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seefer · Post by **seefer** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:24 pm

Hey Shawn, great seeing you in Vegas. Good luck this year.

As far as who go whom for what, throw it down the chitter... it all depends on those 2 or 3 guys that make the difference... and INJURIES!!!

And I'd put a cool thousand $$ on CC's team

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:27 pm

Here ya go, Lance:

#1 Alex Rodriguez (3B, NYY) 1.12

#2 Albert Pujols (1B, StL) 1.88

#3 Vladimir Guerrero (RF, LAA) 3.44

#4 Mark Teixeira (1B, Tex) 4.36

#5 Carl Crawford (LF, TB) 6.24

#6 Derrek Lee (1B, ChC) 8.00

#7 David Wright (3B, NYM) 8.52

#8 Manny Ramirez (LF, Bos) 8.72

#9 Jason Bay (LF, Pit) 9.08

#10 Johan Santana (SP, Min) 9.16

#11 Bobby Abreu (RF, Phi) 10.40

#12 David Ortiz (1B, Bos) 11.80

#13 Miguel Cabrera (LF, Fla) 14.64

#14 Chone Figgins (3B, LAA) 14.76

#15 Jose Reyes (SS, NYM) 16.64

#16 Chase Utley (2B, Phi) 16.88

#17 Carlos Beltran (CF, NYM) 17.64

#18 Miguel Tejada (SS, Bal) 17.84

#19 Michael Young (SS, Tex) 19.24

#20 Jimmy Rollins (SS, Phi) 19.88

#21 Ichiro Suzuki (RF, Sea) 20.04

#22 Alfonso Soriano (2B, Was) 23.04

#23 Juan Pierre (CF, ChC) 23.52

#24 Todd Helton (1B, Col) 24.32

#25 Derek Jeter (SS, NYY) 26.72

#26 Aramis Ramirez (3B, ChC) 27.64

#27 Travis Hafner (1B, Cle) 28.64

#28 Grady Sizemore (CF, Cle) 28.92

#29 Jake Peavy (SP, SD) 30.68

#30 Victor Martinez (C, Cle) 32.44

#31 Lance Berkman (1B, Hou) 32.80

#32 Andruw Jones (CF, Atl) 33.28

#33 Gary Sheffield (RF, NYY) 33.60

#34 Rafael Furcal (SS, LAD) 33.72

#35 Carlos Lee (LF, Mil) 35.44

#36 Chris Carpenter (SP, StL) 39.04

#37 Roy Oswalt (SP, Hou) 39.32

#38 Paul Konerko (1B, ChW) 40.04

#39 Scott Podsednik (LF, ChW) 42.32

#40 Adam Dunn (LF, Cin) 42.52

#41 Ryan Howard (1B, Phi) 42.60

#42 Pedro Martinez (SP, NYM) 44.64

#43 Richie Sexson (1B, Sea) 46.64

#44 Carlos Delgado (1B, NYM) 46.84

#45 Roy Halladay (SP, Tor) 46.84

#46 Brad Lidge (CL, Hou) 47.44

#47 Mariano Rivera (CL, NYY) 48.68

#48 Marcus Giles (2B, Atl) 49.48

#49 Hideki Matsui (LF, NYY) 50.40

#50 Francisco Rodriguez (CL, LAA) 53.04

#51 Billy Wagner (CL, NYM) 54.72

#52 Joe Nathan (CL, Min) 55.48

#53 Jorge Cantu (2B, TB) 56.00

#54 Randy Johnson (SP, NYY) 56.40

#55 Eric Chavez (3B, Oak) 57.00

#56 Carlos Zambrano (SP, ChC) 58.52

#57 Julio Lugo (SS, TB) 59.32

#58 Johnny Damon (CF, NYY) 60.88

#59 Felix Hernandez (SP, Sea) 61.52

#60 Felipe Lopez (SS, Cin) 62.00

#61 Huston Street (CL, Oak) 62.64

#62 Rich Harden (SP, Oak) 62.80

#63 Coco Crisp (LF, Bos) 63.76

#64 Jeff Kent (2B, LAD) 64.48

#65 B.J. Ryan (CL, Tor) 64.60

#66 Morgan Ensberg (3B, Hou) 65.32

#67 Joe Mauer (C, Min) 65.92

#68 Matt Holliday (LF, Col) 66.44

#69 Jhonny Peralta (SS, Cle) 66.52

#70 Rickie Weeks (2B, Mil) 67.60

#71 Ben Sheets (SP, Mil) 70.24

#72 Hank Blalock (3B, Tex) 70.96

#73 Troy Glaus (3B, Tor) 71.60

#74 Eric Gagne (CL, LAD) 72.92

#75 Chad Cordero (CL, Was) 74.72

#76 Vernon Wells (CF, Tor) 75.20

#77 Chipper Jones (3B, Atl) 78.04

#78 Trevor Hoffman (CL, SD) 78.20

#79 Jason Isringhausen (CL, StL) 80.48

#80 Barry Bonds (LF, SF) 83.28

#81 Aubrey Huff (RF, TB) 84.48

#82 Melvin Mora (3B, Bal) 84.84

#83 Francisco Cordero (CL, Tex) 85.44

#84 Jim Thome (1B, ChW) 85.52

#85 Scott Rolen (3B, StL) 87.48

#86 Chad Tracy (1B, Ari) 88.96

#87 Derrick Turnbow (CL, Mil) 92.48

#88 Brian Roberts (2B, Bal) 92.64

#89 Randy Winn (LF, SF) 92.76

#90 Jason Schmidt (SP, SF) 93.28

#91 Tadahito Iguchi (2B, ChW) 96.80

#92 Andy Pettitte (SP, Hou) 96.92

#93 Pat Burrell (LF, Phi) 97.04

#94 Torii Hunter (CF, Min) 99.84

#95 Josh Beckett (SP, Bos) 101.16

#96 Dontrelle Willis (SP, Fla) 101.20

#97 John Smoltz (SP, Atl) 102.76

#98 Brett Myers (SP, Phi) 103.12

#99 Jason Giambi (1B, NYY) 104.04

#100 Bobby Jenks (CL, ChW) 104.20

#101 Adrian Beltre (3B, Sea) 105.24

#102 Ryan Freel (2B, Cin) 105.32

#103 Jose Valverde (CL, Ari) 107.68

#104 Brandon Webb (SP, Ari) 108.04

#105 Mark Buehrle (SP, ChW) 109.00

#106 Brad Wilkerson (CF, Tex) 109.52

#107 Armando Benitez (CL, SF) 111.52

#108 Edgar Renteria (SS, Atl) 113.36

#109 Jason Varitek (C, Bos) 115.64

#110 Tom Gordon (MR, Phi) 116.36

#111 Clint Barmes (SS, Col) 116.96

#112 Jim Edmonds (CF, StL) 117.52

#113 Curt Schilling (CL, Bos) 118.24

#114 Willy Taveras (CF, Hou) 118.48

#115 John Patterson (SP, Was) 119.60

#116 John Lackey (SP, LAA) 119.72

#117 Ken Griffey Jr. (CF, Cin) 120.00

#118 A.J. Burnett (SP, Tor) 120.48

#119 Bartolo Colon (SP, LAA) 121.88

#120 Jeremy Hermida (RF, Fla) 123.60

#121 Mike Gonzalez (MR, Pit) 124.60

#122 Eddie Guardado (CL, Sea) 124.72

#123 Brian Giles (RF, SD) 124.76

#124 Javy Lopez (C, Bal) 125.80

#125 Jonny Gomes (RF, TB) 127.20

#126 Mark Loretta (2B, Bos) 128.20

#127 Ryan Dempster (CL, ChC) 128.68

#128 Bobby Crosby (SS, Oak) 128.72

#129 Barry Zito (SP, Oak) 129.24

#130 Nomar Garciaparra (3B, LAD) 131.32

#131 Brian Fuentes (CL, Col) 132.04

#132 Aaron Rowand (CF, Phi) 133.08

#133 Jeff Francoeur (RF, Atl) 134.88

#134 Bob Wickman (CL, Cle) 136.88

#135 Dan Haren (SP, Oak) 137.32

#136 Justin Morneau (1B, Min) 139.20

#137 Chris Ray (MR, Bal) 140.84

#138 Mark Prior (SP, ChC) 142.48

#139 Tim Hudson (SP, Atl) 143.64

#140 Todd Jones (CL, Det) 144.76

#141 Placido Polanco (2B, Det) 146.04

#142 Javier Vazquez (SP, ChW) 146.20

#143 Ramon Hernandez (C, Bal) 146.52

#144 Michael Barrett (C, ChC) 148.68

#145 Kelvim Escobar (MR, LAA) 148.88

#146 Prince Fielder (1B, Mil) 149.40

#147 Robinson Cano (2B, NYY) 150.40

#148 Ivan Rodriguez (C, Det) 150.44

#149 Cliff Floyd (LF, NYM) 151.16

#150 Scott Kazmir (SP, TB) 153.48

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:31 pm

Originally posted by msamuels:

KOQ, Chipper Jones in the 9th round is an outright theft. He may have had a down year last year, but how can he slip that far? I would have been content to have taken him in the 7th round, when you took Roberts, who is a bigger injury risk. Agreed, Chipper is the better value of the two. However, getting a MI was a must at that point (they were being snapped up very quickly in NY1), and after Pods there was very little speed on the team.

And don't get me started on the closer run in this league -- 27 (if you include MacDougal) were taken by the end of Round 10. Can't imagine that any other league saw more closers go early than in this league...

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:21 pm

Thanks King!

~Lance

GoldenEagle · Post by **GoldenEagle** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:39 pm

The goal of the event is to score the most points in categories, not to score the most points vs. the ADP.

So if "everybody else" was taking Barry Bonds at #80 and I'm picking at #100, and Bonds is available in my league, and I don't want Bonds due to his injury risk, then taking Bonds just to "book" a 20-point gain in the "ADP race" is not necessarily the best move for me. If one of my opponents then takes Bonds at #105 and "books" a 25-point gain, that doesn't mean he'll win or even beat me in the standings. It just means that the other leagues went earlier on Bonds and our league went later on Bonds. But picking Bonds 2 rounds later than the other leagues won't necesarily win you the title.

And if Shawn Chacon is at an average of #296 and you took him at #396 then don't go patting yourself on the back too hard by "booking" that 100-point ADP gain. The other 14 guys in your league who avoided him even longer could have in fact, have a lot better teams than you by not getting stuck with Chacon and getting somebody else more useful instead.

So there's a lot of noise in those ADP variance numbers.

[ March 25, 2006, 02:55 AM: Message edited by: GoldenEagle ]

Mudster · Post by **Mudster** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:00 pm

.....but it's so much fun to see who can pee further....

sportsbettingman · Post by **sportsbettingman** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:20 pm

I agree with your post...but Bonds will make you eat your words...

.335 avg 39 HR 105 RBI, 98 Runs (...and all this in 123 games played)...please compare my prediction to the final stats for 2006...locals around here call me "brujo"...that's warlock in spanish. (because I am accurate in predicting things...sports/weather, etc)

~Lance

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:17 am

CC, while we are all arguing about ADP points, the whole point is to see who got the better lineup out of their draft, right? I took your list of players and tried to assemble what your starting lineup would be, please update so I can compare Apples to Apples....

Joe Mauer C

A.J. Pierzynski C

Justin Morneau 1B

Marcus Giles 2B

Hank Blalock 3B

Vladimir Guerrero RF

Lance Berkman 1B / OF (I assume OF?)

Jeremy Hermida RF

Corey Patterson CF

Jason Kubel RF

Dan Johnson 1B (1b/3b I assume?)

Jose Lopez 2B (2b/SS I assume)

Michael Cuddyer 3B (Util?)

Huston Street CL

Chad Orvella MR

Rich Harden SP

Oliver Perez SP

Francisco Liriano SP

Mike Mussina SP

Ryan Madson MR

Rafael Soriano MR

Jonathan Papelbon MR

Bench:

22 13 Jeremy Reed CF

23 3 Hanley Ramirez SS

24 13 B.J. Upton SS

25 3 Delmon Young RF

26 13 Scott Olsen SP

27 3 28 13 Kevin Millar 1B

29 3 Victor Diaz RF

30 13 Ian Snell

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:24 am

This is a very funny thread. People seem to feel that the accumulated wisdom of the 25 (I thought we had 22 btw, but I guess not?) leagues means nothing. ADP wasn't calculated against MockDraftCentrals list or ESPN, but against the stated preferences of Us. No one set out to 'win ADP' - I set out to draft the best possible team, given my choices at the time. For example, Podsednik fell to the top of the 5th round in my draft. I could have taken him (and dramatically increased my ADP #), but was focused on building a well rounded team, with great closers, good SP, reasonable speed, and great power. If you look closely at CC's team and mine, you will actually see a fair number of the same players - he even was able to get Hermidia a round later than me, but in general, I believe he 'over paid'. For example getting Oliver Perez in the 9th round, hurt his team IMHO. I was able to get Perez in the 15th round in a satellite draft and actually am worried he hasn't figured out how to stop walking people and he may be ruined... People seem to be focusing on the 60+ points for Larue but ignoring the more interesting picks like Getting Cano at +36.

What is the 'cost' of reaching up early for a player? Here is an example from my league where the 15th and 16th pick went a little interesting:

1 15 Jimmy Rollins SS Swedes Crush Meatballs

2 1 Travis Hafner 1B Swedes Crush Meatballs

2 2 Alfonso Soriano 2B East Coast Schwag

2 3 Chone Figgins 3B Building the Ark

2 4 Michael Young SS Team Steeves

2 5 Jose Reyes SS Gashouse Gang

2 6 Chase Utley 2B Air Lar

Anyway, I am glad to see that we have finally returned to the level of energy we had post draft last year

Spy

[ March 25, 2006, 07:31 AM: Message edited by: Spyhunter ]

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:04 am

Originally posted by GoldenEagle:

The goal of the event is to score the most points in categories, not to score the most points vs. the ADP.

So if "everybody else" was taking Barry Bonds at #80 and I'm picking at #100, and Bonds is available in my league, and I don't want Bonds due to his injury risk, then taking Bonds just to "book" a 20-point gain in the "ADP race" is not necessarily the best move for me. If one of my opponents then takes Bonds at #105 and "books" a 25-point gain, that doesn't mean he'll win or even beat me in the standings. It just means that the other leagues went earlier on Bonds and our league went later on Bonds. But picking Bonds 2 rounds later than the other leagues won't necesarily win you the title.

And if Shawn Chacon is at an average of #296 and you took him at #396 then don't go patting yourself on the back too hard by "booking" that 100-point ADP gain. The other 14 guys in your league who avoided him even longer could have in fact, have a lot better teams than you by not getting stuck with Chacon and getting somebody else more useful instead.

So there's a lot of noise in those ADP variance numbers. Nicely stated, and I agree with most of what you say here. ADP variance is an indication of how late you were able to get a player relative to the other 21 leagues, and really not much more. That said, I have to believe that there's some value in those early round +/- numbers. Getting Adam Dunn at +18 (pick 4.15) means that I was able to add a player that most teams took in the 3rd round. Essentially, this means that (assuming I wanted Dunn, which I did) I was able to get two third rounders in my draft.

Your Chacon example is a good one--I think I got Tim Wakefield at a +90 or something. A great pickup, but will it make the difference between winning and losing? Most likely not. As I stated on an earlier post, the focus of this discussion (which shouldn't be taken as a great scientific study, by the way) should be on the first 20 rounds. The first 10 rounds of ADP variance data are, of course, the most important.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:32 am

The data is from 22 main event leagues and the two Ultimate Draft Leagues. I'm not sure where the 25th league came from, but I'll find out from STATS. But I wanted to clarify that this data does include the draft orders from the two Ultimate Leagues as well.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:04 am

Thanks greg for looking into this. Now, if we could just get the ADP numbers by each team in our leagues, that would be amazing

Spy

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:38 am

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

CC, while we are all arguing about ADP points, the whole point is to see who got the better lineup out of their draft, right? I took your list of players and tried to assemble what your starting lineup would be, please update so I can compare Apples to Apples....

Joe Mauer C

A.J. Pierzynski C

Justin Morneau 1B

Marcus Giles 2B

Hank Blalock 3B

Vladimir Guerrero RF

Lance Berkman 1B / OF (I assume OF?)

Jeremy Hermida RF

Corey Patterson CF

Jason Kubel RF

Dan Johnson 1B (1b/3b I assume?)

Jose Lopez 2B (2b/SS I assume)

Michael Cuddyer 3B (Util?)

Huston Street CL

Chad Orvella MR

Rich Harden SP

Oliver Perez SP

Francisco Liriano SP

Mike Mussina SP

Ryan Madson MR

Rafael Soriano MR

Jonathan Papelbon MR

Bench:

22 13 Jeremy Reed CF

23 3 Hanley Ramirez SS

24 13 B.J. Upton SS

25 3 Delmon Young RF

26 13 Scott Olsen SP

27 3 28 13 Kevin Millar 1B

29 3 Victor Diaz RF

30 13 Ian Snell It's pretty close for the first week. I'll have to see what happens with a couple of minor injuries. As for Perez, judging by the groans on the other side of the table, I doubt I would have gotten him in the 10th. If he pitches like 04, I have a top pithcer. If he pitches like last year, oh well, it's going to be a long year. In round 10-15, I got players I thought I needed. I really not sure I would have got them all if they were drafted in a different way. My biggest edge over you is catcher, but an injury could ruin that. We all have opinions that is why we play this game. Good Luck!!

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:13 am

Probably want to use Hanley Ramirez at SS instead of bench.

I'm looking at CC's roster and, although I don't see how, I'm sure it's a Top 10 overall finisher

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:40 am

CC to confirm, we are set for $200 based on who finishes higher on the list of 330 right?

Spy

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:17 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

I agree with your post...but Bonds will make you eat your words...

.335 avg 39 HR 105 RBI, 98 Runs (...and all this in 123 games played)...please compare my prediction to the final stats for 2006...locals around here call me "brujo"...that's warlock in spanish. (because I am accurate in predicting things...sports/weather, etc)

~Lance Off the juice and bone-on-bone in the right knee? 123 games? Maybe, with 40 or 50 as a pitch hitter in the 9th...well, even the best prognosticators can get it wrong once or twice Brujo.

CC's Desperados · Post by **CC's Desperados** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:37 am

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

CC to confirm, we are set for $200 based on who finishes higher on the list of 330 right?

Spy Confirmed

Edwards Kings · Post by **Edwards Kings** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 9:44 am

When I look at my ADP results, it is the tale of two drafts...rounds 1 to 15 cumulative (0.72) and rounds 16 to 30 cumulative 215.6. Some of the early swings (just luck I guess with it coming out almost even) can be explained. For example, Borowski in the 10 was four and a half rounds outside the norm, but he was the 27th closer taken at that time (only Orvella, Reitsma, and 'dat bum in Cincy were left). I took two gambles in Prior in the 8th 1.7 rounds early(I know...I know...if I can get 180 innings I will be doing good) and Barrett in the 9th 1.65 rounds early(not really a Cubs fan, but to me all the arrows are pointing to a banner year). Did think I got value in Glaus in the 7th (hate the BA, but could not let 35+ HR slip at that round).

Rounds 11 through 17 were a combined 123.64 picks to the good with no one in "negative territory" (Vazquez, D. Davis, Preston Wilson, Gibbons, Ibanez, and Millwood respectively). Could be some good value there if you can stomach Vazquez and Millwood's home parks).

After that, I am just filling in the rest of the roster and taking some gambles. Thought I had value in J. Reed in the 20th (three rounds later than average)...oh well.

But the many posters are right. It is not just your pick to the average, but why you had to pick what you did when you did....

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:53 pm

Originally posted by seefer:

Hey Shawn, great seeing you in Vegas. Good luck this year.

As far as who go whom for what, throw it down the chitter... it all depends on those 2 or 3 guys that make the difference... and INJURIES!!!

And I'd put a cool thousand $$ on CC's team I talked with RT and we feel our honor has been challenged We are willing to take on 1 more bet for who does better our team or CC's. Whoever offers us the best odds gets the bet. Chest? Seefer? you want to get in on this? Since you feel so strongly?

Spy

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:19 pm

Originally posted by Spyhunter:

quote:Originally posted by seefer:

Hey Shawn, great seeing you in Vegas. Good luck this year.

As far as who go whom for what, throw it down the chitter... it all depends on those 2 or 3 guys that make the difference... and INJURIES!!!

And I'd put a cool thousand $$ on CC's team I talked with RT and we feel our honor has been challenged We are willing to take on 1 more bet for who does better our team or CC's. Whoever offers us the best odds gets the bet. Chest? Seefer? you want to get in on this? Since you feel so strongly?

Spy [/QUOTE]Unfortunately my sources tell me it took an act of Congress to get you to pay last year so I will resist the urge. I hope you do well- it takes sacks to take on one of the best people in this contest. You have a lot of confidence in what I would consider a pretty mediocre team- go out and prove me wrong.

Lost Sailor · Post by **Lost Sailor** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:58 pm

Doesn't all of this ADP stuff depend on the knowledge of your specific draft table? I mean, I would have loved to be in on that league with a 15/16 of Rollins and Hafner. There were a lot of guys on my 'wait for them to fall' list that didn't fall.

Big Fish · Post by **Big Fish** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 4:34 pm

I think the ADP is completely overrated, despite registering what would be considered a decent total of + 453.

2 of my earlier picks, Polanco in the 9th and D. Johnson in the early 11th were taken approximately 21 picks ahead of the average, which should hurt me more than picking up 60 pts for Scott Olsen (although I really like Jose Castillo in the late 27th round!) in the 29th round.

However, that being said, 2B was off the board early in our draft, and Polanco just made perfect sense for my team as I did not want to go without a solid 2b. So I reached according to ADP 1 1/2 rounds early. The same for Johnson.

But....if you like Polanco batting 2nd in Detroit (I took Granderson in the 13th) and Johnson batting in the 5 hole (perhaps 4 hole when Frank Thomas hits the DL) and it makes sense for the team you are filling out, and you are targeting these players as players you want, the ADP margin becomes less significant. One must look not solely at ADP but team balance and the risk of losing a player you expect to break out (in this case Johnson) just to draft to the mean. There are outliers, on both sides of the mean, and although it may not be ideal to draft a player higher than the mean, it is better to have the player you want than lose him to another player who may also deviate from a strategy based around ADP.

I also took Carlos Lee ahead of Lance Berkman. Most would disagree with this pick, and the margin of this pick is -5 pts from the ADP mean. However, our draft strategy was to take our top 6 picks from a pool of the best and most "reliable" players, that is players who have healthy track records, and therefore the negative variance (-5.2)is a a result of different drafting philosphies, ie drafting solely from "projected" returns for an individual player "if healthy" and say our approach of projected "health".

It is clearly an interesting excercise and entertaining discussion, however, when deciding your next pick, it is better to get the player you want than to have to scramble for the next best option that you are less enthused about.

All that really matters are the final points. How we get there is what makes this game so fun, and of course, talking a bit of smack along the way.

Best of Luck

Camp Fightin' Amish

PittIsIt95 · Post by **PittIsIt95** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:35 pm

Originally posted by CC's Desperados:

quote:Originally posted by Spyhunter:

CC, while we are all arguing about ADP points, the whole point is to see who got the better lineup out of their draft, right? I took your list of players and tried to assemble what your starting lineup would be, please update so I can compare Apples to Apples....

Joe Mauer C

A.J. Pierzynski C

Justin Morneau 1B

Marcus Giles 2B

Hank Blalock 3B

Vladimir Guerrero RF

Lance Berkman 1B / OF (I assume OF?)

Jeremy Hermida RF

Corey Patterson CF

Jason Kubel RF

Dan Johnson 1B (1b/3b I assume?)

Jose Lopez 2B (2b/SS I assume)

Michael Cuddyer 3B (Util?)

Huston Street CL

Chad Orvella MR

Rich Harden SP

Oliver Perez SP

Francisco Liriano SP

Mike Mussina SP

Ryan Madson MR

Rafael Soriano MR

Jonathan Papelbon MR

Bench:

22 13 Jeremy Reed CF

23 3 Hanley Ramirez SS

24 13 B.J. Upton SS

25 3 Delmon Young RF

26 13 Scott Olsen SP

27 3 28 13 Kevin Millar 1B

29 3 Victor Diaz RF

30 13 Ian Snell It's pretty close for the first week. I'll have to see what happens with a couple of minor injuries. As for Perez, judging by the groans on the other side of the table, I doubt I would have gotten him in the 10th. If he pitches like 04, I have a top pithcer. If he pitches like last year, oh well, it's going to be a long year. In round 10-15, I got players I thought I needed. I really not sure I would have got them all if they were drafted in a different way. My biggest edge over you is catcher, but an injury could ruin that. We all have opinions that is why we play this game. Good Luck!! [/QUOTE]CC, I was at the other side of the table and the noises came from me and my partner... but I don't think that was groans(after your pick of Oliver), I think that was me chuckling that he went that high. Just from being a Pirate fan (Ughhhh) and knowing the fact he hasn't hit the 90's this spring... makes for a long season. But I can be wrong, that is what is great about this stuff!! Good luck in LV5 and hopefully we are fighting for the top spot.

Return of the Aces · Post by **Return of the Aces** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:14 pm

In my perspective, the best way to assess the ADP is to take into account the viable alternatives that were available to you when you made a selection. For instance, when I made my selection at 6.13 in NY7, I noted that 14 3B had already been drafted. Prior to the draft, I determined that Nomar Garciaparra was probably an 8th-10th round pick. So, I had a choice to make. I could have waited a round or two more to act on 3B, but there was the possibility that my options at the position would be further diminished. As a result, I took Nomar "early"

(-43). For comparison sake, in Tampa 3, only 10 3B were drafted at the conclusion of the 6th round. If I was in the Tampa league, my options would have been deeper at 3B and I could have gone in a completely different direction. In that scenario, if I would have hypothetically taken Nomar over someone like Ensberg or Blalock, it would have been a bad ADP selection.

Knacks · Post by **Knacks** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:32 pm

So how do you guys feel about about my Jose Reyes and Big Papi Ortiz selections at 12 and 19 respectively?