Please explain how random is unfair long term.
Remove the "BLIND" part and it becomes quite fair...and we control our destiny, knowing what others are willing to bid, and deciding if it's worth the risk to bid one dollar more..
Keep the bidding blind...and you have TONS of luck...more luck than random or KDS.
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Originally posted by Lost Sailor:
Wow.. I stopped reading midway thru the third page of this thread. Waaay too may analogy stretches.If a tree falls in the woods, and nobody hears it, does that mean BBDS is better than KDS?
Seriously, I'm all for BBDS. It's a great system that I've only had the pleasure of using once (NFFC's Gekko Invitational II)--probably helped me to win the league by securing the 3rd pick. Well, that, and the guy who outbid me for the 2nd pick taking Priest Holmes instead of Shaun Alexander. :rolleyes:
Whatever the system, I only hope my good fortune continues in landing top picks.
Wow.. I stopped reading midway thru the third page of this thread. Waaay too may analogy stretches.If a tree falls in the woods, and nobody hears it, does that mean BBDS is better than KDS?
Seriously, I'm all for BBDS. It's a great system that I've only had the pleasure of using once (NFFC's Gekko Invitational II)--probably helped me to win the league by securing the 3rd pick. Well, that, and the guy who outbid me for the 2nd pick taking Priest Holmes instead of Shaun Alexander. :rolleyes:
Whatever the system, I only hope my good fortune continues in landing top picks.
Did KDS Work In The NFBC This Year?
Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:
quote:Originally posted by GoldenEagle:
Just thinking about what competitions in the universe have the most elements of "luck" and "skill" and I always come back to CHESS as perhaps being the game that is pretty much 100% skill.
Or is it? Even in chess, you have a random draw to see who plays with the white pieces and who gets the black pieces. And it matters a great deal to the strategy and tactics of the game and match once the draw has been decided.
The best chess masters in the world have learned how to win from every starting position.
Wouldn't there also be some merit to the best Fantasy Sports competitors as being able to "win from any draft spot" as well? it's been some time since i've read as many posts from a single person that is filled with non-issues.
i'm not sure you've answered the question i asked you: how would you like a system where weekly free agents were determined randomly (instead of using FAAB).
can you do so? thanks again. [/QUOTE]LOL... Your question is a non-issue.
I like BBDS concept, you know that. But I'm beginning to think the differences are not as wide as one would suspect.
How fair is it to start with less faab?
quote:Originally posted by GoldenEagle:
Just thinking about what competitions in the universe have the most elements of "luck" and "skill" and I always come back to CHESS as perhaps being the game that is pretty much 100% skill.
Or is it? Even in chess, you have a random draw to see who plays with the white pieces and who gets the black pieces. And it matters a great deal to the strategy and tactics of the game and match once the draw has been decided.
The best chess masters in the world have learned how to win from every starting position.
Wouldn't there also be some merit to the best Fantasy Sports competitors as being able to "win from any draft spot" as well? it's been some time since i've read as many posts from a single person that is filled with non-issues.
i'm not sure you've answered the question i asked you: how would you like a system where weekly free agents were determined randomly (instead of using FAAB).
can you do so? thanks again. [/QUOTE]LOL... Your question is a non-issue.
I like BBDS concept, you know that. But I'm beginning to think the differences are not as wide as one would suspect.
How fair is it to start with less faab?
Did KDS Work In The NFBC This Year?
Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
As far as UFS's comments- it is not about how many people get their favorite spot it is about an equal playing field to get to that favorite spot. It is readily available. I know your response will be there is no bad picks just bad owners, which I then will ask the jury to look at last year's standings around place 190.LOL. My "tag" line has nothing to do with what happened to you, so that would not be my response.
Next year with BBDS, you will bid $850 on the #1 choice, but that will wind up being the 9th highest bid for #1, and you will be the fourth BBDS owner to get his 15th choice.
As far as 190, Tejeda, A.Ramirez, J.Lopez. I was 30-to-60 until then. I liked winning $8k in the mid though. Thanks for these comments in $100 SAT voting, "stoled my pick 2-3 times, this team will contend. Good offense considering you went pitcher in the first round." We will have fun in that one for sure as you did well also.
In random, every owner has a 1 in 15 chance of getting any pick. That's as equal and level as it can be.
KDS simply improves the odds that someone might get their #1 choice, and probably top four choices.
In BBDS, I'd like to have the #1 pick, but it's not fair to me that I'd have to waste too much faab to get it. That's not an equal playing field. My KDS was 1-2-8-9.
So what's not fair to you in KDS isn't fair to me in BBDS. My point in all of this is that the grass might not be as green as you think on the other side. No system is ever perfect.
Another thought on this is that BBDS might have too much of an impact of the overall standings when owners get into a frenzy right before BBDS deadlines and then see something like 20% of the owners not getting any decent FAAB players over the course of the year. I don't think the method of the draft order selection process should determine the outcome to that degree. (Commish hat on here of course)
GG will no doubt disagree with me on that one. Getting the feeling this is why he pushes it so hard, just another advantage...
[ March 31, 2006, 03:40 AM: Message edited by: UFS ]
As far as UFS's comments- it is not about how many people get their favorite spot it is about an equal playing field to get to that favorite spot. It is readily available. I know your response will be there is no bad picks just bad owners, which I then will ask the jury to look at last year's standings around place 190.LOL. My "tag" line has nothing to do with what happened to you, so that would not be my response.
Next year with BBDS, you will bid $850 on the #1 choice, but that will wind up being the 9th highest bid for #1, and you will be the fourth BBDS owner to get his 15th choice.
As far as 190, Tejeda, A.Ramirez, J.Lopez. I was 30-to-60 until then. I liked winning $8k in the mid though. Thanks for these comments in $100 SAT voting, "stoled my pick 2-3 times, this team will contend. Good offense considering you went pitcher in the first round." We will have fun in that one for sure as you did well also.
In random, every owner has a 1 in 15 chance of getting any pick. That's as equal and level as it can be.
KDS simply improves the odds that someone might get their #1 choice, and probably top four choices.
In BBDS, I'd like to have the #1 pick, but it's not fair to me that I'd have to waste too much faab to get it. That's not an equal playing field. My KDS was 1-2-8-9.
So what's not fair to you in KDS isn't fair to me in BBDS. My point in all of this is that the grass might not be as green as you think on the other side. No system is ever perfect.
Another thought on this is that BBDS might have too much of an impact of the overall standings when owners get into a frenzy right before BBDS deadlines and then see something like 20% of the owners not getting any decent FAAB players over the course of the year. I don't think the method of the draft order selection process should determine the outcome to that degree. (Commish hat on here of course)
GG will no doubt disagree with me on that one. Getting the feeling this is why he pushes it so hard, just another advantage...
[ March 31, 2006, 03:40 AM: Message edited by: UFS ]
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Originally posted by UFS:
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
As far as UFS's comments- it is not about how many people get their favorite spot it is about an equal playing field to get to that favorite spot. It is readily available. I know your response will be there is no bad picks just bad owners, which I then will ask the jury to look at last year's standings around place 190.LOL. My "tag" line has nothing to do with what happened to you, so that would not be my response.
Next year with BBDS, you will bid $850 on the #1 choice, but that will wind up being the 9th highest bid for #1, and you will be the fourth BBDS owner to get his 15th choice.
As far as 190, Tejeda, A.Ramirez, J.Lopez. I was 30-to-60 until then. I liked winning $8k in the mid though. Thanks for these comments in $100 SAT voting, "stoled my pick 2-3 times, this team will contend. Good offense considering you went pitcher in the first round." We will have fun in that one for sure as you did well also.
In random, every owner has a 1 in 15 chance of getting any pick. That's as equal and level as it can be.
KDS simply improves the odds that someone might get their #1 choice, and probably top four choices.
In BBDS, I'd like to have the #1 pick, but it's not fair to me that I'd have to waste too much faab to get it. That's not an equal playing field. My KDS was 1-2-8-9.
So what's not fair to you in KDS isn't fair to me in BBDS. My point in all of this is that the grass might not be as green as you think on the other side. No system is ever perfect.
Another thought on this is that BBDS might have too much of an impact of the overall standings when owners get into a frenzy right before BBDS deadlines and then see something like 20% of the owners not getting any decent FAAB players over the course of the year. I don't think the method of the draft order selection process should determine the outcome to that degree. (Commish hat on here of course)
GG will no doubt disagree with me on that one. Getting the feeling this is why he pushes it so hard, just another advantage... [/QUOTE]John, Do you get so few compliments that when someone gives you one that you bring it up a month later. I can give you a compliment a day. Today's is you are a good speller, unlike me you have very few misspelled words on your posts.
[ March 31, 2006, 08:17 AM: Message edited by: Chest Rockwell ]
quote:Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:
As far as UFS's comments- it is not about how many people get their favorite spot it is about an equal playing field to get to that favorite spot. It is readily available. I know your response will be there is no bad picks just bad owners, which I then will ask the jury to look at last year's standings around place 190.LOL. My "tag" line has nothing to do with what happened to you, so that would not be my response.
Next year with BBDS, you will bid $850 on the #1 choice, but that will wind up being the 9th highest bid for #1, and you will be the fourth BBDS owner to get his 15th choice.
As far as 190, Tejeda, A.Ramirez, J.Lopez. I was 30-to-60 until then. I liked winning $8k in the mid though. Thanks for these comments in $100 SAT voting, "stoled my pick 2-3 times, this team will contend. Good offense considering you went pitcher in the first round." We will have fun in that one for sure as you did well also.
In random, every owner has a 1 in 15 chance of getting any pick. That's as equal and level as it can be.
KDS simply improves the odds that someone might get their #1 choice, and probably top four choices.
In BBDS, I'd like to have the #1 pick, but it's not fair to me that I'd have to waste too much faab to get it. That's not an equal playing field. My KDS was 1-2-8-9.
So what's not fair to you in KDS isn't fair to me in BBDS. My point in all of this is that the grass might not be as green as you think on the other side. No system is ever perfect.
Another thought on this is that BBDS might have too much of an impact of the overall standings when owners get into a frenzy right before BBDS deadlines and then see something like 20% of the owners not getting any decent FAAB players over the course of the year. I don't think the method of the draft order selection process should determine the outcome to that degree. (Commish hat on here of course)
GG will no doubt disagree with me on that one. Getting the feeling this is why he pushes it so hard, just another advantage...
[/QUOTE]John, Do you get so few compliments that when someone gives you one that you bring it up a month later. I can give you a compliment a day. Today's is you are a good speller, unlike me you have very few misspelled words on your posts.[ March 31, 2006, 08:17 AM: Message edited by: Chest Rockwell ]