Fielder at 1B and CI

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:34 am

Can Fielder be played at 1B and CI? The system seems to say that is OK.

eddiejag · Post by **eddiejag** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:21 am

Just heard on weei boston two reports on co co crisp , 1st out a month with a hand promblem, 2nd , did even more damage to the hand and could be out 6 to 8 weeks.

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:39 am

Eddie,

Heard the same news. That sucks! The Sox will be fine though. My favorite dirt dog, Trot Nixon, is going to step up huge this year.

Go Sox!

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:50 am

Originally posted by eddiejag:

Just heard on weei boston two reports on co co crisp , 1st out a month with a hand promblem, 2nd , did even more damage to the hand and could be out 6 to 8 weeks. Great news for all the Wily Mo Pena owners out there. The Crisp injury, plus four lefty opponents this week, should make for a good week...

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:58 am

Originally posted by Plymouth:

Can Fielder be played at 1B and CI? The system seems to say that is OK. He is Utility only until he plays 10 games at first base, which should happen soon.

rob276 · Post by **rob276** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:17 am

Greg,

This needs to be looked at because he is being used as a CI in my league NY3. If he is only eligible at DH he should not be allowed to receive points at CI and something should be done about those points already accrued.

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:12 am

Originally posted by rob276:

Greg,

This needs to be looked at because he is being used as a CI in my league NY3. If he is only eligible at DH he should not be allowed to receive points at CI and something should be done about those points already accrued. He is not eligible at CI or 1B and STATS has locked him in at Utility only for this week again, just like he was last week. Make sure to check your lineups this week before today's first game because Fielder is NOT eligible at 1B or CI.

rob276 · Post by **rob276** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:30 am

Greg,

FYI, Fielder was not locked in at UTIL only last week because the team in my league that owns him had him playing at the CI position.

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:05 am

I agree that he was not locked in UT. I was able to move him to 1B and CI but decided to keep him at UT to play it above board. Teams that played him at anything other then UT to this point should not get those points.

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:27 am

Originally posted by Plymouth:

I agree that he was not locked in UT. I was able to move him to 1B and CI but decided to keep him at UT to play it above board. Teams that played him at anything other then UT to this point should not get those points. Prince F. was allowed to play 1B and CI last week. Ultimate League 1 this occured too!! Even though he had a bad week this allowed the owner to use Brandon Inge at UTIL where he may of not started if Fielder was UTIL only. Inge had 2hrs and hit .320 so this type of small mistake can make a difference in the standings. I remember how tight the utlimate was decided last year.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:01 am

Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

Prince F. was allowed to play 1B and CI last week. Ultimate League 1 this occured too!! I remember how tight the utlimate was decided last year. what?!? if this is true, this is clearly unacceptable.

there have been a number of SNAFU's on STATS website. each week, there seems to be more found.

i don't think this is an unreasonable question, but what assurance can Greg/Tom/STATS give to us (the consumers)that:

**the stats that should count ARE counting,

**the stats that should NOT count are NOT counting,

**the players whose elgibility is UTIL are NOT being played at 1B or CI,

**batters are classified as batters (not pitchers) and they are getting their hitting stats, etc...

[ April 10, 2006, 01:01 PM: Message edited by: Gordon Gekko ]

Chest Rockwell · Post by **Chest Rockwell** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:07 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

quote:Originally posted by Red Sox Nation:

Prince F. was allowed to play 1B and CI last week. Ultimate League 1 this occured too!! I remember how tight the utlimate was decided last year. what?!? if this is true, this is clearly unacceptable.

there have been a number of SNAFU's on STATS website. each week, there seems to be more found.

i don't think this is an unreasonable question, but what assurance can Greg/Tom/STATS give to us (the consumers)that:

**the stats that should count ARE counting,

**the stats that should NOT count are NOT counting,

**the players whose elgibility is UTIL are NOT being played at 1B or CI,

**batters are classified as batters (not pitchers) and they are getting their hitting stats, etc... [/QUOTE]IMO Stats was more than up to the challenge last year for a contest with this much money on the line. Yeah there were problems but overall I thought they were great.

The problems this year are very troubling, this is not the time for Walla Walla to make an I told you so post either. Lets call it what it is concerning and a trend no one wants to continue.

Red Sox Nation · Post by **Red Sox Nation** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:23 am

[/qb][/QUOTE]IMO Stats was more than up to the challenge last year for a contest with this much money on the line. Yeah there were problems but overall I thought they were great.

The problems this year are very troubling, this is not the time for Walla Walla to make an I told you so post either. Lets call it what it is concerning and a trend no one wants to continue. [/QB][/quote]

I agree!

I specifically stayed away from Fielder due to his eligibity. I drafted Big Papi with my #1 pick so I deemed Fielder undraftable because I didn't want to have him sit on the bench for 2 weeks. If I would of known he could play 1B in week 1 that may have changed things. This is serious stuff. We all know Fielder had a bad week but who are the other players who got to start because of this (Inge in my league) that may have been on the bench in Fielder was UTIL.

Gordon Gekko · Post by **Gordon Gekko** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:27 am

Originally posted by Chest Rockwell:

The problems this year are very troubling, this is not the time for Walla Walla to make an I told you so post either. Lets call it what it is concerning and a trend no one wants to continue. i'm sure it's not this way, but it sure feels like we are beta testing the stats site.

Mr. LBN - Jeff Price · Post by **Mr. LBN - Jeff Price** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:27 am

Regardless of the magnitude, an unfair advantage has been gained through an action that is not in accordance with the rules. One could argue that there should be some sort of punishment for the violating owners - owners who either failed to confirm an inconsistency between a known rule and a systems' flaw or intentionally took advantage of the flaw.

At the very least, anyone who used Fielder at a CI spot should not be allowed to count those games toward his 10 eligibility. His value at draft time was slightly diminished because of NFBC's stated eligibility. If this needs to be managed manually through communication with Fielder owners, so be it.

[ April 10, 2006, 01:28 PM: Message edited by: Mr. LBN - Jeff Price ]

King of Queens · Post by **King of Queens** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:49 am

Originally posted by Gordon Gekko:

i don't think this is an unreasonable question, but what assurance can Greg/Tom/STATS give to us (the consumers)that:

**the stats that should count ARE counting,

**the stats that should NOT count are NOT counting,

**the players whose elgibility is UTIL are NOT being played at 1B or CI,

**batters are classified as batters (not pitchers) and they are getting their hitting stats, etc... I'll agree with all of these. If we can't trust in STATS to be accurate, we have a serious problem on our hands.

Hey, on a positive note, it appears that the hitting stats of pitchers are not counting. Jorge Sosa hit a home run for the Braves last week, but it did not count for my team. Then again, given my team's dismal performance thus far, I could have used that HR

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:04 am

Okay, here's the official statement on this:

STATS was aware that Fielder was Utility eligible before Opening Day, but somehow he became 1B/CI eligible before Week 1's lineups were due. I was not aware of that before this was brought up today, but we will rectify this immediately.

STATS can track which leagues he was used at 1B and CI and those teams will NOT be allowed to use him at 1B/CI again until he plays 10 games from today on at first base. So he will be Utility eligible only for at least Weeks 2 and 3. This is important because Fielder's value did go down slightly on Draft Day because he was Utility only eligible. All Week 2 lineups have him eligible ONLY at UT.

I apologize for this and I thank you guys for bringing this to my attention. I track the leagues, but I don't track every roster and I was unaware that Fielder was allowed at 1B/CI in Week 1. That DEFINITELY was not supposed to happen.

As for the SP designation, I have no idea why some hitters had that designation next to them, but it has been removed. I can't even provide an alibi for that one.

Live scoring is always intermittent and hopefully it will improve as the season moves on. I'd like to have live standings, too, and in time hopefully our stat provider will have that in the future. For now, it's not available or we'd add it.

As for the statistics being accurate, show me any stats that aren't up to snuff and we'll immediately look into it. As of now, we're solving any glitches that we see and hopefully this will be the end of them. It's no fun for me when you question the validity of our stats or our contest.

(I had to use that not for the MB posters, but for my own good.)

Again, we'll solve this Fielder snafu and make sure the rules of the game are being followed. Those owners will have to adjust and we'll let them know via e-mail this week. Sorry everyone and we'll get this right going forward.

[ April 11, 2006, 08:24 AM: Message edited by: Greg Ambrosius ]

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:24 am

I think Krause needs to start putting some RISK CONTROLS in place or pay greater attention to position eligibility queries (ie Kinsler) in order to avoid these things occuring. As much as some of us may take some of these growing pains in stride, like myself, others may not...thus not return.

Just because Fielder will still have to play 10 games at UTIL, that doesn't mean this problem was properly corrected. Argubaly, up to 3 players could have impacted results: 1) Fielder, 2) whomever filled UTIL position in his place, and 3) whom filled the UTIL player's position if taken from another position (ie OF). Somehow I doubt the player filling the UTIL position would have been the CI whom Fiedler replaced in the CI or 1B postion. Although each team may have 4 deep in quantity, I doubt many teams were 4 deep in quality at 1B/3B/CI. For example, the team in my league had Fielder as the CI, Nix as the UTIL. Nix would not have played in the OF (based on this teams players), but Broussard would have had to play as the CI. This example was actually a negative impact to the team as Broussard had a better week than Nix. But that is just my league, and to be quite honest I am glad it was negative or I would been screaming.

This also allowed teams to let go of their 4th CI earlier than usual and go after greater team value. With this in mind, I would make sure all teams are aware that if and when Fielder goes back to UTIL, they may need to pick that 4th CI back up.

And shame on you managers who knew this was going on into the start of the season, played him at CI, and didn't bring this to someone's attention. Personally, I would ensure each and every one of you did not benefit from this. Where is your honesty and integrity guys!?!?!

[ April 10, 2006, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: nydownunder ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:35 am

Mark, you misread me. I am NOT passing the blame onto anyone. I should have checked to make sure Fielder was UT only eligible in Week 1. I didn't and thus missed that. So we'll make sure he's UT eligible for 10 games as the rules state. ALL my fault.

We're not passing the blame onto anyone, just trying to rectify the mistake as best we can. Same as when some of the players were entered wrongly after Draft Day; that was our fault, not STATS'.

nydownunder · Post by **nydownunder** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:37 am

I hear you Greg, thus edited the owenership piece. Still you've got some problems here.

[ April 10, 2006, 03:41 PM: Message edited by: nydownunder ]

Greg Ambrosius · Post by **Greg Ambrosius** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:11 am

For the record, seven NFBC teams had Fielder at 1B/CI during Week 1, of which three of those were in the main event and four were in the satellite leagues. All seven teams will now have to get 10 games out of Fielder starting today at first base before he can be moved to 1B/CI.

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:00 pm

I for one, in the past trusted the elgibility designations that the site allowed.. Fortunately I don't own fielder (feel he is overvalued for his risk / reward but that is another matter). I feel terrible for those owners who put him at non-util. They probably just assumed that he was elgible there... I wonder in the future if there is another mistake what will happen. Personally I think they should keep the stats as they were.

Spy

[ April 10, 2006, 07:02 PM: Message edited by: Spyhunter ]

Plymouth · Post by **Plymouth** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:43 pm

Originally posted by Greg Ambrosius:

Okay, here's the official statement on this:

STATS was aware that Fielder was Utility eligible before Opening Day, but somehow he became 1B/CI eligible before Week 1's lineups were due. I was not aware of that before this was brought up today, but we will rectify this immediately.

STATS can track which leagues he was used at 1B and CI and those teams will NOT be allowed to use him at 1B/CI again until he plays 10 games from today on at first base. So he will be Utility eligible only for at least Weeks 2 and 3. This is important because Fielder's value did go down slightly on Draft Day because he was Utility only eligible. All Week 2 lineups have him eligible ONLY at 1B/CI.

I apologize for this and I thank you guys for bringing this to my attention. I track the leagues, but I don't track every roster and I was unaware that Fielder was allowed at 1B/CI in Week 1. That DEFINITELY was not supposed to happen.

As for the SP designation, I have no idea why some hitters had that designation next to them, but it has been removed. I can't even provide an alibi for that one.

Live scoring is always intermittent and hopefully it will improve as the season moves on. I'd like to have live standings, too, and in time hopefully our stat provider will have that in the future. For now, it's not available or we'd add it.

As for the statistics being accurate, show me any stats that aren't up to snuff and we'll immediately look into it. As of now, we're solving any glitches that we see and hopefully this will be the end of them. It's no fun for me when you question the validity of our stats or our contest.

(I had to use that not for the MB posters, but for my own good.)

Again, we'll solve this Fielder snafu and make sure the rules of the game are being followed. Those owners will have to adjust and we'll let them know via e-mail this week. Sorry everyone and we'll get this right going forward. Greg, I am confused, what do you mean when you say that "All Week 2 lineups have him eligible ONLY at 1B/CI"? He is still not qualified to be 1B or CI in week 2, which is the week we are now playing. Those that used him at 1B and CI should not be able to use him except as a UT in weeks 3 and 4 correct?

Thanks, John

Spyhunter · Post by **Spyhunter** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:14 am

Why can't he be removed from lineups this week? it is only day 2 and there are only 7 lineups