NFBC fraudulent?

Stefan · Post by **Stefan** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 9:28 pm

I am curious to know if NFBC has ever actually paid out any prize money to anyone on this board. Greg Ambrosius owes me $200 in affiliate money, and although I contacted him as early as November 18 last year and sent him as many as a dozen (twelve!) emails since then, he still didn't care to pay out a single cent.

He did honor me with a couple of replies in December and January, acknowledging that he indeed owes me $200 and apologizing for the delay, but after sending my payment address, he stopped replying to my emails.

Has anybody else had similar experience? Is the NFBC in financial trouble? Or is it just because I don't live in the US, and that NFBC thinks that they can do this to foreigners and get away with it?

Stefan Micke

(Fantasy Baseball Hub)

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:15 am

This makes no sense, nobody has ever had this promblem,for a measley 200 dollars why would he ruin his name.Something isnt right here.

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:34 am

Originally posted by Stefan:

I am curious to know if NFBC has ever actually paid out any prize money to anyone on this board. Greg Ambrosius owes me $200 in affiliate money, and although I contacted him as early as November 18 last year and sent him as many as a dozen (twelve!) emails since then, he still didn't care to pay out a single cent.

He did honor me with a couple of replies in December and January, acknowledging that he indeed owes me $200 and apologizing for the delay, but after sending my payment address, he stopped replying to my emails.

Has anybody else had similar experience? Is the NFBC in financial trouble? Or is it just because I don't live in the US, and that NFBC thinks that they can do this to foreigners and get away with it?

Stefan Micke

(Fantasy Baseball Hub) Waaah, Waaah, Waah

viper · Post by **viper** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:46 am

is this a joke post??

I got paid quickly and somehow believe that this board would be littered with posts if payments were not made. And if not this board, multiple other boards would.

Dirt Dogs · Post by **Dirt Dogs** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:07 am

Hey whats your address? if we get 200 of the 300 members to send you $1 you will have your $200!

Rey · Post by **Rey** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:08 am

Not only did I get paid quickly, but after I was a bit of a lazy ass in getting my tax form filled out, Greg actually called me to remind me to fill out the form so he could pay me QUICKER!!!

Stefan · Post by **Stefan** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:29 am

Originally posted by eddiejag:

for a measley 200 dollars why would he ruin his name.Something isnt right here. Exactly my thoughts.

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:37 am

Originally posted by Stefan:

I am curious to know if NFBC has ever actually paid out any prize money to anyone on this board. Greg Ambrosius owes me $200 in affiliate money, and although I contacted him as early as November 18 last year and sent him as many as a dozen (twelve!) emails since then, he still didn't care to pay out a single cent.

He did honor me with a couple of replies in December and January, acknowledging that he indeed owes me $200 and apologizing for the delay, but after sending my payment address, he stopped replying to my emails.

Has anybody else had similar experience? Is the NFBC in financial trouble? Or is it just because I don't live in the US, and that NFBC thinks that they can do this to foreigners and get away with it?

Stefan Micke

(Fantasy Baseball Hub) Stefan, have you ever filled out a W-4 FORM for NFBC? Somehow I suspect no. Don't try and cheat Uncle Sam!

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:43 am

Originally posted by Stefan:

Greg Ambrosius owes me $200 in affiliate money

Stefan Micke

(Fantasy Baseball Hub)

Stefan · Post by **Stefan** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:45 am

Stefan, have you ever filled out a W-4 FORM for NFBC? Somehow I suspect no. Don't try and cheat Uncle Sam! Actually, that's not a requirement - remember that I don't live in the US.

[ March 30, 2006, 07:46 AM: Message edited by: Stefan ]

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:46 am

Is that like monopoly money? If he owes you 200 bucks don't be classless and put it on our boards, he's given his number freely here, be a man and call him.

Stefan · Post by **Stefan** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:54 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

Is that like monopoly money? If he owes you 200 bucks don't be classless and put it on our boards, he's given his number freely here, be a man and call him. Doughboys, please explain to me why it's classless to be fed up after over four months of waiting. To me what Greg did is classless - but maybe I'm missing your point.

Greg knows that he owes me money, so what would be the point in calling him? Shout at him on the phone? Spell it out for him? Sing him a little chanson to get him in paying mood?

mdz129 · Post by **mdz129** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:54 am

Do you have the right to work in the US. Do you have a green card or H2B2 work visa? Post your address so we can send you a buck(US Dollar) and get your complaint off this board and out of this super organization!!!

DOUGHBOYS · Post by **DOUGHBOYS** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:07 am

[/qb][/QUOTE]Doughboys, please explain to me why it's classless to be fed up after over four months of waiting. To me what Greg did is classless - but maybe I'm missing your point.

Greg knows that he owes me money, so what would be the point in calling him? Shout at him on the phone? Spell it out for him? Sing him a little chanson to get him in paying mood? [/QB][/quote]

My point, Stefan, is that even if your allegation is true, that going on our message boards to collect your measley 200 bucks is classless. Similar to an ex-wife going to a man's work to whine about alimony, get it?

Hopefully, you're not giving your fantasy cricket Commishioner the same kind of headaches.

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:12 am

Originally posted by Stefan:

quote:Stefan, have you ever filled out a W-4 FORM for NFBC? Somehow I suspect no. Don't try and cheat Uncle Sam! Actually, that's not a requirement - remember that I don't live in the US.

[/QUOTE]It certainly is. you can't not earn income in the US without being taxed. Without the W-4 they can find or tax you. I know, I lived overseas for 6 years. It's the same reason why I can not own mutual funds (on Schwab) if my address is overseas.

[ March 30, 2006, 08:20 AM: Message edited by: nydownunder ]

Stefan · Post by **Stefan** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:15 am

My point, Stefan, is that even if your allegation is true, that going on our message boards to collect your measley 200 bucks is classless. Similar to an ex-wife going to a man's work to whine about alimony, get it?

Hopefully, you're not giving your fantasy cricket Commishioner the same kind of headaches.I know it's dirty play, but honestly, what am I supposed to do? Considering my options, after him peeing on my leg, my best bet is to pee on his leg as well and hope for a reaction. It's also a matter of principle that I can't/won't let him get away with this.

To those in this thread who seem to think it's cool to bash me for no particular reason - maybe you could kindly consider how you would feel in my situation?

Stefan · Post by **Stefan** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:22 am

It certainly is. you can not earn income in the US without being taxed. Without the W-4 they can find or tax you. I know, I lived overseas for 6 years. It's the same reason why I can not own mutual funds (on Schwab) if my address is overseas. I bet you $200 that it's not.

Seriously, W-4 has absolutely zip to do with this, it's for employees.

Apart from that fact, I'm not sure about the point you're trying to make. You mean, the fact that Greg wrongly thinks I need a W-4 form is a reason NOT to tell me but simply don't send the money he owes me and ignore me instead?

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:33 am

Originally posted by Stefan:

quote:It certainly is. you can not earn income in the US without being taxed. Without the W-4 they can find or tax you. I know, I lived overseas for 6 years. It's the same reason why I can not own mutual funds (on Schwab) if my address is overseas. I bet you $200 that it's not.

Seriously, W-4 has absolutely zip to do with this, it's for employees.

Apart from that fact, I'm not sure about the point you're trying to make. You mean, the fact that Greg wrongly thinks I need a W-4 form is a reason NOT to tell me but simply don't send the money he owes me and ignore me instead? [/QUOTE]Stefan all money winners in the NFBC have to complete a W-4 form. If not the IRS has no record of this income (ie $100k).

[ March 30, 2006, 08:34 AM: Message edited by: nydownunder ]

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:36 am

Originally posted by Stefan:

I am curious to know if NFBC has ever actually paid out any prize money to anyone on this board. Greg Ambrosius owes me $200 in affiliate money, and although I contacted him as early as November 18 last year and sent him as many as a dozen (twelve!) emails since then, he still didn't care to pay out a single cent.

He did honor me with a couple of replies in December and January, acknowledging that he indeed owes me $200 and apologizing for the delay, but after sending my payment address, he stopped replying to my emails.

Has anybody else had similar experience? Is the NFBC in financial trouble? Or is it just because I don't live in the US, and that NFBC thinks that they can do this to foreigners and get away with it?

Stefan Micke

(Fantasy Baseball Hub)

Stefan · Post by **Stefan** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:38 am

Stefan all money winners in the NFBC have to complete a W-4 form. If not the IRS has no record of this income (ie $100k). Yes, that's because they live in the US. It's simply a matter of where you pay your taxes.

Quahogs · Post by **Quahogs** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:42 am

nope, never experienced anything but prompt responses and prompt payments. Not sure what affiliate money is, but have you thought of CALLING THE GUY ??? The man's direct line is all over the boards. That's how I would handle it if email comm. wasnt working. I dont know your plight nor Greg's side but hitting the MB with NFBC Fraudulent ? is a lame way of going about things. JMHO.

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:43 am

Must be a slow news day. Stefan, this sounds like an issue for KP's accounting department. Greg doesn't issue or sign the checks, so why the attempt to sully an honest man's name over such a trivial issue?

I can guarantee you of this--you're not generating an ounce of sympathy with this group. That is your point (sympathy) in bringing this matter to our attention, isn't it?

I think I speak for all of us here when I say "Don't let the door hit you, where the good Lord split you."

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:46 am

Originally posted by King of Queens:

Must be a slow news day. Stefan, this sounds like an issue for KP's accounting department. Greg doesn't issue or sign the checks, so why the attempt to sully an honest man's name over such a trivial issue?

I can guarantee you of this--you're not generating an ounce of sympathy with this group. That is your point (sympathy) in bringing this matter to our attention, isn't it?

I think I speak for all of us here when I say "Don't let the door hit you, where the good Lord split you." Stefan,

This is the part of the conversation where if we were all in person a few guys would be beginning to stand up and offer to show you the door personally.

Also you know what I hope Greg's public response is to this- nothing...

It does not dignify a response and there are about 325 of the 330 guys who would not loose one ounce of trust in the guy or this contest, so your efforts have failed.

mdz129 · Post by **mdz129** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:48 am

It's a W-9 not W-4(employment form) for winners. For foreigners It's a different W-? form( look on www.irs.gov for form number.

Tom Kessenich · Post by **Tom Kessenich** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:49 am

Stefan, as all of our participants know we run a fair and honest event (both the NFBC and NFFC). We pay all of our winners and we pay everyone for their referrals. If there is a delay of some kind in the process it is likely due to the obstacles that will often arise with a major company such as ours. That is not an excuse, it is a fact.

In any event, if you believe that you are owed referral money please contact me by phone (715 445-4612 ext. 653) or by e-mail ([email protected]) with the people you referred to our event. I will talk to our accounting staff and we will get the matter resolved.

Given how that should put an end to this discussion I'm going to lock the thread.