them is not really paying attention to them...more so just hating on them. I can see the mets have good prospects and youth...i get it........they are a team you can say is on the rise. but throwing dirt on the phillies and saying they are done and old is just ridiculous in my opinion.

Hey alan..i get it..we are both stubborn and wont give in.......you should make the trip down to braves/phils too..we can debate our teams all day with Magner, Lowy and whoever else wants to come. Lets do it up:)

[Quahogs]

Man, taking in a Met-Philly game with Met and Philly fans sounds as appealing as eating a day old philly cheesesteak with a warm $10 Schaefer beer from Shea !

[76erfan]

Man, taking in a Met-Philly game with Met and Philly fans sounds as appealing as eating a day old philly cheesesteak with a warm $10 Schaefer beer from Shea !

You are just jealous you havent been invited(yet). Mind your own business champ.

[whale4evr]

Re: Mets,
I would rather see what Collin Cowgill at major league minimum salary can do with full time at bats than what we already know Bourn can do at 4 years/$40 million. Bourn would be a decent add for a CF-less contender. We locked up Wright, Johan & Bay are going off the books and we got D'Arnaud & Syndegaard for Dickey. Let's see if these guys can play at all before we start getting the checkbook out again.

[BK METS]

ok so revere hit 293 last year and stole 40 and can really play defense in center which is important with ruf and delmon young in the other corners. And he costs us $550K for the next three years. Yes please. he cost us a top 100 prospect as you keep saying however any phillies fan will tell you that the following pitchers are all better than him:
adam morgan
jesse biddle
ethan morgan
jonathan pettibone

May is ranked 9th on twins list from what I heard so he really isnt that great. Will we miss Worley? Sure...probably...but if Lannan can be a capable #5 no big loss.

You keep talking how old the phils are..well their projected starting offense in OF is 26, 24 and 28. They arent paying bourn 15 mill when they can get Revere for 550k and they are actually deep at SP in minors.

Bourn may fit the mets well...just saying if the phillies wanted bourn..they woulda signed him already.......they went with a cheaper alternative that they think can match his production and is what 8-9 years younger.

Not gonna argue revere-bourn all day......you say revere sucks..i get it..you hate the phils...i get that too....but showing no respect to them is not really paying attention to them...more so just hating on them. I can see the mets have good prospects and youth...i get it........they are a team you can say is on the rise. but throwing dirt on the phillies and saying they are done and old is just ridiculous in my opinion.

Hey alan..i get it..we are both stubborn and wont give in.......you should make the trip down to braves/phils too..we can debate our teams all day with Magner, Lowy and whoever else wants to come. Lets do it up:)

Revere is 6 years younger, but who's counting . Hey Andy, not disrespecting... just speaking from what I know and see in the stats. I hope you don't feel disrespected.. I am passionate about my team, as you are. And don't want Collin Cowgill manning up centerfield. (I think these supposed Mets fans are really Phily and Yankee fans who have gone into hiding ) Truthfully, I meant no disrespect.. You debated Revere being a better purchase and I was just offering a counter-opinion. And I will take you up on that game offer...