$$$ Jose Fernandez $$$

[KJ Duke]

Is he worth the $400-900 bids he got today? We'll see. What does he have to do to be worth that? What's the numbers he has to reach? Does he get there?

All that said, I bid on him in every one of my leagues. However I won him nowhere.

I bid 130-280 depending on need. I think the low win total is correct, and the K totals may disappoint for fantasy because he looks like a 5.5 IP/st guy, needing plenty of pitches to get guys out - and that's before hitters adjust to him.

So even if he's a 9k/9 pitcher he plays more like a 7k/9 pitcher. Where I won him I had a dominant offense and just lost Greinke, so it looked like a decent gamble - winning him 280-278. Even there, I'm not sure he's worth the price. I'd bet most of the the $500-900 winners will wish they hadn't won him as the season wears on.

[COZ]

Was at the All-Star Game in KC this past summer holding court at a bar when some east coast guy with an obnoxious New York accent (attitude?) saddled up next to me. I moved aside to give him some room. He ordered some shots and drinks. I made a smart-ass comment to him about his accent. We started talking, he bought me a shot, found out he was an agent. Yes, the agent for young Jose Fernandez, who was pitching in the Futures game. Told him I was going to the game, that I remembered his story from the MLB Draft about fleeing Cuba. He brought me back to meet Jose who was at a table in the restaurant area. Looked like he was 16 to me. Big kid. He may have had skinny jeans on and teenager gym shoes. Shook his hand and wished him well. He seemed genuinely flattered that I knew who he was. Nice kid. Agent was a great guy, some Irish named-Miami guy with that New York accent. Hope young Jose has a Gooden-like year. After seeing how young he is though, no way I'm putting all my FAAB on such a young kid.

That's my brush with Jose Fernandez. This will conclude story-time with Coz. Hope you enjoyed it.

COZ

[Glenneration X]

Is he worth the $400-900 bids he got today? We'll see. What does he have to do to be worth that? What's the numbers he has to reach? Does he get there?

All that said, I bid on him in every one of my leagues. However I won him nowhere.

I bid 130-280 depending on need. I think the low win total is correct, and the K totals may disappoint for fantasy because he looks like a 5.5 IP/st guy, needing plenty of pitches to get guys out - and that's before hitters adjust to him.

So even if he's a 9k/9 pitcher he plays more like a 7k/9 pitcher. Where I won him I had a dominant offense and just lost Greinke, so it looked like a decent gamble - winning him 280-278. Even there, I'm not sure he's worth the price. I'd bet most of the the $500-900 winners will wish they hadn't won him as the season wears on.

Wow, almost exactly my bid range on Fernandez. 160-280. Man KJ, we agree on a lot of players this season.
Here's to hoping you have a great year.

[kgrady]

Jose Fernandez went for $428 in NY2 with runner-up bid of $427. Too rich from my perspective. I bid in the low 100's. There have been lots of comparisons to Dwight Gooden, but I see big differences. Gooden pitched back when no one was concerned about pitch counts or innings limits. Fernandez looks like a kid who is going to pitch 6 innings per start. I would think he'll have an innings limit although I haven't heard as such. The Marlins are brutal, so even if Fernandez continues to pitch well the wins are likely to be rare. Realistically, I see him as a three category asset who may get the plug pulled at some point to protect his arm. His talent and strikeout potential are intriguing and worth taking a shot, but $400+ is too much to spend, IMHO.

Kevin

[BK METS]

Is he worth the $400-900 bids he got today? We'll see. What does he have to do to be worth that? What's the numbers he has to reach? Does he get there?

All that said, I bid on him in every one of my leagues. However I won him nowhere.

I bid 130-280 depending on need. I think the low win total is correct, and the K totals may disappoint for fantasy because he looks like a 5.5 IP/st guy, needing plenty of pitches to get guys out - and that's before hitters adjust to him.

So even if he's a 9k/9 pitcher he plays more like a 7k/9 pitcher. Where I won him I had a dominant offense and just lost Greinke, so it looked like a decent gamble - winning him 280-278. Even there, I'm not sure he's worth the price. I'd bet most of the the $500-900 winners will wish they hadn't won him as the season wears on.

I won him in 3 leagues where I had weak pitching... It took $632 to win him in 2 auction leagues and $455 in the other OC. The way I look at it is, I can spend $50-100 on average fliers all season or pay a lot on 1 stud. And it is early enough in the season where, spending a lot on a guy gives you nearly an entire year of stats, even if his innings are cut short. Bidding $400-600 on a guy in April is a lot different than bidding $400-600 on a guy in August-September, when a lot of rookies will be called up... and then, you only get 1 or 2 months of production, so what's the point in waiting when a guy with his talent is available from the beginning of the season.. How often does that happen? Most young studs who have a chance to make the majors in the first few months, are already rostered. It is a rare situation and this is why the big $$. Will it payoff, we will see. But then again, I lost out on him in many leagues and was able to pick up Jake Westbrook - Woohoo!!

[Hells Satans]

It will happen in June when Gerritt Cole gets called up.

[BK METS]

It will happen in June when Gerritt Cole gets called up.

Problem with that is, Cole is already rostered in most ME leagues.

[The Mighty Men]

It will happen in June when Gerritt Cole gets called up.

It will happen next week with Cingrani.

[Hells Satans]

It will happen in June when Gerritt Cole gets called up.

Problem with that is, Cole is already rostered in most ME leagues.

Yeah, I suppose he is. There is always someone.

[jblume33]

Agree with BK. I have to think most people bid on Fernandez, no? Now the question is how much? I guess the $3 bid is a lot different than the $500+ bid but for the most part you are talking $250-$500. It is FAAB. Isn't most everyone you are going to spend on either young with potential or a guy who found himself some PT, hence the decent size money when a closer becomes available. You can certainly pay the $6 on a MI when Aybar goes down or $40 on an OF like Reimold that may give you a decent return and add some nice depth but when people spend they spend on talent. Albert Pujols has talent but will not be available in FAAB. I think most will agree this kid has talent and you can certainly argue he is young, no resume, plays for a bad team, will be on an innings limit, talent will not be fully be maximized and that is all true. Just depends on what you expect out of him. He may ultimately be Max Scherzer or Johnny Cueto of a few years back but I am ok with that for now. It just depends how he fits in your rotation. He certainIy bolsters an already good staff. I think most will agree he should not be your number 1, 2 or 3 but he is a nice 5th, 6th or 7th. I guess I was willing to spend $500 on that -- time will tell especially up next in Cincinnati where he probably will not pitch on one of the two teams we acquired him. And you can bet Cingrani gets the same attention next week. Wasted money, maybe, but I have to tell you when I saw we won him in two leagues I was happy to see him on my roster even for $500 compared to where we lost him in two of our other leagues to $600+ bids.

[KJ Duke]

Wow, almost exactly my bid range on Fernandez. 160-280. Man KJ, we agree on a lot of players this season. Here's to hoping you have a great year.

I'll take that as a good sign since you appear to be leading the overall!

[Sebadiah23]

Great story Coz

[poopytooth]

I think he will reward owners who have him. The bigger concern I had with too large a bid is it locks you in to this one player. If someone else comes up OR you have injuries, which seem to be happening a lot already, you don't have the money for bids. I will say though. This is better than most players that wiill be available this year. Cingrani will be fun to watch bid results on. Will he stay or get sent back down in a couple weeks? Leake could be replaced, but will Dusty do that & if so, how will he handle him?

I will be watching closely, but also thinking of seasons when i needed players and couldnt win them because i had spent faab in middle of june. Always nice to have some money left down the back stretch.

[Glenneration X]

I will say this. It's a helluva lot more interesting seeing the bids on a young stud future ace like Fernandez than watching so many sink half their FAAB bankroll on the new closer of the day each Sunday last spring week after week after week during last year's early season closer carnage.

Ummm, strike that. That was kinda interesting too.

[Tom Kessenich]

I'll be talking about this on the RotoWire show on Sirius today and Greg and I will dive into the #s on STATS Fantasy Advantage Wednesday night but here's a quick overview of the heavy (and I do mean heavy) Fernandez action last night:

Main Event - went as high as $923, lowest bid was $333. 17 bids of $500 or more (50% of FAAB)

NFBC XII - highest bid was $746. lowest was $280. 8 bids of at least $500 (50% of FAAB)

RotoWire Online Championship - highest bid was $703, lowest bid was $169

[King of Queens]

I'll be talking about this on the RotoWire show on Sirius today and Greg and I will dive into the #s on STATS Fantasy Advantage Wednesday night but here's a quick overview of the heavy (and I do mean heavy) Fernandez action last night:

Main Event - went as high as $923, lowest bid was $333. 17 bids of $500 or more (50% of FAAB)

NFBC XII - highest bid was $746. lowest was $280. 8 bids of at least $500 (50% of FAAB)

RotoWire Online Championship - highest bid was $703, lowest bid was $169

He was picked up in 26 of 29 main events this week (drafted in the 29th or 30th round in 3 leagues).

[Billyhaze]

To each their own, No way was a bidding anything over 200 for him. , although i'm glad i did draft him in DC

[swampass]

i dont get bids over 350ish for anyone. starting pitchers when they are at their best give you help in 4 catergories. this guy will help in only 3 and thats if nobody figures him out. i saw him and he looks sick, but ive seen this year in and year out.. outrageously high bids rarely work out to the teams benefit.

there will be a new flavor of the month any time now and you have just drastically decreased any chances you had in getting any more "high ticket" players, as your competition, i say thank you.

[Captain Hook]

i dont get bids over 350ish for anyone. starting pitchers when they are at their best give you help in 4 catergories. this guy will help in only 3 and thats if nobody figures him out. i saw him and he looks sick, but ive seen this year in and year out.. outrageously high bids rarely work out to the teams benefit.

there will be a new flavor of the month any time now and you have just drastically decreased any chances you had in getting any more "high ticket" players, as your competition, i say thank you.

Exactly WHICH high ticket players do you suddenly expect to arrive in a mixed league? And five plus months of Fernandez versus ? months of Joe Unknown argue it's not as bad an investment as you suggest.

Perhaps only leagues where Wil Myers or Oscar Taveras weren't drafted does the hoarding have a chance of being a better investment

[Hells Satans]

i dont get bids over 350ish for anyone. starting pitchers when they are at their best give you help in 4 catergories. this guy will help in only 3 and thats if nobody figures him out. i saw him and he looks sick, but ive seen this year in and year out.. outrageously high bids rarely work out to the teams benefit.

there will be a new flavor of the month any time now and you have just drastically decreased any chances you had in getting any more "high ticket" players, as your competition, i say thank you.

Exactly WHICH high ticket players do you suddenly expect to arrive in a mixed league? And five plus months of Fernandez versus ? months of Joe Unknown argue it's not as bad an investment as you suggest.

Perhaps only leagues where Wil Myers or Oscar Taveras weren't drafted does the hoarding have a chance of being a better investment

I agree with you (spent $400 on him in one ME League) and I don't agree with you (didn't get him in any others).

There may not be a better single player available in FA this year (at least not one that is supposed to better) but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to spend $400 or $600 or $700 on him. Losing the ability to really manage your roster effectively by April 15th is a big deal. Getting outmanuevered for double start weeks in September hurts. Not being able to play closer-FAAB-roulette could cost you a league. For the right team, it absolutely can make sense. For most teams, my guess is that it probably doesn't.

[swampass]

i dont get bids over 350ish for anyone. starting pitchers when they are at their best give you help in 4 catergories. this guy will help in only 3 and thats if nobody figures him out. i saw him and he looks sick, but ive seen this year in and year out.. outrageously high bids rarely work out to the teams benefit.

there will be a new flavor of the month any time now and you have just drastically decreased any chances you had in getting any more "high ticket" players, as your competition, i say thank you.

Exactly WHICH high ticket players do you suddenly expect to arrive in a mixed league? And five plus months of Fernandez versus ? months of Joe Unknown argue it's not as bad an investment as you suggest.

Perhaps only leagues where Wil Myers or Oscar Taveras weren't drafted does the hoarding have a chance of being a better investment

dont know why you have to be a dick about it. how long have you played in this contest? how many times do injuries happen and teams who have drafted the myers, taveras, cole, arenado, etc etc etc of the world have to drop them in order to fill holes? how many times have unknown rookies come up to bigs and be great players? how about starting pitchers who are coming back from TJ who nobody drafted? and are you saying that there are no interesting 7th or 8th inning guys who would make great closers if only a trade or injury occurs? ive played for 7 years and it happens every year, but i guess you were just so excited to give me the smack down you didnt think for more than 2 seconds you douchebag.

[CALI CARTEL]

versus ? months of Joe Unknown

You mean Jose Fernandez?

[Captain Hook]

i dont get bids over 350ish for anyone. starting pitchers when they are at their best give you help in 4 catergories. this guy will help in only 3 and thats if nobody figures him out. i saw him and he looks sick, but ive seen this year in and year out.. outrageously high bids rarely work out to the teams benefit.

there will be a new flavor of the month any time now and you have just drastically decreased any chances you had in getting any more "high ticket" players, as your competition, i say thank you.

Exactly WHICH high ticket players do you suddenly expect to arrive in a mixed league? And five plus months of Fernandez versus ? months of Joe Unknown argue it's not as bad an investment as you suggest.

Perhaps only leagues where Wil Myers or Oscar Taveras weren't drafted does the hoarding have a chance of being a better investment

I agree with you (spent $400 on him in one ME League) and I don't agree with you (didn't get him in any others).

There may not be a better single player available in FA this year (at least not one that is supposed to better) but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to spend $400 or $600 or $700 on him. Losing the ability to really manage your roster effectively by April 15th is a big deal. Getting outmanuevered for double start weeks in September hurts. Not being able to play closer-FAAB-roulette could cost you a league. For the right team, it absolutely can make sense. For most teams, my guess is that it probably doesn't.

I agree that spending more than half your money will severely restrict team management.
I don't think that a $300-400 bid would cripple a good manager

[DOUGHBOYS]

I would be SO screwed if that $1,000 were real money.
That's more than 200 bags of Doritos.
200!

[rockitsauce]

dont know why you have to be a dick about it. how long have you played in this contest? how many times do injuries happen and teams who have drafted the myers, taveras, cole, arenado, etc etc etc of the world have to drop them in order to fill holes? how many times have unknown rookies come up to bigs and be great players? how about starting pitchers who are coming back from TJ who nobody drafted? and are you saying that there are no interesting 7th or 8th inning guys who would make great closers if only a trade or injury occurs? ive played for 7 years and it happens every year, but i guess you were just so excited to give me the smack down you didnt think for more than 2 seconds you douchebag.

calm down

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