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Post by dlongood » Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:50 am

Is the NFBC really better off with this new rule?? I don't think so. I'd like others to weigh in. My view.



1) You cannot set your lineup early in the week and leave the weekends for other pursuits.



2) You cannot see a whole week's schedule on one screen, for purposes of dertermining the matchups, the 2 start and 7 game players.



3) You have to set your lineup twice a week instead of once.



4) You are required to check news on Friday (at a minimum)in case players are put on the DL that day.



Are there ANY advantages?



You effectively double the effort required to manage your team. For what net gain?



The game was fine before-Injuries are part of life-getting 2 or 4 or even 6 more games for a few players creates more effort to manage your team and adds verrrrry little to the overall fairness of the game or its actual results

I'd ask Greg and or staff to count how many times a player is actually put on the DL on Monday. I have provided the link--My guess is statistically there is zero difference.



http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/trans ... 05&month=1



The real issue is whether we want a contest that is FUN and reasonably fair that is cognizant of the fact that we have lives to live.



Please consdier going back to the old rule next year.

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Post by JohnZ » Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:07 am

Originally posted by dlongood:

Is the NFBC really better off with this new rule?? I don't think so. I'd like others to weigh in. My view.



1) You cannot set your lineup early in the week and leave the weekends for other pursuits.



2) You cannot see a whole week's schedule on one screen, for purposes of dertermining the matchups, the 2 start and 7 game players.



3) You have to set your lineup twice a week instead of once.



4) You are required to check news on Friday (at a minimum)in case players are put on the DL that day.



Are there ANY advantages?



You effectively double the effort required to manage your team. For what net gain?



The game was fine before-Injuries are part of life-getting 2 or 4 or even 6 more games for a few players creates more effort to manage your team and adds verrrrry little to the overall fairness of the game or its actual results

I'd ask Greg and or staff to count how many times a player is actually put on the DL on Monday. I have provided the link--My guess is statistically there is zero difference.



http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/trans ... 05&month=1



The real issue is whether we want a contest that is FUN and reasonably fair that is cognizant of the fact that we have lives to live.



Please consdier going back to the old rule next year. The only problem with the rule is that everyone does not understand it. :confused:



I just tried to change my lineup and got what I expected:



You tried to submit an invalid lineup - it was not saved.

You cannot make changes to your weekend lineup unless you are benching a player who is on the official MLB DL





So...... it'll take two seconds to view your lineup screen, look for the stats red "DL" symbol, and make a change. No symbol, no change.

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Post by eddiejag » Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:08 pm

Listen it will take a little time to get use to it , but if your the guy with nomar , or any other player that goes on the dl on a monday , it does help to not miss 7 games. Picking up 3 games can make up a big difference , especially if you have a good bench.Thats a good think.
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Post by Walla Walla » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:03 pm

UFS, You left out it has to be the same position replaced as the DL player. So if you had the foresight to pick the right bench player for the one who got hurt your all right. If not you lose for that week. It really isn't a fair rule. Just adding more luck to the game. Which I guess from a marketing standpoint they want to do.

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Post by PittIsIt95 » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:29 pm

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

UFS, You left out it has to be the same position replaced as the DL player. So if you had the foresight to pick the right bench player for the one who got hurt your all right. If not you lose for that week. It really isn't a fair rule. Just adding more luck to the game. Which I guess from a marketing standpoint they want to do. Do you honestly have ANYTHING better to do than constantly posting negative comments. PLEASE do us all a favor and save your DONATION next year (and yes it will be a donation this year if it reflects on last seasons performance) by NOT COMING BACK. Why would one play in a contest that they have nothing good to say about. Or maybe you have anger inside and you decided to take it out on a contest that is well run and well liked by 99% of the people participating. Just zip your lip already, it is getting old... :eek:

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Post by Walla Walla » Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:59 pm

LOL! Are you kidding me? Are that sick that you hang on what I say so you can respond to it? Are you sooo sick that you think I can't say something that you don't agree with? Your type is a joke and always will be! I pay, I play, I post, I live in America!!!

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Post by sportsbettingman » Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:15 pm

It's one step closer to daily roster moves...so that part of me doesn't like it.



I believe it rewards those with bench spots that backup risky players.



I wonder how few people called for this move.



Weekly changes in a game that lasts so darn long...is reasonable.



Remove all the luck...and you will have 10 people playing each other...not 300+...with every perceived "Luck" part of the game you remove...you also remove tradition, freedom and fun.



If you wish to clamp down on every perceived "unfair/luck/unequal" aspect of the game that has been super fun and successful for over 30 years...you risk altering the game to the point that it becomes not worth the effort.



Just because you are vocal, and logical, and adamant on an issue...you are just ONE paying customer...it's not about just YOU...for every hard core paying customer...there may be 20 lazy or rich dudes...you are trying to gain a minimal advantage...and putting at risk the entire herd of easier prey!



Don't whine your way to the extinction of this GAME because you had to put up a few bucks more than your local league.



If you wish to organize a challenge of experts...go for it...the money would be horrible. If you want to make big money...you need the dead money/easy money...think about it.



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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:45 am

Originally posted by dlongood:

Is the NFBC really better off with this new rule?? I don't think so. I'd like others to weigh in. My view.



1) You cannot set your lineup early in the week and leave the weekends for other pursuits.



2) You cannot see a whole week's schedule on one screen, for purposes of dertermining the matchups, the 2 start and 7 game players.



3) You have to set your lineup twice a week instead of once.



4) You are required to check news on Friday (at a minimum)in case players are put on the DL that day.



Are there ANY advantages?



You effectively double the effort required to manage your team. For what net gain?



The game was fine before-Injuries are part of life-getting 2 or 4 or even 6 more games for a few players creates more effort to manage your team and adds verrrrry little to the overall fairness of the game or its actual results

I'd ask Greg and or staff to count how many times a player is actually put on the DL on Monday. I have provided the link--My guess is statistically there is zero difference.



http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/trans ... 05&month=1



The real issue is whether we want a contest that is FUN and reasonably fair that is cognizant of the fact that we have lives to live.



Please consdier going back to the old rule next year. David, I respect your opinions, but I don't think you have all the facts straight. The rule change doesn't mean you have to sit in front of your computer all week and set your starting lineup twice a week. The same old rules apply where you set your lineup on Monday and watch your team accumulate stats. Here's my thoughts, for what they're worth:



1) Yes you can. If you have a player in your starting lineup officially go on the DL on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday, you have the chance to replace him if one of your reserves makes your roster legal again. I doubt you'll need to surf the net to know that Nomar or Sabathia just went on the DL.



2) I can talk to STATS about this.



3) Not true. Your starting lineup is set for the whole week.



4) The DL deadline is midnight on Thursday. Players won't be added on Friday to make these moves.



Again, the advantage is for teams who just had Nomar go on the DL. If they have a middle infielder or corner infielder on their reserve, they can now put him in their starting lineup on Friday and get three games worth of stats. Maybe that's a bad thing, but I think it will take one minute of that owner's time to make this move and it's fair for everyone. But maybe I'm wrong.



This move also means you need to manage your reserve rosters with some insight. Guys who qualify at multiple positions have a little more value now.



Your thoughts are well taken and we'll see how this plays out. But all new changes take time to get used to and this one will NOT result in twice the time management to run your team.
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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:48 am

Originally posted by Walla Walla:

UFS, You left out it has to be the same position replaced as the DL player. So if you had the foresight to pick the right bench player for the one who got hurt your all right. If not you lose for that week. It really isn't a fair rule. Just adding more luck to the game. Which I guess from a marketing standpoint they want to do. I'd have to agree with J.T., John, these posts are getting old and tired. You are correct, you need foresight to have players on your reserve who qualify at multiple positions to take advantage of this rule. It's a fair rule that adds skill to the game, not luck. And I definitely didn't institute this rule for marketing purposes.
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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:51 am

Originally posted by sportsbettingman:

It's one step closer to daily roster moves...so that part of me doesn't like it.

Sorry Lance, the NFBC main event will NEVER move to daily roster moves. Maybe there will be a satellite league or side event that has daily roster moves before I die or retire (I hope I retire first), but not in the main event. We will grow the main event with our current rules structure and continue to grow each year going forward.
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Post by viper » Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:23 am

In fact, you don't really need to change your lineup for the entire seson if you feel so inclined. Lineups carry over from one week to the next.



As it was said, make a quick look on Thursday and see if you have any active players with a red DL. This week's DLed players are Nomar and CC plus later today, a decision on Lugo will be made. There are probbaly others but these are the most noteable ones that were/may be DLed this week after the season began.

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Post by Spyhunter » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:40 am

Originally posted by dlongood:

Is the NFBC really better off with this new rule?? I don't think so. I'd like others to weigh in. My view.



1) You cannot set your lineup early in the week and leave the weekends for other pursuits.



2) You cannot see a whole week's schedule on one screen, for purposes of dertermining the matchups, the 2 start and 7 game players.



3) You have to set your lineup twice a week instead of once.



4) You are required to check news on Friday (at a minimum)in case players are put on the DL that day.



Are there ANY advantages?



You effectively double the effort required to manage your team. For what net gain?



The game was fine before-Injuries are part of life-getting 2 or 4 or even 6 more games for a few players creates more effort to manage your team and adds verrrrry little to the overall fairness of the game or its actual results

I'd ask Greg and or staff to count how many times a player is actually put on the DL on Monday. I have provided the link--My guess is statistically there is zero difference.



http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/trans ... 05&month=1



The real issue is whether we want a contest that is FUN and reasonably fair that is cognizant of the fact that we have lives to live.



Please consdier going back to the old rule next year. I am sorry but I cannot disagree more!



switching out dl players on friday is very good!!!! never go back please greg!

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Post by Hangtown » Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:54 am



switching out dl players on friday is very good!!!! never go back please greg! Of course you wouldn't want to go back, you drafted Garciapara... LOL





This rule only helps those that drafted players that are "injury risks"!!!



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Post by Chest Rockwell » Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:03 am

Just because you are vocal, and logical, and adamant on an issue...you are just ONE paying customer...it's not about just YOU...for every hard core paying customer...there may be 20 lazy or rich dudes...you are trying to gain a minimal advantage...and putting at risk the entire herd of easier prey!



I find it somewhat ironic that the guy who posts his views on the subject more than anyone reminds us that everyone only has one vote.



Lance I have played against you directly for a year, and have seen you FAAB over 100 bucks on Juan Gonzalez unopposed. I definitely understand after that year why you would want to keep the luck element involved as much as possible.

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Post by Jackstraw » Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:45 am

Gone are the days when you look on the discussion boards and there are dozens of new posts about interesting things, like what is better: drafting by stats or scouting...



Why?



It's like when Bush said "Let's go to war with Iraq. Why? 'Cause they suck, that's why."



Everyone in the country who disagreed with Bush was criticized and labeled "unpatriotic."



Can't people just complain and give their opinion, either right or wrong. Walla's right... This is America and we can say what we want.



Myself, personally I don't like the rule and I don't remember ever getting a chance to vote on it. I think I've earned that right(actually paid for it), too. I'm at $7500 for my third year. I think Gekko and all of the Leaderboard guys have paid the same amount. My interest is just as valuable as anyone else's. Maybe even more valuable since I keep losing and keep on coming back for more. Who knows, maybe I did have a chance to vote and I didn't come here to see it. On the other hand, why come in here and read anything anymore?



Greg, honestly, too many of these guys suck up to you and Tom. It almost sickening. I like you guys. Every correspondence we have ever had has been dealt with in a most amiable way. And, you guys run a topnotch operation. But I do agree with a lot of people that I have talked to, there does seem to be a lot of leaning towards the marketing end of it. Again, my opinion... My opinion doesn't change the fact that you need to make money and make this grow. What a lot of people in here don't realize is that you have to make some concessions to the "market" so that the NFBC survives. That's understandable from my side of it, but please don't ever stop listening to us, 'cause we ain't the market anymore... We're the customers!



For all of you guys that love to poke at the new guys and say "rookie mistake." We were all rookies at one time or another. For all of you guys that jump up to defend Greg whenever someone posts a complaint about the game, remember you are helping to undo the job that Greg has done. He has to make all of the customers happy; respect him and help to make the game grow by keeping customers happy. Finally, controversial debate and the airing of opinions is the American way. Baseball is American. So are apple pie and Chevrolet. If we get rid of the things that make us Americans, eventually baseball will go away too... And then we won't have a game for us to fantasize about.



Somebody please send me an email whenever we decide to talk about the game in here and not crap. Also, can someone please notify me when something that changes the rules is brought up in here so that I can give my vote on it. I doubt that I am going to spend much time on the messageboards.
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Post by Joe Sambito » Thu Apr 06, 2006 7:46 am

Lance,



After your MASH unit roster last year, I figured you would embrace this slight rule change. Unless of course your 7 reserve spots are all injured guys as well. :D
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Post by Cooperstown » Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:15 am

Most of the rules change proposals the past 2 years have me not really caring all that much. Some I liked a little bit, others I didn't like that much. Whether one got implemented or didn't get implemented wouldn't have mattered to me and I would still compete. I can play this game within most any parameters and enjoy the heck out of it.



This mid week transaction rule was a lot like that for me at first. But I thought about something that makes me not like it at all.



What if you have Todd Jones on your team, and he's on the DL. And you have a SP like Lowe with 2 starts, in Colorado on Monday and home vs. AZ on Sunday. So you activate Jones for Lowe before the Sunday deadline, then on Friday you activate Lowe for Jones. You now have a way to get a good start from a SP that has 2 starts with 1 in Mile High.



As much as I kind of like this mid week transactions rule, the potential abuse is just too much of a negative.

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Post by Corkedbats » Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:31 am

switching out dl players on friday is very good!!!! never go back please greg! [/QB][/quote]


spy,

You need that because the guys you draft Sosa's , McGwire, Lofton, Prior- are always hurt. What league are you in? I need a good laugh.



Regarding the dl rule, why not take it step further and allow a team to reserve a knowingly hurt player (ie) bobby crosby, lugo etc? why wait for the OFFICAL DL? Some guys actually miss more time nursing an injury on the bench than they do going on the dl.



my 2 cents



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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:52 am

Originally posted by Corkedbats:

switching out dl players on friday is very good!!!! never go back please greg! spy,

You need that because the guys you draft Sosa's , McGwire, Lofton, Prior- are always hurt. What league are you in? I need a good laugh.



Regarding the dl rule, why not take it step further and allow a team to reserve a knowingly hurt player (ie) bobby crosby, lugo etc? why wait for the OFFICAL DL? Some guys actually miss more time nursing an injury on the bench than they do going on the dl.



my 2 cents



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No thanks on that proposal. Guys get hurt all the time and miss games, which is part of the game. Guys going on the DL is part of the game, too, but we're just trying to allow teams a chance to get some production out of a position where a guy went on the DL early in the week.



As far as me playing favorites on the Message Boards with this, I don't really remember any one NFBC owner pushing for this proposal. It was something I thought made sense to deal with injuries that happen early in the week. Time will tell if I was right with this or not, but Garciaparra getting hurt on Sunday and landing on the DL late Monday is a perfect example of how this can work. Again, we'll see.
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Post by Spyhunter » Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:48 am

Corked Bats (all others should skip). I have been asking for you for a year to act in an adult manner towards me. I don't know WTF your issue is with me but I am sick of your crap. When u grow up and want to use adult level communications, I will respond to you



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Post by Moneymaker » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:08 am

This new rule is a big improvement! It's already going to prove useful to me as Lugo has officially hit the DL. Great job, Greg, Tom, and Company. You've hit 2 homeruns: KDS and Friday DL-only roster moves.
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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:50 am

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Post by DOUGHBOYS » Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:56 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by coops:

Most of the rules change proposals the past 2 years have me not really caring all that much. Some I liked a little bit, others I didn't like that much. Whether one got implemented or didn't get implemented wouldn't have mattered to me and I would still compete. I can play this game within most any parameters and enjoy the heck out of it.



This mid week transaction rule was a lot like that for me at first. But I thought about something that makes me not like it at all.



What if you have Todd Jones on your team, and he's on the DL. And you have a SP like Lowe with 2 starts, in Colorado on Monday and home vs. AZ on Sunday. So you activate Jones for Lowe before the Sunday deadline, then on Friday you activate Lowe for Jones. You now have a way to get a good start from a SP that has 2 starts with 1 in Mile High.



As much as I kind of like this mid week transactions rule, the potential abuse is just too much of a negative.
[/QUOTE]Greg, I am of the understanding that this rule is only for players put on the DL on Mon-Thurs of the current week, correct? That would alleviate the two start loophole if that is the case.
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Post by Greg Ambrosius » Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:01 am

Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote:Originally posted by DOUGHBOYS:

quote: [/QUOTE]Greg, I am of the understanding that this rule is only for players put on the DL on Mon-Thurs of the current week, correct? That would alleviate the two start loophole if that is the case. [/QB][/QUOTE]Yes. This owner is suggesting that a pitcher would have a two-start week and one of those would be in Colorado. So he strategically puts a DL guy in his starting lineup early in the week while that pitcher is in Colorado and then puts the DL guy on reserve and activates the healthy pitcher, who now has one start outside of Coors Field. That scenario is possible, but then again anything is possible if you think long enough. But yes, you can put a DL player in your starting lineup on Monday and move a reserve into your starting lineup on Friday if that makes sense to you.



Good luck to all of you who unfortunately had a player land on the disabled list after Monday's lineups were set.
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Post by Walla Walla » Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:02 am

George, Thanks.



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