View All League Drafts And ADPs Now

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:36 am

Okay everyone, all NFBC members can now view the draft results of every NFBC main event league and view the Average Draft Positions now. According to STATS, the draft results for all 2006 leagues are now available to users online under "draft results."

We also made a "draft stats" link available that shows the average draft position, etc. for all players that all users in main event leagues can view. This isn't available for any auction leagues since there really isn't a draft position. I'll work to get the dollar values entered for the auction leagues at a later date, but this is a good start for now.

Cooperstown · Post by **Cooperstown** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:41 am

Works great Greg.

YOU DA MAN!

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:47 am

Originally posted by coops:

Works great Greg.

YOU DA MAN! Thank STATS for that one. I love this information!!!

Cooperstown · Post by **Cooperstown** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:47 am

The "my pick" and "difference columns" are great. I see that my best value pick was Biggio at 53.56 later than average. My worst pick, Brady Clark at 58.16 earlier than average. Of course best and worst are all relative.

Anyone with a + or - better than mine?

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:50 am

For those of you who don't have access to this and need advice for your upcoming drafts, here's a nugget of love from the NFBC. The Top 50 choices according to the best group of Rotisserie league players in the country were as follows:

1. Alex Rodriguez 3B

2. Albert Pujols 1B

3. Vladimir Guerrero RF

4. Mark Teixeira 1B

5. Carl Crawford LF

6. Derrek Lee 1B

7. David Wright 3B

8. Manny Ramirez LF

9. Jason Bay LF

10. Johan Santana SP

11. Bobby Abreu RF

12. David Ortiz 1B

13. Miguel Cabrera LF

14. Chone Figgins 3B

15. Jose Reyes SS

16. Chase Utley 2B

17. Carlos Beltran CF

18. Miguel Tejada SS

19. Michael Young SS

20. Jimmy Rollins SS

21. Ichiro Suzuki RF

22. Alfonso Soriano 2B

23. Juan Pierre CF

24. Todd Helton 1B

25. Derek Jeter SS

26. Aramis Ramirez 3B

27. Travis Hafner 1B

28. Grady Sizemore CF

29. Jake Peavy SP

30. Victor Martinez C

31. Lance Berkman 1B

32. Andruw Jones CF

33. Gary Sheffield RF

34. Rafael Furcal SS

35. Carlos Lee LF

36. Chris Carpenter SP

37. Roy Oswalt SP

38. Paul Konerko 1B

39. Scott Podsednik LF

40. Adam Dunn LF

41. Ryan Howard 1B

42. Pedro Martinez SP

43. Richie Sexson 1B

44. Carlos Delgado 1B

45. Roy Halladay SP

46. Brad Lidge CL

47. Mariano Rivera CL

48. Marcus Giles 2B

49. Hideki Matsui LF

50. Francisco Rodriguez CL

Cooperstown · Post by **Cooperstown** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:51 am

One more nugget to share.

My total difference: +190.

Rey · Post by **Rey** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:56 am

Originally posted by coops:

The "my pick" and "difference columns" are great. I see that my best value pick was Biggio at 53.56 later than average. My worst pick, Brady Clark at 58.16 earlier than average. Of course best and worst are all relative.

Anyone with a + or - better than mine? I'm the proud owner of a +59.36 for Joey Gathright

While I'm not so proud of my -43.80 for Ray Durham (Ray Durham!?!?!?!)

Overall, I have a +104.98

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:59 am

Originally posted by coops:

One more nugget to share.

My total difference: +190. Now, is this fun stuff or what?

Hopefully these nuggets of information will tie us all over until Opening Night!! I don't know about you folks, but I'm ready for some baseball.

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:02 am

I actually have a negative number but almost all of the negatives are huge and in rounds 23 and after not that worried about that.

Rey · Post by **Rey** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:08 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

I actually have a negative number but almost all of the negatives are huge and in rounds 23 and after not that worried about that. Chest: I noticed that too. I think the overall +/- might not be a good guage, as I think alot of teams may have gone for their favorite prospect in round 25, and received a -50 for their efforts.

The more noteworthy numbers probably can be seen within the first 10 rounds. Anything +20 in the first 10 rounds can probably be described as a "good pick", for whatever thats worth.

Cooperstown · Post by **Cooperstown** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:11 am

Greg,

I also like the way you can drill down the ADP by postion. Very nice. Yeah, this should keep me amused until opening day.

Cooperstown · Post by **Cooperstown** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:13 am

Originally posted by Rey:

quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

I actually have a negative number but almost all of the negatives are huge and in rounds 23 and after not that worried about that. Chest: I noticed that too. I think the overall +/- might not be a good guage, as I think alot of teams may have gone for their favorite prospect in round 25, and received a -50 for their efforts.

The more noteworthy numbers probably can be seen within the first 10 rounds. Anything +20 in the first 10 rounds can probably be described as a "good pick", for whatever thats worth. [/QUOTE]Or, only count players taken in at least 20 leagues.

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:20 am

M.Giles at 57 when avg was 49.48 looks like "good pick" to me.

Looks like the NFBC will be suprised when A.Gonzalez comes to Boston and posts big numbers. No love for him in the draft suprised me for the starting shortstop on the Boston RedSox!!!! Lots of Run opps.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:30 am

Thank you STATS!! After spending the week moving into my new house and getting bludgeoned by the oral surgeon this morning, I was all set to begin my ADP stats for 2006. Now, I guess I can get busy unpacking...

Oh yeah, My Draft Score is +730.10 -- I'd be curious if anyone surpasses that number.

agd · Post by **agd** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:31 am

Aren't the numbers skewed if the player wasn't chosen in all 25 drafts. The calculation should use at least pick 451 as the pick number and the calulation isn't doing that. My first 22 players went in all 25 drafts. Those are valid average draft positions. However, if in 1 draft Ronney Cedeno wasn't picked then his average is miscalulated at 355.42.

DiamondKing · Post by **DiamondKing** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:47 am

This just in on Alex Gonzalez you have to get on base before you can score runs.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:50 am

Ok I love this!!!! THANKS GREG AND STATS!!!

Can anyone beat this? +456!!!! I had multiple +60s with a high of +76 of Luis A. Gonzalez. As for my worst, -27 for Shawn Chacon (who I personally feel is wildly underrated)

Rank Player Avg Pick My Pick Difference # Picks

(out of 25)

#1 Carl Crawford (LF, TB) 6.24 7 +0.76 25

#2 Aramis Ramirez (3B, ChC) 27.64 24 -3.64 25

#3 Paul Konerko (1B, ChW) 40.04 37 -3.04 25

#4 Brad Lidge (CL, Hou) 47.44 54 +6.56 25

#5 Felix Hernandez (SP, Sea) 61.52 67 +5.48 25

#6 Scott Rolen (3B, StL) 87.48 84 -3.48 25

#7 Tadahito Iguchi (2B, ChW) 96.80 97 +0.20 25

#8 Curt Schilling (CL, Bos) 118.24 127 +8.76 25

#9 Jeremy Hermida (RF, Fla) 123.60 114 -9.60 25

#10 Ryan Dempster (CL, ChC) 128.68 157 +28.32 25

#11 Nomar Garciaparra (3B, LAD) 131.32 144 +12.68 25

#12 Robinson Cano (2B, NYY) 150.40 187 +36.60 25

#13 Wily Mo Pena (RF, Bos) 187.44 174 -13.44 25

#14 Chad Orvella (MR, TB) 188.44 217 +28.56 25

#15 Francisco Liriano (SP, Min) 193.96 204 +10.04 25

#16 Kevin Millwood (SP, Tex) 220.44 234 +13.56 25

#17 Garret Anderson (LF, LAA) 221.84 247 +25.16 25

#18 Odalis Perez (SP, LAD) 246.44 307 +60.56 25

#19 Aaron Boone (3B, Cle) 260.08 264 +3.92 24

#20 Jeromy Burnitz (RF, Pit) 300.16 324 +23.84 25

#21 Shawn Chacon (SP, NYY) 304.80 277 -27.80 25

#22 Hanley Ramirez (SS, Fla) 305.29 354 +48.71 24

#23 Jason LaRue (C, Cin) 319.08 384 +64.92 25

#24 Brandon McCarthy (SP, ChW) 319.76 294 -25.76 25

#25 Luis A. Gonzalez (2B, Col) 320.80 397 +76.20 25

#26 Adam Eaton (SP, Tex) 337.16 367 +29.84 25

#27 Jeff Mathis (C, LAA) 349.08 337 -12.08 25

#28 Chris Burke (LF, Hou) 378.45 414 +35.55 22

#29 Nate Robertson (SP, Det) 392.16 427 +34.84 19

My Draft Score +456.22

[ March 24, 2006, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: Spyhunter ]

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:54 am

ok, now that we have such a great feature, can we fix it ?

How come when you show Team it goes to real life teams? Shouldn't it show the league teams? Should the overall list show how everyone did? Or there be an option to see this?

Also, can this database be put against all teams? Why you ask? Well for Satellite snake drafts it is interesting to compare, but ALSO for Auction - If you put a TOTAL at the bottom, you could compare who got the smallest #s!!!!

Thanks again, and

Thanks in advance!!!

Spy

[ March 24, 2006, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: Spyhunter ]

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:42 pm

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

Ok I love this!!!! THANKS GREG AND STATS!!!

Can anyone beat this? +456!!!! I had multiple +60s with a high of +76 of Luis A. Gonzalez. As for my worst, -27 for Shawn Chacon (who I personally feel is wildly underrated)

Rank Player Avg Pick My Pick Difference # Picks

(out of 25)

#1 Carl Crawford (LF, TB) 6.24 7 +0.76 25

#2 Aramis Ramirez (3B, ChC) 27.64 24 -3.64 25

#3 Paul Konerko (1B, ChW) 40.04 37 -3.04 25

#4 Brad Lidge (CL, Hou) 47.44 54 +6.56 25

#5 Felix Hernandez (SP, Sea) 61.52 67 +5.48 25

#6 Scott Rolen (3B, StL) 87.48 84 -3.48 25

#7 Tadahito Iguchi (2B, ChW) 96.80 97 +0.20 25

#8 Curt Schilling (CL, Bos) 118.24 127 +8.76 25

#9 Jeremy Hermida (RF, Fla) 123.60 114 -9.60 25

#10 Ryan Dempster (CL, ChC) 128.68 157 +28.32 25

#11 Nomar Garciaparra (3B, LAD) 131.32 144 +12.68 25

#12 Robinson Cano (2B, NYY) 150.40 187 +36.60 25

#13 Wily Mo Pena (RF, Bos) 187.44 174 -13.44 25

#14 Chad Orvella (MR, TB) 188.44 217 +28.56 25

#15 Francisco Liriano (SP, Min) 193.96 204 +10.04 25

#16 Kevin Millwood (SP, Tex) 220.44 234 +13.56 25

#17 Garret Anderson (LF, LAA) 221.84 247 +25.16 25

#18 Odalis Perez (SP, LAD) 246.44 307 +60.56 25

#19 Aaron Boone (3B, Cle) 260.08 264 +3.92 24

#20 Jeromy Burnitz (RF, Pit) 300.16 324 +23.84 25

#21 Shawn Chacon (SP, NYY) 304.80 277 -27.80 25

#22 Hanley Ramirez (SS, Fla) 305.29 354 +48.71 24

#23 Jason LaRue (C, Cin) 319.08 384 +64.92 25

#24 Brandon McCarthy (SP, ChW) 319.76 294 -25.76 25

#25 Luis A. Gonzalez (2B, Col) 320.80 397 +76.20 25

#26 Adam Eaton (SP, Tex) 337.16 367 +29.84 25

#27 Jeff Mathis (C, LAA) 349.08 337 -12.08 25

#28 Chris Burke (LF, Hou) 378.45 414 +35.55 22

#29 Nate Robertson (SP, Det) 392.16 427 +34.84 19

My Draft Score +456.22 If you think having a high score is great, you are mistaken. It means you drafted conservatively. You drafted players based on last year stats and this years draft position. When A player slips a couple of rounds, you saw it as an opportunity. When others might see it as downside in a player. The real winner will be the one who moved up players and got them right.

-As for your team, Rolen, Boone and G. Anderson are risks. I think Rolen should be alright, but the other two are on the down side.

-You are under a 110 in steals and that is giving H. Ramirez 30. You could have more if you play Burke, but he will hurt you in HR and RBIs.

-Your catchers are well below par. Those two alone will cost you.

-Your pitching should be ok, but you won't league you league for sure.

[ March 24, 2006, 06:43 PM: Message edited by: CC's Desperados ]

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:54 pm

CC I beg to differ. Your post makes NO sense. By getting a player LATER than everyone else did, it goes to show that I have gotten a better value. The rest of the leagues valued that player higher, but I was able to get them later. Seriously, I don't understand your point. How can you say I used last years stats????

Anyway, how exactly do I get to under 110 steals? I can count to 110 pretty reasonably. And I don't expect to get a 15 in steals. My (and RT Davis's) team is very balanced with lots of upside - and where there is risk, such as Boone, we mitigated it by getting players that were shown either in their 2nd half last year (aka Boone), or in spring training (aka Rolen) to be in pretty good health!!

So want to place a wager on who finishs higher?

Spy

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:07 pm

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

CC I beg to differ. Your post makes NO sense. By getting a player LATER than everyone else did, it goes to show that I have gotten a better value. The rest of the leagues valued that player higher, but I was able to get them later. Seriously, I don't understand your point. How can you say I used last years stats????

Anyway, how exactly do I get to under 110 steals? I can count to 110 pretty reasonably. And I don't expect to get a 15 in steals. My (and RT Davis's) team is very balanced with lots of upside - and where there is risk, such as Boone, we mitigated it by getting players that were shown either in their 2nd half last year (aka Boone), or in spring training (aka Rolen) to be in pretty good health!!

So want to place a wager on who finishs higher?

Spy How much?

JohnZ · Post by **JohnZ** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:13 pm

your first 9 picks add up to about +1.

After Rd 9-10 of any draft, each league takes on a life of it's own as teams fill their varying needs.

Your team isn't any better because you picked Robertson, Burke, LaRue, Eaton, Burnitz and others after some other guy in some other league that had different draft dyanmics.

This stuff doesn't mean much at all.

I suspect very good owners have a few minus' on guys they took a round early, yet expect them to perform 5 rounds better than where they picked them.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:18 pm

CC - how about $100? I will do this blind, w/o seeing your team - but please post it so I can see who I am facing off against....

UFS: Of course, the top 9-10 rounds are pretty much SET. If you can get a steal then awesome. However, the 10-23 rounds are critical IMHO - these are all most likely starters as well, AND RT and I got better valued middle picks.

As for the person who picked someone 5 rounds ahead because they have some monster insight, well, they should have waited 3 rounds and then gotten them, they over spent

Spy

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:20 pm

Originally posted by UFS:

your first 9 picks add up to about +1.

After Rd 9-10 of any draft, each league takes on a life of it's own as teams fill their varying needs.

Your team isn't any better because you picked Robertson, Burke, LaRue, Eaton, Burnitz and others after some other guy in some other league that had different draft dyanmics.

This stuff doesn't mean much at all.

I suspect very good owners have a few minus' on guys they took a round early, yet expect them to perform 5 rounds better than where they picked them. Funny how you chose the guys at the bottom to show how I didn't get value, but ignored:

#10 Ryan Dempster (CL, ChC) 128.68 157 +28.32 25

#11 Nomar Garciaparra (3B, LAD) 131.32 144 +12.68 25

#12 Robinson Cano (2B, NYY) 150.40 187 +36.60 25

#14 Chad Orvella (MR, TB) 188.44 217 +28.56 25

#15 Francisco Liriano (SP, Min) 193.96 204 +10.04 25

#16 Kevin Millwood (SP, Tex) 220.44 234 +13.56 25

#17 Garret Anderson (LF, LAA) 221.84 247 +25.16 25

#18 Odalis Perez (SP, LAD) 246.44 307 +60.56 25

#19 Aaron Boone (3B, Cle) 260.08 264 +3.92 24

Spy

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:22 pm

Vladimir Guerrero RF

2 13 Lance Berkman 1B

3 3 Marcus Giles 2B

4 13 Huston Street CL

5 3 Rich Harden SP

6 13 Joe Mauer C

7 3 Hank Blalock 3B

8 13 Justin Morneau 1B

9 3 Oliver Perez SP

10 13 Jeremy Hermida RF

11 3 Corey Patterson CF

12 13 Chad Orvella MR

13 3 Dan Johnson 1B

14 13 A.J. Pierzynski C

15 3 Francisco Liriano SP

16 13 Jeremy Reed CF

17 3 Mike Mussina SP

18 13 Ryan Madson MR

19 3 Rafael Soriano MR

20 13 Jason Kubel RF

21 3 Jonathan Papelbon MR

22 13 Jose Lopez 2B

23 3 Hanley Ramirez SS

24 13 B.J. Upton SS

25 3 Delmon Young RF

26 13 Scott Olsen SP

27 3 Michael Cuddyer 3B

28 13 Kevin Millar 1B

29 3 Victor Diaz RF

30 13 Ian Snell

A hundred...I thought you wanted to gamble!